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  • BoatShoes
    QuakerOats;1777246 wrote:Silly you; tax cuts do not "cost"; they add to the net income of wage earners. And the side benefit is, maybe D.C. has to get smaller.

    Tell me we are going to have to educate you again on this topic for what, the 15th time.
    Sigh...They cost when you will not cut government spending when you cut them and Donald Trump believes in the same healthcare plan as Bernie (not to mention massive Homeland Security spending), Jeb and Marco believe in increasing military spending, etc.

    Just look at what your boy Paul Ryan helped Obama pass with the latest Omnibus.

    You ain't cutting spending. Hope that helps.
  • BoatShoes
    QuakerOats;1776994 wrote:You too may not know much about Drudge.
    I know that Drudge (like Rush) only really cares about money and so has been complicit in the rise of Trump and it brings teh lulz because millions of Conservatives think he cares about telling them the TROOF.
  • like_that
    BoatShoes;1777252 wrote:The United States has the lowest uninsured rate in its history and healthcare cost increases have slowed. Some bloated companies like UHC are complaining about how it has been hard to compete in the individual market but competition brings out the best.

    People have been predicting the impending doom of Obummercare since it came out...none of that came true and none of it is going to.

    There has always been an element on the left who would have only been satisfied with eliminating all for-profit motive from healthcare.
    Yeah it's a perfect system. That's why deductibles are raising the roof, insurance companies are dropping out, and we are now talking about single payer. Perfect system though!
  • BoatShoes
    jmog;1776975 wrote:All one needs to know is look at the fact that the European Union. The best capitalistic country (Germany) had to bail out most of the socialistic countries so that the whole Union didn't crash.

    If Greece, Italy, Scandinavian states, etc are what you strive the US to be, then by all means vote for Sanders. However, realize the economic blight most of them have been in recently. Look at the collapse of the USSR. It collapsed due to financial strains, not because of some war.

    History will repeat itself if the US keeps heading down this road, our financial security as a nation will collapse as well.
    Germany is every bit as "socialist" as the rest of Europe and the reason they have dominated is because of the tremendous mistake that is the EURO which prevents countries like Greece and Italy from devaluing.
  • QuakerOats
    BoatShoes;1777252 wrote:The United States has the lowest uninsured rate in its history and healthcare cost increases have slowed. Some bloated companies like UHC are complaining about how it has been hard to compete in the individual market but competition brings out the best.

    People have been predicting the impending doom of Obummercare since it came out...none of that came true and none of it is going to.

    There has always been an element on the left who would have only been satisfied with eliminating all for-profit motive from healthcare.

    Not an ounce of fact in anything above, but when did that ever stop your marxist propaganda.


    We are now increasing our deficit at a 24% clip; these same half-trillion dollar annual deficits obama has been rolling up after he stopped rolling up trillion dollar deficits. We also still have over 30 million uninsured people 6 years after the bill was signed, and the only ones who signed up are on medicaid. It is the biggest legislative and administrative disaster in the history of the country. Further, it is threatening the most important part of the industry --- the actual CARE part of healthcare.

    But by God if it means more federal authority over our lives and less freedom and choice, then we damn well better do it.

    Fuck off.
  • QuakerOats
    BoatShoes;1777253 wrote:Sigh...They cost when you will not cut government spending when you cut them and Donald Trump believes in the same healthcare plan as Bernie (not to mention massive Homeland Security spending), Jeb and Marco believe in increasing military spending, etc.

    Just look at what your boy Paul Ryan helped Obama pass with the latest Omnibus.

    You ain't cutting spending. Hope that helps.


    True conservatives would cut spending; that is the difference between them and the marxists parading around as democrats.
  • sleeper
    ZWICK 4 PREZ;1777221 wrote:Not sure why this would be shocking to you? I think most people with a decent grasp of the American economy knows and acknowledges this.
    The irony is real.
  • BoatShoes
    jmog;1777003 wrote:So, you admit that Sanders wants us to head toward European Socialism, you have seen the recent economic collapses in those countries, but yet you still want him as our POTUS?
    The European Union produced $18.5 trillion worth of world GDP in 2014 - more than the United States of America. That is not an economic collapse. They have hampered themselves with the EURO but nothing even close to a collapse.
  • Belly35
    Reality Check: Increasing the minimum wage for “service job” … how the fuck are you going to control “who service job and who not” the Unions will be all over this trying to get a piece of the action for every labor position. It called “minimum wage” across the board. Let separate minimum wage increase to $15.00 via who is a felon and non felons...
    Non- felons get $15.00, felons get $9.50 think that will work?

