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  • fish82
    iclfan2;1824473 wrote:He's going to try, but corrupt Chicago has already said they won't be stopping.
    And I respect their stance. Let's see how valiant they are absent federal funding.
  • Con_Alma
    queencitybuckeye;1823947 wrote:Spot-on analysis of the election, whose fault it was that it turned out how it did including why the polls were wrong.

    Trigger warning - potentially offensive language.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GLG9g7BcjKs
    That is a fantastic crescendo of entertainment.
  • QuakerOats
    Commander of Awesome;1823850 wrote:The FBI says otherwise, but you know better than an FBI Investigation? Sounds like you want to believe something despite the evidence. That can only be summed up as faith, I choose to live in reality.
    The FBI investigation into the Clinton Foundation is the grand daddy; and it is still in progress.
  • gut
    QuakerOats;1824516 wrote:The FBI investigation into the Clinton Foundation is the grand daddy; and it is still in progress.
    The Clintons are basically done as influencers. Slick Willy is still popular, and will continue to hold an esteemed place in the Democratic party. But they are done with Hillary. Be really interesting to see what they get paid for speeches going forward.

    Better off turning the focus to Obama. There is no question he's seen the wealth and influence the Clintons have enjoyed for 2.5 decades and has plotted out a similar post-presidency path for himself. Saw where he's already been offered a $25M book deal - that's the walking around money to grab the torch from Bill and run with it.
  • Spock
    All trump has to do is threaten the Clintons with jail time. All he needs to do is to tell them to disapear and never do the politics thing again
  • QuakerOats
    BoatShoes;1824452 wrote:Saw this re Trump:



    Trump is the hero we need to get white, conservative and rural America to be amenable to Obama's policies! #MAGA

    Whacking the individual mandate is the death knell to obamaKare, and its going, going, gone

    The illegal criminals are the first batch to be sent packing

    The Wall can, and will, take many forms

    -----

    Then, you have massive regulation rollbacks, lower taxes, repatriating of trillions, conservative scotus nominees, marxists in federal agencies fired en masse, and a little law-and-order coming. Yeah, that sounds like obama's policies. Must really be giving the chardonnay quite a workout over the last week.
  • gut
    QuakerOats;1824539 wrote:Whacking the individual mandate is the death knell to obamaKare, and its going, going, gone.
    They'll expand Medicaid, which is basically all most of the newly insureds under Obamakare have gotten. That's easy.

    And you could just make it illegal for insurance companies to screen pre-existing conditions. That's even easier.

    Much, much simpler than the complex mess that is Obamakare. I do believe it was designed with the expectation that it would fail, ultimately paving the way to single payer. At the time they didn't have the votes for single payer or a public option, but they had the hubris to think they'd gain the votes in the next election (as opposed to the shellacking they actually got).

    If you consider what was set-up in 2008 and seemingly for years to come....Obama/Reid/Pelosi/Clinton are tremendous failures - Democrats have been slaughtered at all levels of govt throughout the country. 1000 seats, I think it was, that they've lost. That's what happens when you insist completely ignore the minority party as if they've sunk into irrelevance. That's what happens when you become the identity politics party of the agrieved, and much of America doesn't feel represented and tires of being shamed for unconscious acts of "discrimination".

    And Republicans would be remiss to think that a lot of those gains, even most, aren't significantly attributable to what a horrid candidate Clinton was. There's going to be a recession in the next 4 years, so Republicans better give voters a reason to vote for something other than the economy.
  • queencitybuckeye
    gut;1824517 wrote:The Clintons are basically done as influencers. Slick Willy is still popular, and will continue to hold an esteemed place in the Democratic party.
    The way he's looked recently, one questions for how long.
  • gut
    queencitybuckeye;1824554 wrote:The way he's looked recently, one questions for how long.
    It could be an interesting power struggle between Hillary and Obama, as I don't think any love is lost between those two.

    I think Hillary will struggle to stay relevant, but I do think the party is done with her. The Dems now are going to be about Elizabeth Warren, Bernie and Obama.
  • CenterBHSFan
    With Obama staying in DC, he'll be the new face of special interest.
  • fish82
    Not gonna lie, Obie is seriously enhancing his post-POTUS brand with how he's handed the past week's events. Pretty much 100% class and grace so far. His presser today was a home run.
  • gut
    fish82;1824563 wrote:Not gonna lie, Obie is seriously enhancing his post-POTUS brand with how he's handed the past week's events. Pretty much 100% class and grace so far. His presser today was a home run.
    The proof will be what happens after Trump is sworn in. Is Obama going to stay out of the spotlight and let his successor govern even as much of his "legacy" gets dismantled, as every other POTUS has done before him?
  • O-Trap
    gut;1824565 wrote:The proof will be what happens after Trump is sworn in. Is Obama going to stay out of the spotlight and let his successor govern even as much of his "legacy" gets dismantled, as every other POTUS has done before him?
    I would imagine so, honestly.
  • QuakerOats
    gut;1824542 wrote:They'll expand Medicaid, which is basically all most of the newly insureds under Obamakare have gotten. That's easy.

