Trump vs. Hillary (NO OTHER OPTIONS)

• sleeper

  

  gut;1810234 wrote:But the elephant in the room is, even if the polls favor Trump....he has a HORRIBLE ground game/infrastructure. The Clinton/Obama machine will do a much better job of turning out the vote, and [complete guess] that is probably worth at least 2 points on election day.

  Understatement of the century.
  
  Trump needs at least a 10 point edge in the polls for me to even take these seriously. Democrats will bring people in by the busloads to vote for HRC and I don't see Trump having anything to counter that.
• QuakerOats

  Understood. Also of note, Republican registrations are outpacing dems by significant numbers, in significant states.
• QuakerOats

  sleeper;1810237 wrote:Understatement of the century.
  
  Trump needs at least a 10 point edge in the polls for me to even take these seriously. Democrats will bring people in by the busloads to vote for HRC and I don't see Trump having anything to counter that.

  
  Believe me, if you thought the dem voting fraud was bad with obama, we ain't seen nothing yet with the Clinton crime machine.
• sleeper

  

  QuakerOats;1810239 wrote:Believe me, if you thought the dem voting fraud was bad with obama, we ain't seen nothing yet with the Clinton crime machine.

  I don't doubt that at all. What is Trump going to do about it?
• O-Trap

  

  sleeper;1810240 wrote:I don't doubt that at all. What is Trump going to do about it?

  Probably pay someone to build a wall somewhere.
• FatHobbit

  

  O-Trap;1810241 wrote:Probably pay someone to build a wall somewhere.

  He'll make Clinton pay to have that wall built
• O-Trap

  

  FatHobbit;1810245 wrote:He'll make Clinton pay to have that wall built

  And he'll have a taco truck on the job site for the workers.
• QuakerOats

  sleeper;1810240 wrote:I don't doubt that at all. What is Trump going to do about it?

  
  Make voting republican great again.
• Heretic

  

  sleeper;1810240 wrote:I don't doubt that at all. What is Trump going to do about it?

  Tweet angrily.
• QuakerOats

  http://www.claremont.org/crb/basicpage/the-flight-93-election/
  
  
  Helluva read for the weekend.
  
  Good luck and God bless.
• bases_loaded

  

  My new prediction. Joe to the rescue.
• QuakerOats

  Trump up 5 in Ohio per new Bloomberg poll.
• sleeper

  

  QuakerOats;1810915 wrote:Trump up 5 in Ohio per new Bloomberg poll.

  Incredible.
  
  I think HRC's health and the "deplorables" comment are really starting to hurt her. I still believe she is the favorite and my vote has not changed. I do not want to see a President Trump even if it means electing a corrupt politician.
• QuakerOats

  Voting for her is tacit approval of criminal activity; those who do are culpable.
• sleeper

  

  QuakerOats;1810921 wrote:Voting for her is tacit approval of criminal activity; those who do are culpable.

  The alternative is much worse. Trump doesn't understand how the world works and frankly I'm uncomfortable letting a complete wildcard have the keys to nuclear weapons.
  
  That's a good enough reason to vote for anyone but Trump and right now HRC is the best option to keep Trump out of office. I would have voted happily for any other Republican but the R's chose Trump so they will get HRC in the White House.
• rocketalum

  I do still think Hillary gets the win just because of the rather large electoral college advantage that any D candidate starts off with from the states that will always go blue. In order for that trend to be reversed and have enough states flip red you need a candidate than can win over moderates and independents. I do think Trump will flip a few states from 2012 but not enough given his limited appeal to the middle of the political spectrum. Hillary is so awful though that I do think she comes very close to squandering that inherent advantage. I'm calling 279 Hillary to 259 Trump.
• Crimson streak

  

  rocketalum;1810923 wrote:I do still think Hillary gets the win just because of the rather large electoral college advantage that any D candidate starts off with from the states that will always go blue. In order for that trend to be reversed and have enough states flip red you need a candidate than can win over moderates and independents. I do think Trump will flip a few states from 2012 but not enough given his limited appeal to the middle of the political spectrum. Hillary is so awful though that I do think she comes very close to squandering that inherent advantage. I'm calling 279 Hillary to 259 Trump.

  Living in PA, Pa has always been a blue state but with the way its trending I really think PA will be red this year. That is a huge state for Hillary to lose. This will probably be one of the closest elections we've had
  
  
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• QuakerOats

  That would be huge, I mean bigly.
  
