2016 Election Thread

• QuakerOats

  isadore;1880268 wrote:congratulations, you helped elect the least qualified, most ethically challenged and tempermentally unsuited President in our History.

  
  Complete horseshit.
  
  "least qualified" -- in what respect? Thus far, he is exactly right on every single issue we face.
  
  "ethically challenged" --- in what respect? ZERO evidence after an entire of liberal screaming. Yet, his opponent is clearly guilty of massive "collusion", conspiracy, bribery, money-laundering, perjury, and corruption, just to name a few.
  
  "tempermentally unsuitable" --- in what respect? Because he does not mince words, and The People appreciate that after decades of career politicians 'telling people what they want to hear', due to political correctness?
  
  
  
  
  
  God, you are lost.
• gut

  CenterBHSFan;1880365 wrote: Lots of outrage going on and the dems are cementing a loss for 2020 IMO.

  There's probably a good chance Trump loses the primaries if someone decent tries to run (and not another clown car of candidates). Would not surprise me if Trump declares "victory" after just 4 years and steps aside. Probably would make Pence the front-runner.
  
  But I have no idea who that is, because for all the talk about the Dems weak bench, everyone the Repubs had got crushed by Trump. I could see Kasich beating Trump, or possibly Cruz (whom I can't stand). But throw Rubio in that mix and Trump will probably win again. Paul Ryan has a failed VP run to his name, and his record as Speaker isn't all that great.
• gut

  CenterBHSFan;1880365 wrote:From what I'm seeing from actual progressives - they are screaming "gaslighting" and are now to the point where they are admitting that this kind of thing is exactly why Trump won the election.

  Yeah, I don't think that's why he won. The combination of identity politics and Dems swinging too far to the left are why Trump won. There's no indication that is changing as we head into 2018 and 2020.
• Dr Winston O'Boogie

  

  QuakerOats;1880383 wrote:Cleveland Heights ---- highly diverse in its mix of color, religion, economic status ............went for crooked Clinton by 94% - 6%.
  
  
  MEGA liberal, urban, group-think.
  
  
  Sick.

  If you want another example of group think, come on down here to Alabama. Outside of the central urban areas, it's the exact same as Cleveland Heights, but in favor Republicans as opposed to Democrats.
• isadore

  QuakerOats;1880383 wrote:Cleveland Heights ---- highly diverse in its mix of color, religion, economic status ............went for crooked Clinton by 94% - 6%.
  
  
  MEGA liberal, urban, group-think.
  
  
  Sick.

  tsk, tsk, tsk. Cleveland Heights is hardly representative of all the ethnically and intellectually diverse metropolitan areas that rejected Trump.
• isadore

  QuakerOats;1880384 wrote:Complete horseshit.
  
  "least qualified" -- in what respect? Thus far, he is exactly right on every single issue we face.
  
  "ethically challenged" --- in what respect? ZERO evidence after an entire of liberal screaming. Yet, his opponent is clearly guilty of massive "collusion", conspiracy, bribery, money-laundering, perjury, and corruption, just to name a few.
  
  "tempermentally unsuitable" --- in what respect? Because he does not mince words, and The People appreciate that after decades of career politicians 'telling people what they want to hear', due to political correctness?
  
  
  
  
  
  God, you are lost.

  LOL
  Least qualified- has repeatedly shown a lack of understanding of the powers, responsibilities and limits of his office and of the operation of the federal government.
  Ethically challenged-left a record of sleaze in his business and personal life from bankruptcies, to Trump University to ***** grabbing. Now his administration is sinking into the swamp of conflict of interest and abuse of power.
  Tempermentally unsuited-from his twitter quarrels, his fights with his own Congressional party member and foreign leaders including our own allies.
  To quote his own Secretary of State, Donald Trump is “a fucking moron.”
  
• CenterBHSFan

  

  gut;1880386 wrote:Yeah, I don't think that's why he won. The combination of identity politics and Dems swinging too far to the left are why Trump won. There's no indication that is changing as we head into 2018 and 2020.

  Personally, I think it was definitely one of the reasons that he won. Not THE reason.
  
  But the progressives do have a point in the fact of what the DNC people are publicly stating: that the party doesn't really plan to change anything.
  Republicans probably love that fact; the progressives are hating that fact. So if the dems put up the same establishment types for primaries/elections, I really don't see too many "Bernie Bro's" voting dem and I really can't see them voting for any of the below, either.
  
  Kamala Harris: Accused of quid pro quo for SEIU
  Corey Booker: Proven Liar
  Elizabeth Warren: Proven Liar
• QuakerOats

  isadore;1880398 wrote:tsk, tsk, tsk. Cleveland Heights is hardly representative of all the ethnically and intellectually diverse metropolitan areas that rejected Trump.

  
  It is ABSOLUTELY 100% representative of that.
• isadore

  QuakerOats;1880419 wrote:It is ABSOLUTELY 100% representative of that.

  gosh a ruddies your capitalizing does not make it true.
• gut

  CenterBHSFan;1880418 wrote: Corey Booker: Proven Liar
  Elizabeth Warren: Proven Liar

  Booker could get a lot of support. He'd have an excellent chance of beating Trump if he tones doesn't fall into the trap of divisive identity politics.
  
