Republican debates/primaries.

• QuakerOats

  Heretic;1776989 wrote:That tend to be mainly conservative in nature. With over-the-top headlines written by a tabloid guy to draw in the rubes, as you demonstrate regularly with your cutting and pasting of links.

  
  You too may not know much about Drudge. I just perused the site and there are at least 5 articles from the New York Times, half dozen or so from CBS News, along with reports from the Washington Post, Washington Examiner, Politico, The Hill, Fox News, ABC News, CNBC, Breitbart, AccuWeather, CNN, USA Today, Bloomberg, US News, Daily Mail, Yahoo News, and few others. A very broad cross section of articles, obviously, and continuously updated. Ahh, but you guys know it all.
• ZWICK 4 PREZ

  

  jmog;1776993 wrote:Zwick do you admit or deny that Sander's wants/policies are basically European socialistic in nature? I hope you admit it because he has came right out and compared his policies to those countries time and time again.
  
  Of course, who cares if it is the countries that have had major financial crisis in the last 5 years or so, that's besides the point.

  Sure they are. Those countries have also been around a lot longer than us.
  
  Now.. are you willing to admit that given our enormous, ever growing poor class, and massive inequality in wealth, that Capitalism isn't purely a perfect system?
• sleeper

  

  ZWICK 4 PREZ;1776986 wrote:just stop it. no ones suggesting that.

  You are suggestion government run health insurance? Why just that? Why not every industry?
• jmog

  ZWICK 4 PREZ;1776996 wrote:Sure they are. Those countries have also been around a lot longer than us.
  
  Now.. are you willing to admit that given our enormous, ever growing poor class, and massive inequality in wealth, that Capitalism isn't purely a perfect system?

  So, you admit that Sanders wants us to head toward European Socialism, you have seen the recent economic collapses in those countries, but yet you still want him as our POTUS?
  
  Like I said, those that vote for Sanders don't understand economics and/or history, because the information is right there less than 5 years old.
  
  Pure capitalism does create huge wealth gaps, similar to those in India (you have been there, our wealth gap pales in comparison, you know it, I know it). However, we haven't been a pure capitalist system in close to 100 years. So your question doesn't really apply since we aren't purely capitalistic and haven't been for many decades.
  
  So no, our "income inequality" while obviously greater than those European socialist countries you want us to emulate, it is not that bad compared to the rest of the free world. Those that have been anywhere outside of our country can see this.
  
  Glad to know you are a "distribute the wealth" kind of guy, makes it easier to understand why you like HuffPo, Sanders, and buy into the liberal crap out there.
  
  Sorry Zwick, I'd like to keep my money from my well paying engineering gig, you apparently want to lose more than half of yours.
• Apple

  

  sleeper;1776998 wrote:You are suggestion government run health insurance? Why just that? Why not every industry?

  
  Fascism:from here: http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/fascism1.(sometimes initial capital letter) a governmental system led by adictator having complete power, forcibly suppressing opposition and criticism, regimenting all industry, commerce, etc., and emphasizingan aggressive nationalism and often racism.
  
• HitsRus

  

  In his younger days, Sanders advocated for just that... Especially nationalizing the oil industry.
• jmog

  HitsRus;1777006 wrote:In his younger days, Sanders advocated for just that... Especially nationalizing the oil industry.

  In other words, he is a socialist and isn't hesitant about confirming it.
  
  I guess we will see if the country is dumb enough to elect an admitted socialist.
• ZWICK 4 PREZ

  

  jmog;1777003 wrote:So, you admit that Sanders wants us to head toward European Socialism, you have seen the recent economic collapses in those countries, but yet you still want him as our POTUS?
  
  Like I said, those that vote for Sanders don't understand economics and/or history, because the information is right there less than 5 years old.
  
  Pure capitalism does create huge wealth gaps, similar to those in India (you have been there, our wealth gap pales in comparison, you know it, I know it). However, we haven't been a pure capitalist system in close to 100 years. So your question doesn't really apply since we aren't purely capitalistic and haven't been for many decades.
  
  So no, our "income inequality" while obviously greater than those European socialist countries you want us to emulate, it is not that bad compared to the rest of the free world. Those that have been anywhere outside of our country can see this.
  
  Glad to know you are a "distribute the wealth" kind of guy, makes it easier to understand why you like HuffPo, Sanders, and buy into the liberal crap out there.
  
  Sorry Zwick, I'd like to keep my money from my well paying engineering gig, you apparently want to lose more than half of yours.

  And I'd like to not bankrupt our government by continuing to grow a poor class that even you couldn't claim isn't growing exponentially. The path we're on isn't sustainable. Our system has gotten rid of jobs, shrunk the middle class, grown the poor class and left an entire generation with nothing. And you want to follow the status quo?
• QuakerOats

  ZWICK 4 PREZ;1777039 wrote:And I'd like to not bankrupt our government

  
  You actually just wrote that ????????
  
  
  It is BIG government that is bankrupting The People.
  
  It is BIG government that is distorting markets.
  