  If Trump wins PA, he will win the election.
• Crimson streak

  

  QuakerOats;1810926 wrote:That would be huge, I mean bigly.
  
  If Trump wins PA, he will win the election.

  He'll Hillary had a rally here in Harrisburg and about 900 people showed up. Trump had one a few days later and over 15,000 people showed up and more turned away. It was craziest thing I've ever seen for a rally in this area.
  
  
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• rocketalum

  Agreed if Trump wins PA, he wins the whole thing. I'm guessing he flips Ohio and Florida but right now still think PA will go her way. It all depends on if there's enough rural turnout to outweigh Philly and Pittsburgh. In 2012 Obama got 350,000 votes in Allegheny county (pittsburgh) alone. There were many tiny counties that Romney won that had less than 30k total votes cast. That's a lot of small counties to win by huge margins in order to overcome the big city swing toward D's
• sleeper

  

  Crimson streak;1810928 wrote:He'll Hillary had a rally here in Harrisburg and about 900 people showed up. Trump had one a few days later and over 15,000 people showed up and more turned away. It was craziest thing I've ever seen for a rally in this area.
  
  
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  Rally attendance isn't a good predictor of voting turnout. Ron Paul and Bernie had huge rallies but neither ended up being relevant in the Primaries.
  
  Trump needs to start organizing a strong ground game to get out the vote because you can bet the bank on HRC having busses of people coming in to vote for her.
• bases_loaded

  

  They will vote early and often in Cleveland, Philadelphia, etc.
• QuakerOats

  sleeper;1810922 wrote:The alternative is much worse. Trump doesn't understand how the world works and frankly I'm uncomfortable letting a complete wildcard have the keys to nuclear weapons.
  
  That's a good enough reason to vote for anyone but Trump and right now HRC is the best option to keep Trump out of office. I would have voted happily for any other Republican but the R's chose Trump so they will get HRC in the White House.

  
  Simply not even close to being true.
  
  Trump would nominate conservatives to the supreme court and appoint relatively conservative federal judges across the country; Clinton would not.
  
  Trump would sign the bill repealing obamaKare; Clinton would not.
  
  Trump would sign the bill lowering corporate tax rates to 15%; Clinton would not.
  
  Trump would implement the regulatory moratorium; Clinton would not.
  
  Trump would limit the flow of illegal aliens; Clinton would not, in fact she would keep the borders open and give them a vote.
  
  Trump would strengthen the military; Clinton would not.
  
  Trump would stand with the police; Clinton would not.
  
  Trump would not be politically correct; Clinton would expand cultural Marxism.
  
  
  And on and on and on ......................
  
  
  
  
  Mind boggling to think that other-wise intelligent people could hand her the keys, when we have a chance to turn the ship around.
• sleeper

  

  QuakerOats;1810936 wrote:Simply not even close to being true.
  
  Trump would nominate conservatives to the supreme court and appoint relatively conservative federal judges across the country; Clinton would not.
  
  Trump would sign the bill repealing obamaKare; Clinton would not.
  
  Trump would sign the bill lowering corporate tax rates to 15%; Clinton would not.
  
  Trump would implement the regulatory moratorium; Clinton would not.
  
  Trump would limit the flow of illegal aliens; Clinton would not, in fact she would keep the borders open and give them a vote.
  
  Trump would strengthen the military; Clinton would not.
  
  Trump would stand with the police; Clinton would not.
  
  Trump would not be politically correct; Clinton would expand cultural Marxism.
  
  
  And on and on and on ......................
  
  
  
  
  Mind boggling to think that other-wise intelligent people could hand her the keys, when we have a chance to turn the ship around.

  None of those are a big enough concern to vote Donald Trump as President. He is a national embarrassment at best and has no business being President.
• Crimson streak

  

  rocketalum;1810930 wrote:Agreed if Trump wins PA, he wins the whole thing. I'm guessing he flips Ohio and Florida but right now still think PA will go her way. It all depends on if there's enough rural turnout to outweigh Philly and Pittsburgh. In 2012 Obama got 350,000 votes in Allegheny county (pittsburgh) alone. There were many tiny counties that Romney won that had less than 30k total votes cast. That's a lot of small counties to win by huge margins in order to overcome the big city swing toward D's

  I know the Harrisburg area is probably the 3rd biggest area in the state and I'd definitely say by far that it is mostly trump
  
  
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