Iowa Caucus

• BoatShoes

  Con_Alma;1779690 wrote:I think it's more than a belief. Designated withdrawals from individuals paychecks earmarked for these things accompanied by employer matches are part of the individuals compensation. I don't think it should be referred to as belief folks have earned it.
  
  I think you might be speculating when you state that Americans think it's a decent deal. That may or may not be true.

  I didn't say GREAT deal. Support for Social Security and Medicare is unquestionable. A very small percentage of the most hardcore conservative voters do not support them or complain about them but that is it.
• gut

  BoatShoes;1779686 wrote:You bring up a great point. Americans broadly support Medicare and Social Security because they believe they have earned it and that it is a decent deal. Americans hate the word free.

  Well, I'd argue they broadly "support" Medicare and SS because they've been paying the premiums for it since we all started working.
  
  The idea behind social programs is SOCIAL INSURANCE, and everyone participates....different from wealth redistribution, although there's a component of that in the benefits. Shouldn't the people receiving the benefit be the ones paying for the benefit? If there's not a positive ROI from you going to college, which can ultimately pay for your college, then why would the taxpayer want to fund a negative ROI?
• Heretic

  

  HitsRus;1779589 wrote:Exactly my point. Far too much attention is spent on Hillary. It is dangerous and short sighted to pooh pooh Sanders' electability for this election. He and his ideas should be attacked and discredited at every point. We cannot allow the neo-Bolsheviks to continue to run their playbook, and to destroy our posterity. History does and will repeat itself, and our way of life, our system of economics, and our constitutional republic must be defended.

  Sounds like my views on social conservatives. Must be something about the word "social" being part of a person's political views.
• BoatShoes

  FatHobbit;1779646 wrote:Is Bernie proposing the govt taking over universities or is he proposing that the federal govt pay for everyone to go to school? I am very unclear on what he actually wants to do other than "free college"

  Basically same thing as current Federal Loans but nobody has to pay them back.
• BoatShoes

  gut;1779696 wrote:Well, I'd argue they broadly "support" Medicare and SS because they've been paying the premiums for it since we all started working.
  
  The idea behind social programs is SOCIAL INSURANCE, and everyone participates....different from wealth redistribution, although there's a component of that in the benefits. Shouldn't the people receiving the benefit be the ones paying for the benefit? If there's not a positive ROI from you going to college, which can ultimately pay for your college, then why would the taxpayer want to fund a negative ROI?

  I think these are all good points.
• HitsRus

  

  Boatshoes says....

  Again, a man you have quoted on here multiple times - Martin Luther King - also referred to himself as a Democratic Socialist and he has a National Holiday.

  you've done this before… inferring that because I cited and admired Dr. King on race relations that I should also accept his view on economics as if there is some logical requirement that if I accept one thing a person says, then necessarily I must accept I accept everything that person says as gospel. While he may be revered as well as martyred, he did put his pants on one leg at a time.
• Con_Alma

  BoatShoes;1779695 wrote:I didn't say GREAT deal. Support for Social Security and Medicare is unquestionable. A very small percentage of the most hardcore conservative voters do not support them or complain about them but that is it.

  
  I didn't suggest you did say "great deal". I was clear that it being thought to be a decent deal is speculation.
• FatHobbit

  

  BoatShoes;1779701 wrote:Basically same thing as current Federal Loans but nobody has to pay them back.

  I can see how that would lead to massive increases in cost
• FatHobbit

  

  sleeper;1779656 wrote:So basically "here's a check" for anyone who's not white.
  
  I'd be okay with a system where if you graduate with a 3.5 or higher in a relevant field you get your entire college reimbursed. The people who score between a 3.0 and 3.49 pay the normal price of college and the people who score lower than 3.0 pay the cost of college for those who scored 3.5 or higher. It would eliminate trash from even bothering going to school and give a huge incentive to do well in school.
  
  Of course, liberals don't like a system in which there are contingencies to get free things because they are seen as unfair to everyone who's not a white male.

