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  • QuakerOats
    …..Toensing said she also possesses memos that recount how the Justice Department last year threatened her client when he attempted to file a lawsuit that could have drawn attention to the Russian corruption during the 2016 presidential race as well as helped him recover some of the money Russians stole from him through kickbacks during the FBI probe.

    The undercover client witnessed “a lot of bribery going on around the U.S.” but was asked by the FBI to sign a nondisclosure agreement (NDA) that prevents him from revealing what he knows to Congress, Toensing explained.

    When he tried to bring some of the allegations to light in the lawsuit last year, “the Obama Justice Department threatened him with loss of freedom. They said they would bring a criminal case against him for violating an NDA,” she added.

    Emails obtained by The Hill show that a civil attorney working with the former undercover witness described the pressure the Justice Department exerted to keep the client from disclosing to a federal court what he knew last summer.

    “The government was taking a very harsh position that threatened both your reputation and liberty,” the civil lawyer wrote in one email. In another, she added, “As you will recall the gov’t made serious threats sufficient to cause you to withdraw your civil complaint."
    As we pointed out last summer when Peter Schweizer first released his feature documentary Clinton Cash, the Uranium One deal at the center of this scandal is believed to have netted the Clintons and their Clinton Foundation millions of dollars in donations and 'speaking fees' from Uranium One shareholders and other Russian entities.



    Russian Purchase of US Uranium Assets in Return for $145mm in Contributions to the Clinton Foundation - Bill and Hillary Clinton assisted a Canadian financier, Frank Giustra, and his company, Uranium One, in the acquisition of uranium mining concessions in Kazakhstan and the United States. Subsequently, the Russian government sought to purchase Uranium One but required approval from the Obama administration given the strategic importance of the uranium assets. In the run-up to the approval of the deal by the State Department, nine shareholders of Uranium One just happened to make $145mm in donations to the Clinton Foundation. Moreover, theNew Yorker confirmed that Bill Clinton received $500,000 in speaking fees from a Russian investment bank, with ties to the Kremlin, around the same time. Needless to say, the State Department approved the deal giving Russia ownership of 20% of U.S. uranium assets
    Meanwhile, the 'journalists' over at CNN are still trying to get to the bottom of exactly who spent the $100,000 on Facebook ads...
    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-10-18/fbi-informant-says-he-was-threatened-after-offering-details-linking-clinton-foundati











    simply astounding bribery and money laundering. Please, bring on the RICO charges.
  • QuakerOats
    In short, Hillary couldn’t beat Trump with the political dirt she secretly purchased during the campaign, so she tried to cripple his presidency with help from an overwhelmingly anti-Trump media. Framing Trump as some sort of modern-day KGB plant was an easy sell, since the pro-Democrat media were also searching for a scapegoat to rationalize the crushing defeat of their shared liberal agenda at the polls.
    The irony is, it may have in fact been Hillary who came closer to colluding with the Russians in smearing Trump as a Russian traitor than anything Trump did in trying to beat Hillary. The information in the dossier she bought for millions came from Russian intelligence sources, and her lawyers brokered the deal with a Kremlin-tied lobbyist. When it failed to stop Trump, the Russia paymaster turned into the Russia spinmeister.
    Now we really know “What Happened.”

    http://nypost.com/2017/10/26/how-team-hillary-played-the-press-for-fools-on-russia/


  • ptown_trojans_1
    Manafort gets the spotlight, but nothing directly related to Trump or campaign in that one. Although, he was laundering money while on the campaign.
    Still, not a good look for the former campaign chief to the President of the United States to be indicted.

    But, this one, just unreleased, seems to be the bigger one and involves Russia.
    BREAKING: Court papers: Former Trump campaign aide George Papadopoulos pleads guilty to lying to FBI agents in Mueller probe.

    https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/4163402/Papadopoulos-Statement-Offense.pdf
  • QuakerOats
    Tony Podesta, the brother of Hillary Clinton's former campaign chairman, John Podesta, has resigned from his lobbying firm amid reports he is under scrutiny from Special Counsel Robert Mueller.

    More on this: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/10/30/brother-clinton-campaign-chair-steps-down-from-lobbying-firm-amid-reports-scrutiny-from-special-counsel.html
  • ptown_trojans_1
    QuakerOats;1879374 wrote:Tony Podesta, the brother of Hillary Clinton's former campaign chairman, John Podesta, has resigned from his lobbying firm amid reports he is under scrutiny from Special Counsel Robert Mueller.

