2016 Election Thread
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Heretic
Think he was in Virginia recently?O-Trap;1867594 wrote:This sounds awful under the current circumstances. Anyone else agree with these sentiments? LOL -
O-Trap
Yikes!Heretic;1867597 wrote:Think he was in Virginia recently? -
like_that
Sometimes gut deserves the shit he gets, especially when he gets into his "I am smarter than everybody" routine. With that being said, I knew gut was intellectually honest and wasn't full blown team GOP.O-Trap;1867594 wrote:For those who call gut a Republican, this looks to be from back before Trump was in office. Just for the record ...
This sounds awful under the current circumstances. Anyone else agree with these sentiments? LOL
I recall gut numerous times saying he would vote for Hillary if it mattered in his state. I don't think voting for Hillary as the lesser of two evils makes you libertarian, but he definitely wasn't going all in on the GOP presidential candidate. -
like_that
Let's not get ridiculous.Heretic;1867597 wrote:Think he was in Virginia recently?
The furthest classy has stepped outside of Ohio is Detroit. -
O-Trap
Yeah, I get into it with gut from time to time, but he's definitely not a party-line Republican, which I saw him accused of being recently.like_that;1867601 wrote:Sometimes gut deserves the shit he gets, especially when he gets into his "I am smarter than everybody" routine. With that being said, I knew gut was intellectually honest and wasn't full blown team GOP.
I recall gut numerous times saying he would vote for Hillary if it mattered in his state. I don't think voting for Hillary as the lesser of two evils makes you libertarian, but he definitely wasn't going all in on the GOP presidential candidate. -
Heretic
lolrepslike_that;1867602 wrote:Let's not get ridiculous.
The furthest classy has stepped outside of Ohio is Detroit. -
gut
If you hadn't quoted Classy, I would have assumed that was a statement from one of the white supremacy demonstrators.O-Trap;1867594 wrote: This sounds awful under the current circumstances. Anyone else agree with these sentiments? LOL
As for "taking America back", the white working class may have been tired of being caught in the middle of the have's and have not's, but if you look at Trump's tax plan floating around it once again soaks the middle class. -
O-Trap
I'm hardly surprised at that, either.gut;1867608 wrote:If you hadn't quoted Classy, I would have assumed that was a statement from one of the white supremacy demonstrators.
As for "taking America back", the white working class may have been tired of being caught in the middle of the have's and have not's, but if you look at Trump's tax plan floating around it once again soaks the middle class. -
fish82
Pretty much everybody who doesn’t spend 24/7 foaming at the mouth over Trump gets accused of it on occasion.O-Trap;1867604 wrote:Yeah, I get into it with gut from time to time, but he's definitely not a party-line Republican, which I saw him accused of being recently. -
QuakerOatsShe has lost her mind:
September 26, 2017 1:37 pm
Hillary Clinton said Monday on Bloomberg News that President Donald Trump has "tendencies toward authoritarianism," adding that she hopes he has not "ordered the killing of people and journalists" as Russian President Vladimir Putin has been accused of doing.
During a conversation with Charlie Rose, she compared Trump to Russian President Vladimir Putin, whose relationship with Trump has particularly drawn scrutiny from Democrats and the media. Clinton discussed her ideas on Trump's view of democracy, saying she "hopes" the president is not exactly like Putin in every way.
"I don’t think he really values democracy, Charlie," Clinton said.
"He doesn’t value democracy? Rose asked. "So he’s not a ‘democrat,’ little ‘d?'"
Clinton replied, "No, he’s not, he’s a top-down guy."
"He’s an authoritarian?" Rose asked.
"He has tendencies toward authoritarianism," Clinton answered.
"So, he’s no different than Putin?" Rose asked.
Clinton did not say Trump was different from the Russian autocrat, instead saying he "hopefully" does not commit the same crimes as Putin.
"Well, hopefully he hasn’t ordered the killing of people and journalists and the like," Clinton replied.
Putin’s government uses strict regulation and state power to restrict press freedom, and reports have shown cases where journalists, who had been critical of the Russian leader, died under suspicious circumstances. Clinton may have been referring to stories published in outlets such as the New Yorker, New York Times, and National Review that assign guilt to Putin in those cases.
During her campaign, Clinton frequently took digs at Trump’s statements about Putin, in which he called for improved relations with Russia. Clinton tried to do the same thing as secretary of state in the Obama administration, but she has since moved from that dovish position.
Since losing the 2016 election, she has said Trump likely colluded with the Russians to win the presidential election.
"There certainly was communication and there certainly was an understanding of some sort," she said in an interview earlier in September.
