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Disgusted with Trump administration - Part I

  • O-Trap
    superman;1865196 wrote:Good.
    Wait. I thought immigration was cool as long as it was legal and through the proper channels.

    Or was that never the sentiment, but it served as a convenient defense?
  • superman
    O-Trap;1866563 wrote:Wait. I thought immigration was cool as long as it was legal and through the proper channels.

    Or was that never the sentiment, but it served as a convenient defense?
    In cool with legal immigration but I also don't have a problem with reasonable limits. Tons of people want in, let's give preference to the best and brightest.
  • O-Trap
    jmog;1866544 wrote:Trump said that "We condemn in the strongest possible terms this egregious display of hatred, bigotry and violence, on many sides."

    So, he condemned the acts, called them bigots and racists, etc. He did not specifically name their group, is that your issue?

    Ivanka said the actual words you are apparently looking for in "There should be no place in society for racism, white supremacy and neo-nazis,"


    Neither downplayed this attack like last admin calling things "work place violence".

    I can see your point a little, that he should have specifically called out the white-nationalists by name, but he was still rather specific calling "this egregious display of hatred, bigotry and violence" directly referring to the incidents in Charlottsville like the car running into the crowd.
    I actually think you make a good case. Whether or not the president named them, he did refer to them specifically, and he did outrightly condemn their actions, calling them "hatred" and "bigotry."

    And I hadn't heard anything about Ivanka, but if that's a direct quote, it's pretty explicit as well.

    In any case, it certainly seemed clear enough for Duke to know who he was talking about ... and get butthurt about it:



    While the "on many sides" seems to be bothering people, it would seem like they're missing the forest for a single tree.

    He's still a shitty president, but I don't think his response here was particularly inappropriate.
  • iclfan2
    Are we forgetting that Obama never condemned the BLM for the guy shooting 5 cops in Texas? Or the fact that the media portrayed that guy as a lone wolf, but now all republicans are nazi's? Why is the alt-right conservative's problem, but Antifa gets a pass, and is not the left's responsibility? And why do they act like violence doesn't occur at almost every single Antifa or BLM event?

    The entire event in Charlotessville was bad, and was condemned across the board. But the portrayal that this is an alt-right problem only is ridiculous. Scalise getting shot by a Bernie supporter was out of the news in 3 days.
  • jmog
    O-Trap;1866568 wrote:I actually think you make a good case. Whether or not the president named them, he did refer to them specifically, and he did outrightly condemn their actions, calling them "hatred" and "bigotry."

    And I hadn't heard anything about Ivanka, but if that's a direct quote, it's pretty explicit as well.

    In any case, it certainly seemed clear enough for Duke to know who he was talking about ... and get butthurt about it:



    While the "on many sides" seems to be bothering people, it would seem like they're missing the forest for a single tree.

    He's still a shitty president, but I don't think his response here was particularly inappropriate.
    I agree with everything you said, even the last line.
  • gut
    iclfan2;1866569 wrote:Are we forgetting that Obama never condemned the BLM for the guy shooting 5 cops in Texas? Or the fact that the media portrayed that guy as a lone wolf, but now all republicans are nazi's? Why is the alt-right conservative's problem, but Antifa gets a pass, and is not the left's responsibility? And why do they act like violence doesn't occur at almost every single Antifa or BLM event?

    The entire event in Charlotessville was bad, and was condemned across the board. But the portrayal that this is an alt-right problem only is ridiculous. Scalise getting shot by a Bernie supporter was out of the news in 3 days.

    Exactly. I think Trump's words meant or implied that he was also referring to protest violence in general, which includes the "good protestors" the left loves....and that's why they got upset with Trump because big 'ol meanie said violence is unacceptable.
  • BoatShoes
    iclfan2;1866569 wrote:Are we forgetting that Obama never condemned the BLM for the guy shooting 5 cops in Texas? Or the fact that the media portrayed that guy as a lone wolf, but now all republicans are nazi's? Why is the alt-right conservative's problem, but Antifa gets a pass, and is not the left's responsibility? And why do they act like violence doesn't occur at almost every single Antifa or BLM event?

    The entire event in Charlotessville was bad, and was condemned across the board. But the portrayal that this is an alt-right problem only is ridiculous. Scalise getting shot by a Bernie supporter was out of the news in 3 days.
    Cognitive Dissonance in action.

    Obama directly called out the assailant in the Dallas shootings a member of the New Black Panthers - an extremist group the Southern Poverty Law Center LiBruLz correctly characterize as an anti-white and anti-semitic hate group - as "demented" while saying there was no possible justification for attacks on law enforcement and immediately ordered flags lowered to half-mast and canceled a planned overseas trip and went to Dallas - he didn't "blame all sides" or the police, etc.

    Compare that to Trump who didn't address the individual assailant but yet has time to individually attack the CEO of Merck for leaving his advisory board.