    And you could just make it illegal for insurance companies to screen pre-existing conditions. That's even easier.

    Much, much simpler than the complex mess that is Obamakare. I do believe it was designed with the expectation that it would fail, ultimately paving the way to single payer. At the time they didn't have the votes for single payer or a public option, but they had the hubris to think they'd gain the votes in the next election (as opposed to the shellacking they actually got).

    Employer mandate headed for the ash heap also ..............
  • QuakerOats
    http://www.kgw.com/news/local/more-than-half-of-arrested-anti-trump-protesters-didnt-vote/351964445


    Over half of protesters arrested in Portland didn't vote or are not registered to vote in Oregon.


    George Soros still pulling the strings. Damn am I glad he pissed away tens of millions supporting Clinton and other anti-American activities.
  • Spock
    QuakerOats;1824654 wrote:http://www.kgw.com/news/local/more-than-half-of-arrested-anti-trump-protesters-didnt-vote/351964445


    Over half of protesters arrested in Portland didn't vote or are not registered to vote in Oregon.


    George Soros still pulling the strings. Damn am I glad he pissed away tens of millions supporting Clinton and other anti-American activities.
    Shocker
  • CenterBHSFan
    Well, it seems that Barbara Boxer (D) from California wants to end the electoral college.

    http://www.businessinsider.com/barbara-boxer-eliminate-electoral-college-2016-11
    "This is the only office in the land where you can get more votes and still lose the presidency," she continued. "The Electoral College is an outdated, undemocratic system that does not reflect our modern society, and it needs to change immediately. Every American should be guaranteed that their vote counts."
    Thoughts on this?
  • majorspark
    CenterBHSFan;1824750 wrote:Well, it seems that Barbara Boxer (D) from California wants to end the electoral college.

    http://www.businessinsider.com/barbara-boxer-eliminate-electoral-college-2016-11


    Thoughts on this?
    Each states electoral votes are the total of population based House representation and two Senators. Will she eliminate the Senate as well?
  • fish82
    I'd be interested to see if Barbara is actually willing to put in the legwork necessary to change it.
  • majorspark
    fish82;1824752 wrote:I'd be interested to see if Barbara is actually willing to put in the legwork necessary to change it.
    At the rate the Democrats are getting their asses handed to them (especially at the state level) I'd say she could use her time more wisely.
  • queencitybuckeye
    CenterBHSFan;1824750 wrote:Well, it seems that Barbara Boxer (D) from California wants to end the electoral college.

    http://www.businessinsider.com/barbara-boxer-eliminate-electoral-college-2016-11


    Thoughts on this?
    The presidency wasn't intended to be democratic.
  • sleeper
    I'm good with removing the Electoral College.

    However, Trump won on the current rules; this comes off as sour grapes.
  • majorspark
    sleeper;1824759 wrote:I'm good with removing the Electoral College.
    Never going to happen. Book it.
  • O-Trap
    CenterBHSFan;1824750 wrote:Well, it seems that Barbara Boxer (D) from California wants to end the electoral college.

    http://www.businessinsider.com/barbara-boxer-eliminate-electoral-college-2016-11


    Thoughts on this?
    I don't mind the Electoral College. If nothing else, it complicates any attempt at voter fraud (which I don't think happens to the degree that some do, in part because of the EC). Just as well, it requires candidates to campaign in, and take seriously, the regions of the country that are less densely populated.

    I see the value of the EC as being somewhat equitable to the value of the Senate. It allows for a place where the less-populated states have a voice that isn't drowned out by the more-populated states. It would seem to me that discrediting the value of one would, at least in part, discredit the value of the other.
  • iclfan2
    CenterBHSFan;1824750 wrote:Thoughts on this?
    Thoughts? She is a fucking retard. What her and all of the cry baby liberals don't understand is that Trump didn't even campaign in New York or California because he knew he would lose those states. Had he, who knows what the popular vote would have been. Campaigns would be run completely different if it was up to a popular vote, and they would largely ignore a humongous sections of middle America, which is why it will never happen. Why would state representatives give in to something that would basically give them no consideration from candidates and leave elections largely up to a few large liberal, urban, city centers?

    This is the biggest cry baby reaction to an election anyone has ever witnessed. My goodness