2016 Election Thread

• ZWICK 4 PREZ

  

  iclfan2;1824930 wrote: Also, just because the Federal Government has too much power right now doesn't mean people want it that way, nor should it stay that way.

  uh.. its gradually increased overtime.. its never given back. I think you're in for a world of disappointment if you don't think it will continue to grow.
• sleeper

  

  O-Trap;1824874 wrote:I mean, sleeper isn't exactly a liberal. His vote for Clinton, as has been stated frequently on here, was a begrudged one.
  
  
  
  Correct, but the number of those votes in densely-populated areas is greater. As such, the densely populated areas will get the attention, because there are more of those votes to "win" in those areas. In the example I used before, the entire state of Wyoming only has about 600,000 voters across the state, and yet, LA County has over 10 million. Do you think the candidates are going to campaign in Wyoming at all, or are they going to focus on the location and needs of the people in LA County?
  
  The EC doesn't allow a person to campaign in only the metropolitan areas. It forces them to address needs all over the country, including the regions that aren't as densely populated.
  
  Each individual's interests should matter as much as their vote. With a popular vote, they wouldn't.

  Candidates don't campaign in Wyoming now. They also don't campaign in LA county for different reasons.
  
  They build their campaign on the selection of issues that affect 'swing states'; ignoring entirely building a platform that represents all Americans since every vote counts. The EC is just another layer that doesn't serve any real purpose other to generate discussion on its merits. It's inefficient for 2016.
• iclfan2

  

  ZWICK 4 PREZ;1824937 wrote:uh.. its gradually increased overtime.. its never given back. I think you're in for a world of disappointment if you don't think it will continue to grow.

  I realize that. Doesn't mean I agree with it. I can only hope the electorate holds on to states having some sort of power/rights for as long as possible.
• fish82

  

  sleeper;1824941 wrote:Candidates don't campaign in Wyoming now. They also don't campaign in LA county for different reasons.
  
  They build their campaign on the selection of issues that affect 'swing states'; ignoring entirely building a platform that represents all Americans since every vote counts. The EC is just another layer that doesn't serve any real purpose other to generate discussion on its merits. It's inefficient for 2016.

  Recounting 125 million votes would probably be a little inefficient as well.
• queencitybuckeye

  ZWICK 4 PREZ;1824937 wrote:uh.. its gradually increased overtime.. its never given back. I think you're in for a world of disappointment if you don't think it will continue to grow.

  Can't argue this, but the results would make it hard to argue that this is a good thing. Not sure why we would take additional steps in that direction.
• ZWICK 4 PREZ

  

  queencitybuckeye;1824956 wrote:Can't argue this, but the results would make it hard to argue that this is a good thing. Not sure why we would take additional steps in that direction.

  eh.. regardless that's the reality. just pretending it wont happen wont help any.
• sleeper

  

  fish82;1824953 wrote:Recounting 125 million votes would probably be a little inefficient as well.

  If the off tail event you need a recount it would be a pain.
  
  However, when the spread of votes is tallied nationally, the margin of winning will likely have greater volatility and the need for a recount will be even less. One of the reasons recounts are needed is that the margins in states are tiny and a few votes here and there DO matter. Nationally, this wouldn't be an issue. Do you think we would need a recount of 125 million votes in this election? HRC is crushing it.
• Con_Alma

  queencitybuckeye;1824956 wrote:Can't argue this, but the results would make it hard to argue that this is a good thing. Not sure why we would take additional steps in that direction.

  Agreed. I'd rather not enable it to continue at the pace it has but rather would like to see it throttled and delayed as much as possible for as long as possible....even to the very last assumption of federal power.
• fish82

  

  sleeper;1824958 wrote:If the off tail event you need a recount it would be a pain.
  
  However, when the spread of votes is tallied nationally, the margin of winning will likely have greater volatility and the need for a recount will be even less. One of the reasons recounts are needed is that the margins in states are tiny and a few votes here and there DO matter. Nationally, this wouldn't be an issue. Do you think we would need a recount of 125 million votes in this election? HRC is crushing it.

  If HRC was "crushing it," she'd be working on her transition, and I wouldn't be putting new hardwood floors in my entire house with my prediction market winnings.
  
  Carry on. :laugh:
• sleeper

  

  fish82;1824969 wrote:If HRC was "crushing it," she'd be working on her transition, and I wouldn't be putting new hardwood floors in my entire house with my prediction market winnings.
  
  Carry on. :laugh:

  Yeah because that's what I meant. HRC is going to win the popular vote by ~2 million votes. There would be no recount in this case.
  