  Warren, on paper, seems like a strong candidate. But she can be whacko and abrasive. She's TOO liberal, and a flag-bearer for identify politics. I think voters in the middle run from her.
• Heretic

  

  Dr Winston O'Boogie;1880388 wrote:If you want another example of group think, come on down here to Alabama. Outside of the central urban areas, it's the exact same as Cleveland Heights, but in favor Republicans as opposed to Democrats.

  Yeah, the simple truth is that any region that struggles with education (whether it be inner city/urban or backwoods/rural) is probably really likely to blindly group-think their way into big-time party-line support. Of course, people like QQ only see that as worth commenting on as "sick" when it comes to those areas that don't vote his way.
• gut

  Heretic;1880433 wrote:Yeah, the simple truth is that any region that struggles with education (whether it be inner city/urban or backwoods/rural) is probably really likely to blindly group-think their way into big-time party-line support.

  I really don't think educated people are less prone to group-think. And one of the things that sustains group think is a lack of tolerance for new or different ideas.
• CenterBHSFan

  

  gut;1880428 wrote:Booker could get a lot of support. He'd have an excellent chance of beating Trump if he tones doesn't fall into the trap of divisive identity politics.

  Booker is certainly a very charismatic speaker and can rally a group of people Just like Bill Clinton. But will people forget how Booker double speaks (changes his point of view incident by incident) in the way that Bill Clinton can make people forget? Maybe. As far as democrats go, I would think Tulsi Gabbard would be the equal of Nikki Haley on the republican side - as far as substance, voting for novelty and star power.
  

  gut;1880428 wrote:Warren, on paper, seems like a strong candidate. But she can be whacko and abrasive. She's TOO liberal, and a flag-bearer for identify politics. I think voters in the middle run from her.

  I think voters in the middle would run away from just about everybody at this point in time lol!
  
  What Trump has going for him right now is that I don't think he'll be nailed for anything concerning Russia. And if there are no new projects of war because of his decisions that will have some people re-voting for him too. Which is not to say that republicans in the House and Senate are safe, because I think we'll see some good erosion there in the coming years.
  That doesn't mean that I think Trump is safe either. But if things keep going the way they're going (nothing happening) then he'll be revoted for again by a lot of people I suspect.
• gut

  CenterBHSFan;1880436 wrote: That doesn't mean that I think Trump is safe either. But if things keep going the way they're going (nothing happening) then he'll be revoted for again by a lot of people I suspect.

  If he comes out of this Russia thing unscathed, he'll certainly use the "witch hunt" to attack Dems and the establishment types.
  
  But you're right - it's the economy stupid. Would be amazing, though, to go 4 more years without a recession. The average economic expansion has lasted about 7 years, but this one has been longer because growth has been slower. Not sure how much more we have to go.
  
  If the markets and jobs are going well, it's going to be tough to beat Trump. In that scenario, a guy like Booker would probably wait until 2020.
• Dr Winston O'Boogie

  

  gut;1880435 wrote:I really don't think educated people are less prone to group-think. And one of the things that sustains group think is a lack of tolerance for new or different ideas.

  I agree with this. There are plenty of educated people in AL that vote 100% Republican every single time. I've been told more than once not to tell other people in my company I'm not a Republican because it will give them a low opinion of me.
• CenterBHSFan

  

  Dr Winston O'Boogie;1880467 wrote:I agree with this. There are plenty of educated people in AL that vote 100% Republican every single time. I've been told more than once not to tell other people in my company I'm not a Republican because it will give them a low opinion of me.

  LOL!
• gut

  Dr Winston O'Boogie;1880467 wrote:I agree with this. There are plenty of educated people in AL that vote 100% Republican every single time. I've been told more than once not to tell other people in my company I'm not a Republican because it will give them a low opinion of me.

  Funny. I've worked all over the country in businesses of various sizes. I didn't hear politics at the smaller companies in rural/suburbia. NY and SF were the worst, and almost exclusively liberal. I didn't hear a lot of politics in general, but what I did hear was mostly liberal.
  
  Recent survey I saw said Repubs/Conservatives are less likely to speak out on politics in the workplace, and fear being labeled. And that doesn't surprise me, because whether or not you're actually conservative, if you don't hold a particularly liberal view you tend to be labeled conservative, and by proxy/association you are then a racist, anti-science bigot. I do think, as a result, in most of the larger cities liberal views often go unchallenged.
• like_that

  

  gut;1880474 wrote:Funny. I've worked all over the country in businesses of various sizes. I didn't hear politics at the smaller companies in rural/suburbia. NY and SF were the worst, and almost exclusively liberal. I didn't hear a lot of politics in general, but what I did hear was mostly liberal.
  
