2016 Election Thread

• isadore

  Hail Trump
  65,844,954 voters can't be wrong
• HitsRus

  

  O-Trap;1829553 wrote:LOL U SERIOUS??? THATS A JOKE! I HAVE PROOF HERE! *parries with Huffington Post article*

  LOL. Reps!
• O-Trap

  

  iclfan2;1829595 wrote:Maybe y'all are seeing something different, but I think conservatives are pointing out "real" news that is just dumb as fuck and calling it fake news to point out how dumb a lot of journalism is. I'd have to say that real journalism is basically dead in the US for the most part. I'm sure there are the handful of journalists who try to find real stories, but 99% of shit is click bait and a story just to have something for people to click on.

  I'm seeing it both ways. Whether it's CNN or Fox News, I'm seeing them both called out. Sometimes, it's not even from people who espouse an opposing slant.
  
  I see a delineation between four different kinds of sources that could be construed as "fake news":
  
  - Biased news sources (MSNBC, Fox, etc.)
  - Commentary packaged as news (Breitbart, HuffPo, etc.)
  - Satirical news (The Onion, The Babylon Bee, etc.)
  - Actual fake news for the purpose of garnering traffic (none famous enough to cite ... by design)
  
  Some of these are less problematic than others. The question is, which do we actually categorize as "fake news?"
• Spock

  

  the media has created fake news on its own. They act like some outside entity is driving this. Their lack of journalistic idealogical reporting is where we have gotten.
  
  Investigative journalism is dead
• Automatik

  

  ^^^One of the confused ones I was referring to.
• sleeper

  

  O-Trap;1829664 wrote:I'm seeing it both ways. Whether it's CNN or Fox News, I'm seeing them both called out. Sometimes, it's not even from people who espouse an opposing slant.
  
  I see a delineation between four different kinds of sources that could be construed as "fake news":
  
  - Biased news sources (MSNBC, Fox, etc.)
  - Commentary packaged as news (Breitbart, HuffPo, etc.)
  - Satirical news (The Onion, The Babylon Bee, etc.)
  - Actual fake news for the purpose of garnering traffic (none famous enough to cite ... by design)
  
  Some of these are less problematic than others. The question is, which do we actually categorize as "fake news?"

  "
  A good chunk of them are the 2nd one that you noted. They use misleading headlines like "Donald Trump thinks women are pigs" and the article is something like "Donald Trump told CBS today that he is pro life, giving pigs the same rights as women."
  
  No one actually reads the context or cares. They got what they wanted to hear so they go tell their friends and their friends say "OMG, wow, such a misogynist and racist" and no one really cares what actually happened. It's a complete mess. I can't tell you how many articles FB puts up from my seemingly well educated peer group. If you try to tell them anything logical, they just label you something -ist.
• Heretic

  

  Automatik;1829675 wrote:^^^One of the confused ones I was referring to.

  It's CC. Did you expect something different?
• CenterBHSFan

  

  Spock;1829673 wrote:the media has created fake news on its own. They act like some outside entity is driving this. Their lack of journalistic idealogical reporting is where we have gotten.
  
  Investigative journalism is dead

  Automatik;1829675 wrote:^^^One of the confused ones I was referring to.

  Heretic;1829679 wrote:It's CC. Did you expect something different?

  But is he right or are you just dismissing him? Because, the way I see it he is right.
  
  [video=youtube;TPZ9QQwMl7U][/video]
  
  Yes, this video is from FOX news and anybody can say that they have their own agenda. Rightfully so. But it also clearly outlines how this can happen. When "journalists/news" reports unverified or unsubstantiated topics it can easily be fake news.
  It's one thing to be dismissive of somebody because you believe they are stupid or trolling, but it doesn't mean that they are always wrong. What that is really doing is trying to end the discussion, doing nobody any favors.
  
  I can't be always wrong, you can't be always wrong, Ptown can't be always wrong and Quaker can't be always wrong, etc. And I think that's a problem. Yes, this is just a message board and not to be taken too seriously but it's larger than that. When news is thrown out there to cause a flash of drama for the sake of an agenda or ratings, it can very easily be fake news.
• CenterBHSFan

  

  Can this post be deleted. It somehow double posted.
• Heretic

  

  CenterBHSFan;1829686 wrote:But is he right or are you just dismissing him? Because, the way I see it he is right.
  