    People weren't even asking trump to condemn the alt-right - they were shocked he didn't address the individual criminal who killed people!
  • BoatShoes
    gut;1866580 wrote:Exactly. I think Trump's words meant or implied that he was also referring to protest violence in general, which includes the "good protestors" the left loves....and that's why they got upset with Trump because big 'ol meanie said violence is unacceptable.
    I think the point is that Trump is happy to attack individual people directly all the time but weirdly didn't even address the individual in this case. And, that is the take I've seen from the Conservatives who were never-trumpers.
  • CenterBHSFan
    BoatShoes;1866585 wrote:I think the point is that Trump is happy to attack individual people directly all the time but weirdly didn't even address the individual in this case.
    I don't consider anything that Trump does, at this point, as weird. After so many times it's actually just old hat lol
  • isadore
    Gosh a ruddies, it only took 48 hours for President Trump to figure out the KKK and Neo-Nazis were bad guys.
  • Spock
    isadore;1866633 wrote:Gosh a ruddies, it only took 48 hours for President Trump to figure out the KKK and Neo-Nazis were bad guys.
    you going to post this on every thread?
  • isadore
    Spock;1866638 wrote:you going to post this on every thread?
    It goes well with the subject of this thread, "Disgusted with the Trump Administration-Part I."
  • ppaw1999
    http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/us-government-demands-details-on-all-visitors-to-anti-trump-protest-website/ar-AAq7rGi?li=BBnb7Kz

    Big Brother is watching. I can imagine the out cry if this were done during the Obama administration. Two dysfunctional political parties and no end in sight. :(
  • iclfan2
    ppaw1999;1866728 wrote:http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/us-government-demands-details-on-all-visitors-to-anti-trump-protest-website/ar-AAq7rGi?li=BBnb7Kz

    Big Brother is watching. I can imagine the out cry if this were done during the Obama administration. Two dysfunctional political parties and no end in sight. :(
    That's ridiculous. If they have specific posters who were planning illegal things, then that is one thing, but this seems like a ridiculous broad overreach of the government.
  • Dr Winston O'Boogie
    iclfan2;1866569 wrote:Are we forgetting that Obama never condemned the BLM for the guy shooting 5 cops in Texas? Or the fact that the media portrayed that guy as a lone wolf, but now all republicans are nazi's? Why is the alt-right conservative's problem, but Antifa gets a pass, and is not the left's responsibility? And why do they act like violence doesn't occur at almost every single Antifa or BLM event?

    The entire event in Charlotessville was bad, and was condemned across the board. But the portrayal that this is an alt-right problem only is ridiculous. Scalise getting shot by a Bernie supporter was out of the news in 3 days.
    None of this is accurate at all.
  • iclfan2
    Dr Winston O'Boogie;1866745 wrote:None of this is accurate at all.
    None? Do tell. The only inaccuracy is that Obama may have condemned the BLM or whatever he was. Didn't see him having to condemn every march that blocked highways and got police and other people injured.
    Here is the founder of Vox calling all conservatives Nazis

    Or an article about white millennials being as racist as their grandparents, and using a 1,500 person march as evidence

    And here is a portion of an Antifa CNN fluff piece which even says that liberals are actually getting more OK with Antifa's actions.

    Also, here is an article about Obama condemning the guy in Texas, but never "had" to mention "black racism" (it is a right leaning site). I don't personally care that Obama didn't, but let's try to keep who has to condemn what equal for everyone.
    http://www.dailywire.com/news/19689/flashback-after-black-radical-massacred-dallas-james-barrett#
  • Dr Winston O'Boogie
    iclfan2;1866749 wrote:None? Do tell. The only inaccuracy is that Obama may have condemned the BLM or whatever he was. Didn't see him having to condemn every march that blocked highways and got police and other people injured.
    You said that Obama didn't condemn the guy in Texas - he did.
    You said that "the media" portrayed the Texas guy as a lone wolf. That is your opinion. Depending upon what sources I go to, I'm sure I could read the same thing about the guy from VA. I also recall plenty of coverage of the TX guy as representing the BLM movement.
    As for Obama not having to condemn every march blocking the highway, etc. - this is an opinion. Whatever Obama did or didn't do continually infuriated people who disagree with him (within and without the media). Whatever Trump does or doesn't do continually infuriates people who disagree with him (within or without the media).
  • queencitybuckeye
    Dr Winston O'Boogie;1866767 wrote:Whatever Obama did or didn't do continually infuriated people who disagree with him (within and without the media). Whatever Trump does or doesn't do continually infuriates people who disagree with him (within or without the media).
    That is every bit as much an opinion as the item you dismissed.
  • QuakerOats
    obama got a pass, everytime about anything, from the media


    Trump will never get a pass from the media, ever, about anything.


    Hope that helps.
  • like_that
    ppaw1999;1866728 wrote:http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/us-government-demands-details-on-all-visitors-to-anti-trump-protest-website/ar-AAq7rGi?li=BBnb7Kz

    Big Brother is watching. I can imagine the out cry if this were done during the Obama administration. Two dysfunctional political parties and no end in sight. :(
    Wait a second, the same people who are going out of their way to try and censor hate speech (some of which is very loosely defined "hate speech" might I add) are now upset that they are being targeted? LOL, you can't make this shit up.
  • Automatik
    Wasn't sure where to put this, but it's worth the watch.

    https://news.vice.com/story/vice-news-tonight-full-episode-charlottesville-race-and-terror
  • Heretic
    Statue enthusiasts!!!! L-O-FUCKING-L!!!!
  • Automatik
    This presser is a disaster. Holy fuck.
  • isadore
    gosh a ruddies, today must be one of the best days KKK and Neo Nazis, have had since Hitler died, thanks to President Trump. He made them victims. Save your Confederate money the Star and Bars fly high.
  • Fab4Runner
    Holy shit, fuck that guy.