  Lol that would lead to not many engineering majors and many art majors
• Heretic

  

  FatHobbit;1779720 wrote:Lol that would lead to not many engineering majors and many art majors

  Those cake classes at every university that athletes are always in so they can remain eligible would be LOADED every single term.
• QuakerOats

  ZWICK 4 PREZ;1779680 wrote:when reasonable people put Nationalism and ethnocentrism aside, and look at data, they see we're not even close to the best.

  
  Absolutely mind numbing.
• QuakerOats

  BoatShoes;1779701 wrote:Basically same thing as current Federal Loans but nobody has to pay them back.

  
  
  Yippeee .....................Bernie for President.
• ZWICK 4 PREZ

  

  QuakerOats;1779728 wrote:Absolutely mind numbing.

  fox will do that to you.
• QuakerOats

  ZWICK 4 PREZ;1779730 wrote:fox will do that to you.

  
  When you lose the argument, throw out the Fox News barbs ................ sooooo typical.
• ZWICK 4 PREZ

  

  QuakerOats;1779733 wrote:When you lose the argument, throw out the Fox News barbs ................ sooooo typical.

  just for clarity on how your mind works.. you wrote "absolutely mind numbing" and to you, you won an argument? lol awesome.
• sleeper

  

  FatHobbit;1779720 wrote:Lol that would lead to not many engineering majors and many art majors

  I said a relevant field so maybe art majors would have to get a 3.9 or higher for free college, 3.5 for normal college, and 3.49 or lower have to pay quadruple the college rate for being failures and trash.
• sleeper

  

  Heretic;1779722 wrote:Those cake classes at every university that athletes are always in so they can remain eligible would be LOADED every single term.

  Simple. Take away shit electives and replace them with calculus and physics.
• queencitybuckeye

  ZWICK 4 PREZ;1779644 wrote:Doubtful being a federal budget.

  Then it's not remotely the same thing.
• queencitybuckeye

  ZWICK 4 PREZ;1779680 wrote:when reasonable people put Nationalism and ethnocentrism aside, and look at data, they see we're not even close to the best.

  Ignoring equity, we're the best and no one is close. If you need a complex treatment as a matter of life or death, you're delusional or flat lying if you claim you'd leave the country.
• QuakerOats

  ZWICK 4 PREZ;1779734 wrote:just for clarity on how your mind works.. you wrote "absolutely mind numbing" and to you, you won an argument? lol awesome.

  
  There is little argument as to which nation on the planet has the superior health CARE.
  
  
  Carry on...
• Al Bundy

  sleeper;1779738 wrote:Simple. Take away shit electives and replace them with calculus and physics.

  The Ivy League and military academies become national football powers again.
• ptown_trojans_1

  

  BTW, Trump today on Twitter is freaking gold.
  
  He is calling out Cruz saying the whole Iowa process was a fraud and that there should be a revote. There is the crazy Donald we missed on Caucus night!
  "Ted Cruz didn't win Iowa, he stole it. That is why all of the polls were so wrong and why he got far more votes than anticipated. Bad!"
  https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump
• sleeper

  

  Al Bundy;1779744 wrote:The Ivy League and military academies become national football powers again.

  I doubt it. Ohio State has enough tutors to get athletes by. The fluff classes are there for the players who don't really care and are just there to play football.
• hasbeen

  

  ZWICK 4 PREZ;1779620 wrote:which is how the universities would be funded..

  I'd be interested in how quickly university classrooms would turn into high school classrooms in terms of behavior. I'd also be interested in how many professors who teach as a secondary, bypass teaching altogether and focus on their primary job.
  

  FatHobbit;1779646 wrote:Is Bernie proposing the govt taking over universities or is he proposing that the federal govt pay for everyone to go to school? I am very unclear on what he actually wants to do other than "free college"

  How does the Professor payscale change?
  

  sleeper;1779672 wrote:Our education system before university is beyond terrible. The reality is most parents don't value education and don't take the time to make sure their kids are doing their homework and actually going to school. My mom is a teacher and she gets blamed when kids don't do their homework or don't come to class.
  

  This is the country's biggest issue.
• gut

  ptown_trojans_1;1779755 wrote: He is calling out Cruz saying the whole Iowa process was a fraud and that there should be a revote.

  Has anyone re-tweeted "you're still the first loser" yet?