    More on this: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/10/30/brother-clinton-campaign-chair-steps-down-from-lobbying-firm-amid-reports-scrutiny-from-special-counsel.html
    He is under scrutiny for his potential ties to Manafort.
    But, hey, maybe, maybe, this isn't all fake news and is really a huge complicated story line that we just need to see how it plays out before dismissing it.
  • gut
    ptown_trojans_1;1879402 wrote: But, hey, maybe, maybe, this isn't all fake news
    So just like 95% fake news then?
  • ptown_trojans_1
    gut;1879407 wrote:So just like 95% fake news then?
    I doubt it, but I really don't know, and neither do you.
    Point, let the Muller process play out and let's see where his investigation takes us.
  • like_that
    ptown_trojans_1;1879409 wrote:I doubt it, but I really don't know, and neither do you.
    Point, let the Muller process play out and let's see where his investigation takes us.
    Very ironic coming from you.
  • ptown_trojans_1
    like_that;1879410 wrote:Very ironic coming from you.
    Next time there is a Clinton conspiracy Special Council, let me know.
    That is what I am referring to. All the other Clinton stuff is hearsay and conspiracy.
  • like_that
    ptown_trojans_1;1879411 wrote:Next time there is a Clinton conspiracy Special Council, let me know.
    That is what I am referring to. All the other Clinton stuff is hearsay and conspiracy.
    As someone previously mentioned in this thread...

    "But, hey, maybe, maybe, this isn't all fake news and is really a huge complicated story line that we just need to see how it plays out before dismissing it."

    Not to mention every other spin you come up with. I stand by my comment. Your recent posts are very ironic coming from you.
  • gut
    ptown_trojans_1;1879411 wrote:Next time there is a Clinton conspiracy Special Council, let me know.
    Yes, Clinton is not as corrupt as Trump. Or maybe she's more corrupt. But I really don't know, and neither do you.
  • Spock
    ptown_trojans_1;1879327 wrote:Manafort gets the spotlight, but nothing directly related to Trump or campaign in that one. Although, he was laundering money while on the campaign.
    Still, not a good look for the former campaign chief to the President of the United States to be indicted.

    But, this one, just unreleased, seems to be the bigger one and involves Russia.
    BREAKING: Court papers: Former Trump campaign aide George Papadopoulos pleads guilty to lying to FBI agents in Mueller probe.

    https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/4163402/Papadopoulos-Statement-Offense.pdf
    you do realize that the george guy was trying to get someone to bite on his scheme and nobody took the bait? He was told to piss off. Likely a Dem plant in the campaign.
  • Spock
    ptown_trojans_1;1879409 wrote:I doubt it, but I really don't know, and neither do you.
    Point, let the Muller process play out and let's see where his investigation takes us.
    you mean an investigation that has unlimited scope and funds? THese investigations are BS and should be shut down due to the fact they have nothing in regards to why it was formed. COmpelte waste of money
  • gut
    I'm not sure this Papalopolus guy or however you spell his name will have much to offer. They probably had to indict SOMEONE, but we've been told Trump was not a target of the investigation and I'm not sure this is going to get it done.

    Manafort, despite unrelated charges, is probably the guy who can make life more difficult for Trump. The tax evasion stuff is usually almost a slap on the wrist, but the other stuff I assume is much more serious and with more jail time.

    Shocking that Flynn wasn't indicted though, no? I wonder if he already cut a deal (whatever did he mean by the "I've got a story to tell"?).
  • gut
    As for Manafort, don't you think he's probably fairly representative of the "swamp", insiders using their connections for personal gain? A lot of these campaign folks seem to be really sketchy.

    Fair to question why Trump hired Manafort, when he was well-known to Washington insiders. I would think the FBI is willing and able to help vet people around a Presidential campaign. But rather than speculate, like others, that Trump either didn't care or was too stupid to know....I'll instead suggest it didn't matter because Trump maybe didn't expect to win (and may not really have wanted to). I DO think the core motivation behind Trump's campaign was to further raise his profile, and gain millions of new followers so he could launch a successful network to the right of Fox News.
  • gut
    Spock;1879418 wrote:you mean an investigation that has unlimited scope and funds? THese investigations are BS and should be shut down due to the fact they have nothing in regards to why it was formed. COmpelte waste of money
    You might say the STORY itself was BS, but once the leftwing media created the perception of foul play you almost HAVE to investigate to restore confidence in the system.

    Sure, these investigations can go way off the reservation, but if Trump has nothing to hide he should embrace the investigation to clear the record. But it is a distraction and it does affect the ability to govern. Truthfully, since Mueller was appointed the Russia stuff has largely ceased to be an issue for the Administration as far as an obstacle to governing. Of course, Trump has many many more issues with his ability to govern.
  • ptown_trojans_1
    For fuck's sake, the investigations into Clinton is over and done and nothing was found. I guess people on here still just want to believe whatever crockpot conspiracy theory they want. Shit, half of you, well most of you, probably believe the bullshit Uranium one story.