  [video=youtube;TPZ9QQwMl7U][/video]
  
  Yes, this video is from FOX news and anybody can say that they have their own agenda. Rightfully so. But it also clearly outlines how this can happen. When "journalists/news" reports unverified or unsubstantiated topics it can easily be fake news.
  It's one thing to be dismissive of somebody because you believe they are stupid or trolling, but it doesn't mean that they are always wrong. What that is really doing is trying to end the discussion, doing nobody any favors.
  
  I can't be always wrong, you can't be always wrong, Ptown can't be always wrong and Quaker can't be always wrong, etc. And I think that's a problem. Yes, this is just a message board and not to be taken too seriously but it's larger than that. When news is thrown out there to cause a flash of drama for the sake of an agenda or ratings, it can very easily be fake news.

  a. "The media has created fake news on its own" is a hilarious over-simplification. They are responsible to a degree due to their generally biased reporting and how their rush to be "first" has made fact-checking way less of a priority than it should be. However, simply blaming the media doesn't touch other factors, such as opinion bloggers masquerading as news or people in general being stupid enough to believe anything as long as it aligns with their personal beliefs.
  
  2. "Investigative journalism is dead" is the sort of moronic statement along the lines of "no new music is good", where it speaks more to one's laziness or personal bias than anything else. Either being unwilling to actually look for it, or being pissy because they didn't really sink their teeth into something you personally thought they should have.
• Automatik

  

  ^^^This all day.
  
  
  The mainstream media is also guilty, but there is a clear difference between them and actual "fake news" that snowballs due to social media sharing morons.
• CenterBHSFan

  

  I give you both that, as it's fair. But in my own opinion, all media is so decisive with a slant that it is almost impossible to wade through what is bias and what is real. That's all I'm saying. And so a lot of times, people just say to heck with it and go with what sounds best to them. Real news or fake news.
  
  On similar lines, how is this fixed? Or can it be fixed? Is there a one-size-fits-all solution?
• Heretic

  

  CenterBHSFan;1829692 wrote:I give you both that, as it's fair. But in my own opinion, all media is so decisive with a slant that it is almost impossible to wade through what is bias and what is real. That's all I'm saying. And so a lot of times, people just say to heck with it and go with what sounds best to them. Real news or fake news.
  
  On similar lines, how is this fixed? Or can it be fixed? Is there a one-size-fits-all solution?

  I don't know that it really can just because so many people are so ingrained in their way of thinking that anything that doesn't support their views is "biased" or "wrong". The reason media is so decisive with their slant is because that's what people in general want: loud voices telling them how they should think. The real problem comes down to general stupidity. If one is being told how to think, then they don't have to actually think.
• like_that

  

  The only way it could be fixed is if people actually held all parties (media, politicians, partisan supporters) accountable. Until then it will only be more polarizing.
• Spock

  

  like_that;1829701 wrote:The only way it could be fix is if people actually held all parties (media, politicians, partisan supporters) accountable. Until then it will only be more polarizing.

  
  I think sometimes the media just fueled the outcome of the election. THeir biased reporting and chronically putting Trump on TV helped him out more then they want to admit. Any press is good press.
• O-Trap

  

  Heretic;1829688 wrote:However, simply blaming the media doesn't touch other factors, such as opinion bloggers masquerading as news or people in general being stupid enough to believe anything as long as it aligns with their personal beliefs.

  This. I think the public earns some culpability as well. The public helps fuel this with their eyes and ears. If HuffPo, Breitbart, Rush Limbaugh, or The Blaze didn't get such large audiences, they wouldn't be viable business models. From there, others wouldn't pop up trying to duplicate their success, and subsequently, there would be fewer such trash vying for space in the public's collective attention.
  
  The public is who, at the end of the day, ultimately allows them to perpetuate what they do.
  

  CenterBHSFan;1829692 wrote:On similar lines, how is this fixed? Or can it be fixed? Is there a one-size-fits-all solution?