  Anyways, we get Trump; probably the biggest moron to ever take office.
• CenterBHSFan

  

  sleeper;1824958 wrote:If the off tail event you need a recount it would be a pain.
  
  However, when the spread of votes is tallied nationally, the margin of winning will likely have greater volatility and the need for a recount will be even less. One of the reasons recounts are needed is that the margins in states are tiny and a few votes here and there DO matter. Nationally, this wouldn't be an issue. Do you think we would need a recount of 125 million votes in this election? HRC is crushing it.

  I think your argument would carry more weight if we rolled back 30 years and longer, to a point in time when the US wasn't in such a politically polarized environment. But in this day and age when Americans are addicted to free things and wanting more free things, the larger cities would indeed win out over vast areas of the population.
  Not to mention that the fear mongering/accusations would ramp up to the point where it's very possible that widespread violence would occur.
• CenterBHSFan

  

  sleeper;1824975 wrote:Yeah because that's what I meant. HRC is going to win the popular vote by ~2 million votes. There would be no recount in this case.

  Los Angeles, a predictable democrat city, alone would have put Clinton over the edge of winning the population vote. That's... not good.
• fish82

  

  sleeper;1824975 wrote:Yeah because that's what I meant. HRC is going to win the popular vote by ~2 million votes. There would be no recount in this case.

  Considering the semi-credible reports of up to 3 million non-citizens casting ballots, I can assure you that there most certainly would be.
  

  sleeper;1824975 wrote:Anyways, we get Trump; probably the biggest moron to ever take office.

  Okay?
• sleeper

  

  CenterBHSFan;1824977 wrote:I think your argument would carry more weight if we rolled back 30 years and longer, to a point in time when the US wasn't in such a politically polarized environment. But in this day and age when Americans are addicted to free things and wanting more free things, the larger cities would indeed win out over vast areas of the population.
  Not to mention that the fear mongering/accusations would ramp up to the point where it's very possible that widespread violence would occur.

  If that's what they want, isn't that the will of the people?
  
  It's the same type of logic that keeps DC from getting equal representation in Congress; it's not right but they would probably be two D senators and we can't have that!
• sleeper

  

  fish82;1824980 wrote:Considering the semi-credible reports of up to 3 million non-citizens casting ballots, I can assure you that there most certainly would be.
  
  
  
  Okay?

  Oh yes, the old 'voter fraud' argument.
  
  And okay? That is what the people want. Trump; they want him and they want everyone to work with him and show him respect; the same respect and honor that the Republicans gave Obama. Spare me the lulz.
• sleeper

  

  CenterBHSFan;1824979 wrote:Los Angeles, a predictable democrat city, alone would have put Clinton over the edge of winning the population vote. That's... not good.

  Predictably Democrat because if you are a Republican you don't even bother voting because California is going to be D anyway.
  
  I wish there was some way all voices could be heard regardless of worrying about what your neighbor votes...They could call it "Democracy".
• Wolves of Babylon

  sleeper;1824983 wrote:Predictably Democrat because if you are a Republican you don't even bother voting because California is going to be D anyway.
  
  I wish there was some way all voices could be heard regardless of worrying about what your neighbor votes...They could call it "Democracy".

  Who cares? Time to move on. Your votes will never mean much because things in Washington will always be the same.
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• sleeper

  

  Wolves of Babylon;1824984 wrote:Who cares?
  
  
  
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  People with a heart and a brain.
• Wolves of Babylon

  sleeper;1824985 wrote:People with a heart and a brain.

  I didnt vote for either candidate but go ahead and tell me how Hilary would have been a great president
  
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• sleeper

  

  Wolves of Babylon;1824986 wrote:I didnt vote for either candidate but go ahead and tell me how Hilary would have been a great president
  
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  Well she can put together a basic sentence something which we used to take for granted until we decided to elect Trump as President.
• QuakerOats

  Only 1,500 Bigleague T-shirts left; and 6,100 MAGA hats left .........better order yours today.
• QuakerOats

  Daily Reminder:
  
  Hillary will never be president.
• sleeper

  

  QuakerOats;1824991 wrote:Daily Reminder:
  
  Hillary will never be president.

  Well that is something we can agree on.
• sleeper

  

  QuakerOats;1824989 wrote:Only 1,500 Bigleague T-shirts left; and 6,100 MAGA hats left .........better order yours today.

  They should hand them out free. Make it really easy to spot an idiot.
• QuakerOats

  sleeper;1824994 wrote:They should hand them out free. Make it really easy to spot an idiot.

  
  Hell, they are collector's items now; probably getting $200 apiece.
  
  The idiots are easy to spot; they are still crying in the urban streets and throwing little hissy fits.