Clinton’s appearance on "Charlie Rose" coincides with the recent release of her campaign book, What Happened. In the book, she called Trump a "creep" and described Russian involvement as a major reason why she unfairly lost the election. -
O-Trap
You think she's lost her mind? I think the exaggeration was intentional.QuakerOats;1873543 wrote:She has lost her mind:
September 26, 2017 1:37 pm
Hillary Clinton said Monday on Bloomberg News that President Donald Trump has "tendencies toward authoritarianism," adding that she hopes he has not "ordered the killing of people and journalists" as Russian President Vladimir Putin has been accused of doing.
During a conversation with Charlie Rose, she compared Trump to Russian President Vladimir Putin, whose relationship with Trump has particularly drawn scrutiny from Democrats and the media. Clinton discussed her ideas on Trump's view of democracy, saying she "hopes" the president is not exactly like Putin in every way.
"I don’t think he really values democracy, Charlie," Clinton said.
"He doesn’t value democracy? Rose asked. "So he’s not a ‘democrat,’ little ‘d?'"
Clinton replied, "No, he’s not, he’s a top-down guy."
"He’s an authoritarian?" Rose asked.
"He has tendencies toward authoritarianism," Clinton answered.
"So, he’s no different than Putin?" Rose asked.
Clinton did not say Trump was different from the Russian autocrat, instead saying he "hopefully" does not commit the same crimes as Putin.
"Well, hopefully he hasn’t ordered the killing of people and journalists and the like," Clinton replied.
Putin’s government uses strict regulation and state power to restrict press freedom, and reports have shown cases where journalists, who had been critical of the Russian leader, died under suspicious circumstances. Clinton may have been referring to stories published in outlets such as the New Yorker, New York Times, and National Review that assign guilt to Putin in those cases.
During her campaign, Clinton frequently took digs at Trump’s statements about Putin, in which he called for improved relations with Russia. Clinton tried to do the same thing as secretary of state in the Obama administration, but she has since moved from that dovish position.
Since losing the 2016 election, she has said Trump likely colluded with the Russians to win the presidential election.
"There certainly was communication and there certainly was an understanding of some sort," she said in an interview earlier in September.
Clinton’s appearance on "Charlie Rose" coincides with the recent release of her campaign book, What Happened. In the book, she called Trump a "creep" and described Russian involvement as a major reason why she unfairly lost the election.
However, as to Trump having tendencies toward authoritarianism ... she's not wrong on that. -
gut
The more and more we see how she's handling this....the clearer it is she was just as incapable/unqualified to be POTUS as Trump.O-Trap;1873546 wrote:You think she's lost her mind? I think the exaggeration was intentional.
However, as to Trump having tendencies toward authoritarianism ... she's not wrong on that. -
O-Trap
I agree. I just think it's her ethical composition that makes her so unqualified.gut;1873549 wrote:The more and more we see how she's handling this....the clearer it is she was just as incapable/unqualified to be POTUS as Trump.
Well, that and apparently her inability to competently handle classified information. -
CenterBHSFan
I'll add to your assertions the fact that if she couldn't go on stage and thank her supporters when she lost the election - like every other presidential loser has done - then I sure as hell don't want her to make tough decisions in the name of our country. And I won't even get into her other failings in her political life...O-Trap;1873557 wrote:I agree. I just think it's her ethical composition that makes her so unqualified.
Well, that and apparently her inability to competently handle classified information. -
gut
Because she hadn't even prepared a concession speech. Apparently enough concern to cancel the fireworks celebration, but not enough to prepare a speech.CenterBHSFan;1873568 wrote:I'll add to your assertions the fact that if she couldn't go on stage and thank her supporters when she lost the election - like every other presidential loser has done ...
Hillary's qualification/accomplishment and political career can be summed up pretty succinctly: she played the "woman card" on top of Bill's coattails. -
O-Trap
Yep. Good point. In that moment, she showed an absence of the statesmanship that essentially every other president and presidential candidate has shown in the modern era.CenterBHSFan;1873568 wrote:I'll add to your assertions the fact that if she couldn't go on stage and thank her supporters when she lost the election - like every other presidential loser has done - then I sure as hell don't want her to make tough decisions in the name of our country. And I won't even get into her other failings in her political life...
Good lord. What the hell did we get ourselves into this last election? -
Zunardo
Had a sudden flashback to the 2003 Fiesta Bowl reports that Miami had ordered a ton of champagne ahead of time for the post-game celebration after manhandling the Buckeyes, because they knew it was in the bag.gut;1873570 wrote:Because she hadn't even prepared a concession speech. Apparently enough concern to cancel the fireworks celebration, but not enough to prepare a speech.
Can you get a refund on both fireworks AND firewater? -
QuakerOats
She was already knee-deep in the Russia excuse and obviously hoped their manufactured story would bring Trump down before he took office. Silly girl.gut;1873570 wrote:Because she hadn't even prepared a concession speech. Apparently enough concern to cancel the fireworks celebration, but not enough to prepare a speech. -
QuakerOatsImagine that ....
WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange has offered to provide evidence that the Russian collusion narrative is false in exchange for a pardon from President Trump.
The president, apparently, has not yet gotten the message. On Saturday, President Trump told reporters that he has "never heard" of Assange's offer to make a deal.
Rep. Dana Rohrabacher (R-Calif.) told The Daily Caller that Trump is being blocked from knowing about the potential deal with Assange. “I think the president’s answer indicates that there is a wall around him that is being created by people who do not want to expose this fraud that there was collusion between our intelligence community and the leaders of the Democratic Party,” Rohrabacher said.
"The congressman spoke to chief of staff John Kelly two weeks ago about the potential deal with Assange," The Daily Caller reported. "The Wall Street Journal reported that Kelly told Rohrabacher to bring the information to the intelligence community."
“This would have to be a cooperative effort between his own staff and the leadership in the intelligence communities to try to prevent the president from making the decision as to whether or not he wants to take the steps necessary to expose this horrendous lie that was shoved down the American people’s throats so incredibly earlier this year,” Rohrabacher said.
Rohrabacher called the collusion narrative "a massive propaganda campaign" and "historic con job" meant to conceal the ideological conspiracy between the intelligence community and the Democrat party.
https://pjmedia.com/video/julian-assange-says-will-provide-evidence-russia-narrative-false-exchange-pardon/ -
fish82
Just entertained myself going back and reading the beginning of this thread. Zwick's Wednesday morning meltdown was especially lulzy.
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gutQuakerOats;1873997 wrote: WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange has offered to provide evidence that the Russian collusion narrative is false in exchange for a pardon from President Trump.
Not that I think there wasn't some seriously shady shit with the Obama administration....but I could see Assange playing/using Trump here. Assange has been saying this stuff for a while, without showing his evidence, and now all of a sudden he's attaching demands and conditions to it.
A lot of people - on both sides of the aisle - have very valid and defensible views that Assange belongs in prison for a long time. Presidential pardons really aren't supposed to be used for quid pro quo or to give someone a pass for breaking the law just because you like them.
Most likely, since Trump has already broken with the tradition of handing out pardons at the end of a term, they'll save this one for when they need a nice, big juicy distraction. -
Heretic
IMAGINE THAT! Imagine a guy saying "I'll provide evidence in your favor...IF you make it so I won't get in any trouble for anything I've done!!!"QuakerOats;1873997 wrote:Imagine that ....
WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange has offered to provide evidence that the Russian collusion narrative is false in exchange for a pardon from President Trump.
The president, apparently, has not yet gotten the message. On Saturday, President Trump told reporters that he has "never heard" of Assange's offer to make a deal.
Rep. Dana Rohrabacher (R-Calif.) told The Daily Caller that Trump is being blocked from knowing about the potential deal with Assange. “I think the president’s answer indicates that there is a wall around him that is being created by people who do not want to expose this fraud that there was collusion between our intelligence community and the leaders of the Democratic Party,” Rohrabacher said.
"The congressman spoke to chief of staff John Kelly two weeks ago about the potential deal with Assange," The Daily Caller reported. "The Wall Street Journal reported that Kelly told Rohrabacher to bring the information to the intelligence community."
“This would have to be a cooperative effort between his own staff and the leadership in the intelligence communities to try to prevent the president from making the decision as to whether or not he wants to take the steps necessary to expose this horrendous lie that was shoved down the American people’s throats so incredibly earlier this year,” Rohrabacher said.
Rohrabacher called the collusion narrative "a massive propaganda campaign" and "historic con job" meant to conceal the ideological conspiracy between the intelligence community and the Democrat party.
https://pjmedia.com/video/julian-assange-says-will-provide-evidence-russia-narrative-false-exchange-pardon/
Humorously, I was watching the episode of The Wire last night where Bunk is trying to find the lost gun of Dozerman and is talking to criminals in jail who are offering to help. This reminds me of the one guy who was like, "I might have something that'll help you...if you make some of these murders go away." When asked how many murders, he holds up four fingers. I laughed. I'm laughing even more now that I get to see the white-coller computer version of this going on! -
QuakerOatshttps://theintercept.com/2017/09/28/yet-another-major-russia-story-falls-apart-is-skepticism-permissible-yet/
Russia narrative continues to be lies -
gutgut;1822948 wrote:sooooooo.....any conspiracy theories yet of massive election hacking?
^^^^posted Nov 8th
LOL....I was joking!!! -
gut
It happens all the time, and it doesn't mean Assange is lying.Heretic;1874066 wrote:IMAGINE THAT! Imagine a guy saying "I'll provide evidence in your favor...IF you make it so I won't get in any trouble for anything I've done!!!"
However, when you're Julian Assange you don't get to leverage the "truth" for personal gain, because the "truth" is how you justified breaking the many laws you did. It just makes him a giant hypocrite, that's all.