  Stop watching and listening. If their viewership declines, their ad revenue declines. If you hit any business in the wallet, they listen.
  

  Spock;1829702 wrote:I think sometimes the media just fueled the outcome of the election. THeir biased reporting and chronically putting Trump on TV helped him out more then they want to admit. Any press is good press.

  We're talking more broadly than just this election.
  
  Also, ask any one of the child celebrities if the press and screen time they got didn't contribute to their struggles. Or that HGTV couple who flips houses.
  
  There are people who get the right kind of press and who know how to leverage it. Trump is one of those people, but the saying that any press is good press is far too broad.
• QuakerOats

  Automatik;1823545 wrote:So textile factories are coming back?
  
  
  When should we expect Apple to start shifting iPhone production to the US?

  
  
  Sorry it took a few weeks for this to develop; hope you don't mind:
  
  
  January 23, 2017 1:15 am JST
  Foxconn considers $7bn US display facility with Apple
  
  
  
  TAIPEI -- Key iPhone assembler Hon Hai Precision Industry is mulling a joint investment with Apple topping $7 billion for a highly automated display facility in the U.S., Chairman Terry Gou said Sunday.
  "Apple is willing to invest in the facility together because they need the [panels] as well," Gou told reporters after the company's annual year-end party in the Nankang district of Taipei. The U.S. production site eventually would create 30,000 to 50,000 jobs, the Taiwanese tycoon said.
  The Nikkei Asian Review reported in November that Apple had asked Hon Hai, better known as Foxconn Technology Group, to consider making iPhones in the U.S. NAR also reported this month that Foxconn and Japanese subsidiary Sharp were exploring construction of a U.S. display plant.
• Automatik

  

  That would be super.
  
  Let me know when they start constructing the facility.
• sleeper

  

  QuakerOats;1833794 wrote:Sorry it took a few weeks for this to develop; hope you don't mind:
  
  
  January 23, 2017 1:15 am JST
  Foxconn considers $7bn US display facility with Apple
  
  
  
  TAIPEI -- Key iPhone assembler Hon Hai Precision Industry is mulling a joint investment with Apple topping $7 billion for a highly automated display facility in the U.S., Chairman Terry Gou said Sunday.
  "Apple is willing to invest in the facility together because they need the [panels] as well," Gou told reporters after the company's annual year-end party in the Nankang district of Taipei. The U.S. production site eventually would create 30,000 to 50,000 jobs, the Taiwanese tycoon said.
  The Nikkei Asian Review reported in November that Apple had asked Hon Hai, better known as Foxconn Technology Group, to consider making iPhones in the U.S. NAR also reported this month that Foxconn and Japanese subsidiary Sharp were exploring construction of a U.S. display plant.

  Thanks Obama!
  
  These deals take years to work out, so its fair to say that over the last 8 years, Obama's policies are finally coming to fruition. The real question is, will this plant really be built in a fascist regime? Stock market is down since Trump took over after moving up 300% since Obama took office.
  
  We have elected the enemy.
• QuakerOats

  Automatik;1833795 wrote:That would be super.
  
  Let me know when they start constructing the facility.

  
  Should happen soon now that the asinine regulatory burdens are being wiped away and taxes are being lowered.
• Automatik

  

  Sounds great. Please keep us updated.
  
  Also, don't forget about "bringing back coal to Ohio." Please let us know when existing mines will be reopened and/or new facilities constructed.
• QuakerOats

  Automatik;1833808 wrote:Sounds great. Please keep us updated.
  
  Also, don't forget about "bringing back coal to Ohio." Please let us know when existing mines will be reopened and/or new facilities constructed.