  Recent survey I saw said Repubs/Conservatives are less likely to speak out on politics in the workplace, and fear being labeled. And that doesn't surprise me, because whether or not you're actually conservative, if you don't hold a particularly liberal view you tend to be labeled conservative, and by proxy/association you are then a racist, anti-science bigot. I do think, as a result, in most of the larger cities liberal views often go unchallenged.

  That's why I call them liberal bubble cities, and generally think most people who cry for a popular vote to determine elections can GTFO.
• isadore

  gosh
  evidence of racism, bigotry overwhelming
  how about a few of the many examples of anti-science
  Among the conspiracy theories in regular rotation by President Trump is his insistence there is a connection between autism and vaccines.
  http://fortune.com/2017/02/16/donald-trump-autism-vaccines/
  Forty-nine percent of Republicans don’t believe in evolution, a new Public Policy Polling survey found Tuesday.
  http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/poll-shows-republicans-rejecting-evolution
  
  The new head of the Environmental Protection Agency, Scott Pruitt, has already put himself at odds with the vast majority of climate scientists. In a TV interview today, Pruitt said he does not believe that carbon dioxide is a primary contributor to climate change. As NPR's Nathan Rott reports, his own agency has said otherwise.
  http://www.npr.org/2017/03/09/519499975/epa-head-scott-pruitt-doubts-basic-consensus-on-climate-change
  
• isadore

  gut;1880474 wrote:Funny. I've worked all over the country in businesses of various sizes. I didn't hear politics at the smaller companies in rural/suburbia. NY and SF were the worst, and almost exclusively liberal. I didn't hear a lot of politics in general, but what I did hear was mostly liberal.
  
  Recent survey I saw said Repubs/Conservatives are less likely to speak out on politics in the workplace, and fear being labeled. And that doesn't surprise me, because whether or not you're actually conservative, if you don't hold a particularly liberal view you tend to be labeled conservative, and by proxy/association you are then a racist, anti-science bigot. I do think, as a result, in most of the larger cities liberal views often go unchallenged.

  gosh
  evidence of racism, bigotry overwhelming
  how about a few of the many examples of anti-science
  Among the conspiracy theories in regular rotation by President Trump is his insistence there is a connection between autism and vaccines.
  http://fortune.com/2017/02/16/donald-trump-autism-vaccines/
  Forty-nine percent of Republicans don’t believe in evolution, a new Public Policy Polling survey found Tuesday.
  http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/poll-shows-republicans-rejecting-evolution
  
  The new head of the Environmental Protection Agency, Scott Pruitt, has already put himself at odds with the vast majority of climate scientists. In a TV interview today, Pruitt said he does not believe that carbon dioxide is a primary contributor to climate change. As NPR's Nathan Rott reports, his own agency has said otherwise.
  http://www.npr.org/2017/03/09/519499975/epa-head-scott-pruitt-doubts-basic-consensus-on-climate-change
• Spock

  

  isadore;1880403 wrote: LOL
  Least qualified- has repeatedly shown a lack of understanding of the powers, responsibilities and limits of his office and of the operation of the federal government.
  Ethically challenged-left a record of sleaze in his business and personal life from bankruptcies, to Trump University to ***** grabbing. Now his administration is sinking into the swamp of conflict of interest and abuse of power.
  Tempermentally unsuited-from his twitter quarrels, his fights with his own Congressional party member and foreign leaders including our own allies.
  To quote his own Secretary of State, Donald Trump is “a fucking moron.”
  

  Argue that Obama knew less. He had never spent a day in the real world. Only a government ran political one. Obama also abused his office.
• Dr Winston O'Boogie

  

  gut;1880474 wrote:Funny. I've worked all over the country in businesses of various sizes. I didn't hear politics at the smaller companies in rural/suburbia. NY and SF were the worst, and almost exclusively liberal. I didn't hear a lot of politics in general, but what I did hear was mostly liberal.
  
  Recent survey I saw said Repubs/Conservatives are less likely to speak out on politics in the workplace, and fear being labeled. And that doesn't surprise me, because whether or not you're actually conservative, if you don't hold a particularly liberal view you tend to be labeled conservative, and by proxy/association you are then a racist, anti-science bigot. I do think, as a result, in most of the larger cities liberal views often go unchallenged.

  In my experience in AL, if you don't say much about politics, I think you're assumed to be a dem. People I am around HATE dems and do not hesitate to talk about it openly.
• isadore

  Spock;1880494 wrote:Argue that Obama knew less. He had never spent a day in the real world. Only a government ran political one. Obama also abused his office.

  Working as a community organizer in South Chicago is working in the real world. And he as opposed to Trump understood how the government works.
• Spock

  

  isadore;1880542 wrote:Working as a community organizer in South Chicago is working in the real world. And he as opposed to Trump understood how the government works.

  2 things:
  
  1. getting a government pay check is not "real world".
  2. how the government works? it hasnt worked in decades....thanks god someone is in there changing it.
• QuakerOats

  isadore;1880542 wrote:Working as a community organizer in South Chicago is working in the real world.

  
  
  Really?