  It is BIG government that is creating our problems.
  
  It is BIG government that then thinks it knows how to solve the problems it created, with more BIG government.
  
  
  
  GET IN THE GAME, Man.
• ZWICK 4 PREZ

  

  QuakerOats;1777042 wrote:You actually just wrote that ????????
  
  
  It is BIG government that is bankrupting The People.
  
  It is BIG government that is distorting markets.
  
  It is BIG government that is creating our problems.
  
  It is BIG government that then thinks it knows how to solve the problems it created, with more BIG government.
  
  
  
  GET IN THE GAME, Man.

  It's no one having jobs and adding more people to welfare that's bankrupting us. Is big government sending jobs to China or are companies? I didn't realize big government sat on so many boards.
• jmog

  ZWICK 4 PREZ;1777039 wrote:And I'd like to not bankrupt our government by continuing to grow a poor class that even you couldn't claim isn't growing exponentially. The path we're on isn't sustainable. Our system has gotten rid of jobs, shrunk the middle class, grown the poor class and left an entire generation with nothing. And you want to follow the status quo?

  Did you REALLY just post that you don't want to bankrupt the government in the same thread that you are supporting Sanders? You can't be serious Zwick.
• jmog

  ZWICK 4 PREZ;1777043 wrote:It's no one having jobs and adding more people to welfare that's bankrupting us. Is big government sending jobs to China or are companies? I didn't realize big government sat on so many boards.

  Big government regulations have most certainly shipped jobs overseas.
  
  It is definitely a balancing act. Government can not have zero regulations or businesses will take advantage and put out harmful products or harm the environment.
  
  However, we have already gone past the tipping point of that scale and you want it to go further.
• Dr Winston O'Boogie

  

  QuakerOats;1776994 wrote:You too may not know much about Drudge. I just perused the site and there are at least 5 articles from the New York Times, half dozen or so from CBS News, along with reports from the Washington Post, Washington Examiner, Politico, The Hill, Fox News, ABC News, CNBC, Breitbart, AccuWeather, CNN, USA Today, Bloomberg, US News, Daily Mail, Yahoo News, and few others. A very broad cross section of articles, obviously, and continuously updated. Ahh, but you guys know it all.

  Heretic's point is valid. Drudge links all sites - if the story on the link supports the theme. He is an unabashed conservative and that's fine. His headlines and pictures are what makes his theme (kind of a picture book for right wingers). The game plan is to listen to Limbaugh's talking points (like his fixation on the conspiracy of the "elite") and then support the narrative with Drudge headlines. Easy enough.
• like_that

  

  ZWICK 4 PREZ;1777039 wrote:And I'd like to not bankrupt our government by continuing to grow a poor class that even you couldn't claim isn't growing exponentially. The path we're on isn't sustainable. Our system has gotten rid of jobs, shrunk the middle class, grown the poor class and left an entire generation with nothing. And you want to follow the status quo?

  And how do you think Bernie is going to create more jobs? By raising the minimum wage? Handing out free education? Can you just admit you and bernie are socialists? The only reason Bernie calls himself a "democratic" socialist is for people like you who are in denial of themselves being socialists. As somebody on here said before, you can put lipstick on a pig, but it is still a pig.
  

  ZWICK 4 PREZ;1777043 wrote:It's no one having jobs and adding more people to welfare that's bankrupting us. Is big government sending jobs to China or are companies? I didn't realize big government sat on so many boards.

  So government policies and regulations have nothing to do with these companies moving overseas? :rolleyes:
• QuakerOats

  ZWICK 4 PREZ;1777043 wrote:It's no one having jobs and adding more people to welfare that's bankrupting us. Is big government sending jobs to China or are companies? I didn't realize big government sat on so many boards.

  
  When BIG government becomes the largest adversary/competitor a business faces, capital generally flees.
  
  Between the EPA, the NLRB, the IRS, OSHA, MSHA, and obamaKare, I am surprised there are any businesses left in the U.S. I wouldn't invest a dime in this country until these radical marxists are purged from government.
• ZWICK 4 PREZ

  

  jmog;1777048 wrote:Big government regulations have most certainly shipped jobs overseas.
  
  It is definitely a balancing act. Government can not have zero regulations or businesses will take advantage and put out harmful products or harm the environment.
  
  However, we have already gone past the tipping point of that scale and you want it to go further.

  Yeah big government regulations is the reason jobs go to third world countries. Gtfooh
  Cheap labor is the sole reason.
• ZWICK 4 PREZ

  

  like_that;1777057 wrote:And how do you think Bernie is going to create more jobs? By raising the minimum wage? Handing out free education? Can you just admit you and bernie are socialists? The only reason Bernie calls himself a "democratic" socialist is for people like you who are in denial of themselves being socialists. As somebody on here said before, you can put lipstick on a pig, but it is still a pig.
  
  
  So government policies and regulations have nothing to do with these companies moving overseas? :rolleyes:

  It's 25 cents a day and no benefits to workers. But let's ignore that fact.
• jmog

  ZWICK 4 PREZ;1777063 wrote:Yeah big government regulations is the reason jobs go to third world countries. Gtfooh
  Cheap labor is the sole reason.