  
  You will be the first to know.
• QuakerOats

  Severe psychosis:
  
  
  Candidates aspiring to take over as chairman of the Democratic National Committee met Monday night to discuss what went wrong in 2016 and how to get the party back on track.
  Early into the event the candidates gravitated toward a particular scapegoat for the party’s poor showing in November: Political consultancies owned by white people.
  “We have to stop, particularly with the consultants,” said the chairman of the South Carolina Democratic Party, Jaime Harrison. “You cannot come to the DNC and get a contract and the only minority face you have is the person answering the phone.”
  Minority consultants “need to get the same resources that the white consultants have gotten,” said a Fox News analyst and candidate for the chairmanship, Jehmu Greene. "The DNC did a piss poor, pathetic job" attracting minorities, she said.
  Democrats must provide “training” that focuses in part on teaching Americans “how to be sensitive and how to shut their mouths if they are white,” urged the executive director of Idaho’s Democratic Party, Sally Boynton Brown, who is white.
  The event’s moderator, MSNBC’s Joy Ann Reid, asked the candidates how the party should handle the Black Lives Now movement.
  The candidates uniformly emphasized that the party must embrace the activists unreservedly.
  “It makes me sad that we’re even having that conversation and that tells me that white leaders in our party have failed,” Brown said. “I’m a white woman, I don’t get it. … My job is to listen and be a voice and shut other white people down when they want to interrupt.”
  “This is life and death” she emphasized. “I am a human being trying to do good work and I can’t do it without y’all. So please, please, please, get ahold of me. Sally at we-the-dnc.org. I need schooling so I can go school the other white people.”
  Another candidate said black Americans are now living with “justified fear” of being killed after Donald Trump was elected president.
  Raymond Buckley, the chairman for the New Hampshire Democratic Party, told a story about how, in the midst of “grieving” on Election Day, he received a call from his black niece, who feared for her life after Trump’s victory.
  “It’s not just certain parts of the country,” he said. “That fear is all across the country. It’s even in rural new Hampshire. So when people say black lives matter, you are damn right they matter.”
  Asked whether they would agree to work with President Trump, the candidates agreed they would never do so, which drew some applause from the otherwise quiet crowd at George Washington University.
  
  
  
  Trump Derangement Syndrome on steroids
• sleeper

  

  QuakerOats;1833985 wrote:Severe psychosis:
  
  
  Candidates aspiring to take over as chairman of the Democratic National Committee met Monday night to discuss what went wrong in 2016 and how to get the party back on track.
  Early into the event the candidates gravitated toward a particular scapegoat for the party’s poor showing in November: Political consultancies owned by white people.
  “We have to stop, particularly with the consultants,” said the chairman of the South Carolina Democratic Party, Jaime Harrison. “You cannot come to the DNC and get a contract and the only minority face you have is the person answering the phone.”
  Minority consultants “need to get the same resources that the white consultants have gotten,” said a Fox News analyst and candidate for the chairmanship, Jehmu Greene. "The DNC did a piss poor, pathetic job" attracting minorities, she said.
  Democrats must provide “training” that focuses in part on teaching Americans “how to be sensitive and how to shut their mouths if they are white,” urged the executive director of Idaho’s Democratic Party, Sally Boynton Brown, who is white.
  The event’s moderator, MSNBC’s Joy Ann Reid, asked the candidates how the party should handle the Black Lives Now movement.
  The candidates uniformly emphasized that the party must embrace the activists unreservedly.
  “It makes me sad that we’re even having that conversation and that tells me that white leaders in our party have failed,” Brown said. “I’m a white woman, I don’t get it. … My job is to listen and be a voice and shut other white people down when they want to interrupt.”
  “This is life and death” she emphasized. “I am a human being trying to do good work and I can’t do it without y’all. So please, please, please, get ahold of me. Sally at we-the-dnc.org. I need schooling so I can go school the other white people.”
  Another candidate said black Americans are now living with “justified fear” of being killed after Donald Trump was elected president.
  Raymond Buckley, the chairman for the New Hampshire Democratic Party, told a story about how, in the midst of “grieving” on Election Day, he received a call from his black niece, who feared for her life after Trump’s victory.
  “It’s not just certain parts of the country,” he said. “That fear is all across the country. It’s even in rural new Hampshire. So when people say black lives matter, you are damn right they matter.”
  Asked whether they would agree to work with President Trump, the candidates agreed they would never do so, which drew some applause from the otherwise quiet crowd at George Washington University.
  
  
  
  Trump Derangement Syndrome on steroids

  Fake news.
• QuakerOats

  The more I witness the actions of the deranged left; the more I think it has to be fake; no group can be that completely fucked up.