    To even compare the investigations is laughable and plays right into the handbook of the Trump crowd, to try to confuse the whole thing into one big mess.

    This investigation may turn out some big stuff on Trump, or it may just be limited to people around him, we shall see.
  • like_that
    ptown_trojans_1;1879435 wrote:For fuck's sake, the investigations into Clinton is over and done and nothing was found. I guess people on here still just want to believe whatever crockpot conspiracy theory they want. Shit, half of you, well most of you, probably believe the bullshit Uranium one story.

    To even compare the investigations is laughable and plays right into the handbook of the Trump crowd, to try to confuse the whole thing into one big mess.

    This investigation may turn out some big stuff on Trump, or it may just be limited to people around him, we shall see.
    Time will tell amirite?
  • queencitybuckeye
    ptown_trojans_1;1879435 wrote:For fuck's sake, the investigations into Clinton is over and done and nothing was found. I
    That is a factually incorrect statement.
  • BoatShoes
    gut;1879422 wrote:As for Manafort, don't you think he's probably fairly representative of the "swamp", insiders using their connections for personal gain? A lot of these campaign folks seem to be really sketchy.

    Fair to question why Trump hired Manafort, when he was well-known to Washington insiders. I would think the FBI is willing and able to help vet people around a Presidential campaign. But rather than speculate, like others, that Trump either didn't care or was too stupid to know....I'll instead suggest it didn't matter because Trump maybe didn't expect to win (and may not really have wanted to). I DO think the core motivation behind Trump's campaign was to further raise his profile, and gain millions of new followers so he could launch a successful network to the right of Fox News.

    I think Manafort was originally floated because he was supposedly some kind of mastermind with regard to the delegate rules at the Republican National Convention as he had been on the floor at the last brokered convention or what have. That is what I remember people talking about when Trump originally hired him.
  • BoatShoes
    gut;1879424 wrote:You might say the STORY itself was BS, but once the leftwing media created the perception of foul play you almost HAVE to investigate to restore confidence in the system.

    Sure, these investigations can go way off the reservation, but if Trump has nothing to hide he should embrace the investigation to clear the record. But it is a distraction and it does affect the ability to govern. Truthfully, since Mueller was appointed the Russia stuff has largely ceased to be an issue for the Administration as far as an obstacle to governing. Of course, Trump has many many more issues with his ability to govern.
    Sessions not being forthright and having to recuse himself and Trump needlessly and recklessly firing Comey were the catalysts that really set this thing loose IMHO. Mind you, the FBI interview of this mook where he lied took pace on January 27, 2016 - the same day Trump allegedly demands loyalty from Comey or whatever.

    Blame the hysterical Dems doing their best Benghazi-impression all you want but these guys stepped in it so much they make Susan Rice going on about a youtube video look like John the Baptist.
  • superman
    BoatShoes;1879457 wrote:Sessions not being forthright and having to recuse himself and Trump needlessly and recklessly firing Comey were the catalysts that really set this thing loose IMHO. Mind you, the FBI interview of this mook where he lied took pace on January 27, 2016 - the same day Trump allegedly demands loyalty from Comey or whatever.

    Blame the hysterical Dems doing their best Benghazi-impression all you want but these guys stepped in it so much they make Susan Rice going on about a youtube video look like John the Baptist.
    Comey was a bureaucratic hack that needed to be fired. Otherwise, I agree with you.
  • CenterBHSFan
    ptown_trojans_1;1879435 wrote:For fuck's sake, the investigations into Clinton is over and done and nothing was found. I guess people on here still just want to believe whatever crockpot conspiracy theory they want. Shit, half of you, well most of you, probably believe the bullshit Uranium one story.

    To even compare the investigations is laughable and plays right into the handbook of the Trump crowd, to try to confuse the whole thing into one big mess.

    This investigation may turn out some big stuff on Trump, or it may just be limited to people around him, we shall see.
    The indignation is strong with this one.
  • Spock
    ptown_trojans_1;1879435 wrote:For fuck's sake, the investigations into Clinton is over and done and nothing was found. I guess people on here still just want to believe whatever crockpot conspiracy theory they want. Shit, half of you, well most of you, probably believe the bullshit Uranium one story.

    To even compare the investigations is laughable and plays right into the handbook of the Trump crowd, to try to confuse the whole thing into one big mess.

    This investigation may turn out some big stuff on Trump, or it may just be limited to people around him, we shall see.
    LULZ, Clinton was guilty as hell.
  • QuakerOats
    Spock;1879492 wrote:LULZ, Clinton was guilty as hell.

    Still is, and always will be.


    Period.





    PS - Seth Rich is still dead.