  Cheaper cost of production. Part of the cost of production is government regulations as well as the government getting rid of tariffs and passing NAFTA.
  
  Funny that you cite labor cost but yet your candidate is one that supports a $15 minimum wage.
• ZWICK 4 PREZ

  

  jmog;1777066 wrote:Cheaper cost of production. Part of the cost of production is government regulations as well as the government getting rid of tariffs and passing NAFTA.
  
  Funny that you cite labor cost but yet your candidate is one that supports a $15 minimum wage.

  I support a candidate who supports a 15 dollar minimum wage because our businesses have left an entire generation with minimum wage service jobs and our economy will fucking suck of we don't have people who can afford anything. So yeah. We need to give people money so they can afford to buy things. That's how our economy works after all.
• like_that

  

  ZWICK 4 PREZ;1777069 wrote:I support a candidate who supports a 15 dollar minimum wage because our businesses have left an entire generation with minimum wage service jobs and our economy will fucking suck of we don't have people who can afford anything. So yeah. We need to give people money so they can afford to buy things. That's how our economy works after all.

  Or it will force businesses to hire less people, find other resources to get their work done (I.e. kiosks at a restaurant, increase hours, etc), or raise their prices. That's how businesses and the economy work after all.
  
  Don't be so naive. If you owned a small business where you could get the work done with one person or more efficiently with two, you would hire two people if it were in your budget. If minimum wage was raised on you and you could no longer afford both employees you eventually would have to let one go. One employee's quality of life would improve while the other would be jobless.
  
  
  Again, another ideological policy that only sounds good before you think about it logically.
• ZWICK 4 PREZ

  

  like_that;1777082 wrote:Or it will force businesses to hire less people, find other resources to get their work done (I.e. kiosks at a restaurant, increase hours, etc), or raise their prices. That's how businesses and the economy work after all.
  
  Don't be so naive. If you owned a small business where you could get the work done with one person or more efficiently with two, you would hire two people if it were in your budget. If minimum wage was raised on you and you could no longer afford both employees you eventually would have to let one go. One employee's quality of life would improve while the other would be jobless.
  
  
  Again, another ideological policy that only sounds good before you think about it logically.

  So let's hear your answer. You're great at picking everyone else's apart but you never offer anything. That is your schtick though.
• jmog

  ZWICK 4 PREZ;1777069 wrote:I support a candidate who supports a 15 dollar minimum wage because our businesses have left an entire generation with minimum wage service jobs and our economy will fucking suck of we don't have people who can afford anything. So yeah. We need to give people money so they can afford to buy things. That's how our economy works after all.

  You contradict yourself Zwick. You state the main reason businesses ship jobs overseas is cheap labor but then say the way to push our economy is to raise minimum wage to $15. No way a reasonable person can agree with both of those statements without falling hook line and sinker with the far left wing talking points. Those two positions can not coincide in any logical thinking person.
• ZWICK 4 PREZ

  

  jmog;1777102 wrote:You contradict yourself Zwick. You state the main reason businesses ship jobs overseas is cheap labor but then say the way to push our economy is to raise minimum wage to $15. No way a reasonable person can agree with both of those statements without falling hook line and sinker with the far left wing talking points. Those two positions can not coincide in any logical thinking person.

  I don't get what you're missing. The jobs are already gone. The damage is done. The only jobs left are what can't be shipped overseas because they're service jobs in America. Minimum wage service jobs. Either we pay those positions more or we continue to grow a poor class and continue to sink further into recession.
• like_that

  

  ZWICK 4 PREZ;1777083 wrote:So let's hear your answer. You're great at picking everyone else's apart but you never offer anything. That is your schtick though.

  
  Well the discussion turned into Bernie sanders and your defense of him, thus why the conversation surrounded you. I take this response as you either deflecting because you can't handle the heat of your logic, or you know if you were a business owner raising the minimum wage would not work.
  
  I've provided my views plenty of times, and you responded in a smug manner. That is your schtick though. The tl;dr version of it is less government, less regulation, and if the government were to regulate how about incentive businesses instead of going out of their ways to fine them. States do it all the, thats a major reason why NCR moved from Dayton (Dayton's last fortune 500 company) to Georgia.
• like_that

  

  ZWICK 4 PREZ;1777123 wrote:I don't get what you're missing. The jobs are already gone. The damage is done. The only jobs left are what can't be shipped overseas because they're service jobs in America. Minimum wage service jobs. Either we pay those positions more or we continue to grow a poor class and continue to sink further into recession.

  And raising the min wage will just decrease jobs, increase prices at businesses, and ultimately encourage businesses to leave. It especially is going to be a complete failure when you have people purposely working only part time hours so they can still collect unemployment, which allegedly is already being done in Seattle.
  
  You can always suck up your pride and bring the businesses back. Most US businessmen would be happy to bring back their business to the states.