    Second lesson reality check: Z4P this will burn your ass for sure.
    I had my products, engineered, designed, tooled, pc boards, programmed, built and manufacture in China why?
    To manufacture a product you need engineering, design, tooling, molds, pc board, programming, testing, production, packaging and labor.
    Let address the first seven items:
    As a example: For me to begin to take my product to the market the first seven items would have cost via using US base companies for their services (is engineering a service job $15.00), design, tool / die, molds, pc board, programmed , tested… $300,000.00 I have the quotes to prove it. All local companies and two you Z4P worked for.
    To have the first seven items done in China my cost …. Under $50,000
    Here is how this works: China government adds $100,000, other companies within China
    who want the job adds a bid for the project… $50,000 or more to win the project. This secures the manufacturing, production, and packaging for the company. They control the drawing, tooling,/dies, molds and programming .. Hate dealing with China but as a small entrepreneur what options do I have?
    My out of pocket cost for American service $300,000 vs My China out of pocket $50,000

    Note: Production, Packaging could be achieve by automation with good paying labor jobs. I can prove this point also…China labor via quality control, over inventory, loan interest, shipping, import tax, other taxes, carrier freight etc etc… One American Labor at $15.00 operating a automation equipment plus the cost of equipment operation can out produce 20 China workers…

    Federal Government waste per year 125 billion in spending, Federal money sent to hostile countries in the form of Aid and Military 32 Billion….
    With that type of money Federal Grants, Funds and Manufacturing Aid for American Entrepreneur to engineer, design, develop, production, manufacturing could be achieved with all American companies. Engineered and Made in America can be achieved.

    The reason we lost American jobs to foreign counties is not because of labor it because of government waste and politician are not entrepreneurs thinkers… they don’t know how to make money or produce anything they just take money and produce nothing.
  • BoatShoes
    QuakerOats;1777260 wrote:True conservatives would cut spending; that is the difference between them and the marxists parading around as democrats.
    Ah yes...the mythical True Conservatives (TM) who are as rare as unicorns. There has not been a Republican in the modern era who has matched his tax cuts with concrete spending cuts. And your frontrunner has the same healthcare plan as Bernie Sanders. Congrats.
  • BoatShoes
    QuakerOats;1777259 wrote:Not an ounce of fact in anything above, but when did that ever stop your marxist propaganda.


    We are now increasing our deficit at a 24% clip; these same half-trillion dollar annual deficits obama has been rolling up after he stopped rolling up trillion dollar deficits. We also still have over 30 million uninsured people 6 years after the bill was signed, and the only ones who signed up are on medicaid. It is the biggest legislative and administrative disaster in the history of the country. Further, it is threatening the most important part of the industry --- the actual CARE part of healthcare.

    But by God if it means more federal authority over our lives and less freedom and choice, then we damn well better do it.

    Fuck off.
    The mindless sputtering that one resorts to when a liberal New Yorker who believes in Single Payer is about to win Iowa and New Hampshire as a Republican.
  • QuakerOats
    BoatShoes;1777271 wrote:Ah yes...the mythical True Conservatives (TM) who are as rare as unicorns. There has not been a Republican in the modern era who has matched his tax cuts with concrete spending cuts. And your frontrunner has the same healthcare plan as Bernie Sanders. Congrats.
    You don't need to "match them", tax cuts spur much more growth, and that growth leads to greater tax revenues.

    Why do you punish the board with having to re-hash history over and over and over ......
  • BoatShoes
    like_that;1777256 wrote:Yeah it's a perfect system. That's why deductibles are raising the roof, insurance companies are dropping out, and we are now talking about single payer. Perfect system though!
    I didn't say it is a perfect system. You said it was struggling and only going to get worse. The opposite is true.

    The only people talking about Single Payer are Bernie Sanders and Donald Trump. Single Payer ain't gonna happen.
  • QuakerOats
    BoatShoes;1777274 wrote:The mindless sputtering that one resorts to when a liberal New Yorker who believes in Single Payer is about to win Iowa and New Hampshire as a Republican.

    So you think Trump would have signed the obamaKare bill ----------------- hilarious.
  • BoatShoes
    QuakerOats;1777275 wrote:You don't need to "match them", tax cuts spur much more growth, and that growth leads to greater tax revenues.

    Why do you punish the board with having to re-hash history over and over and over ......
    JFK, Ronald Reagan and George W. Bush all had to have deficit spending when they cut taxes and didn't cut spending. And this is the state of the GOP - can't even accept reality.

    To paraphrase George W's economic adviser and Republican Greg Mankiw - the suggestion that you can cut taxes without cutting spending and not increase the deficit is the stuff of charlatans and cranks - which sums up QuackerOats pretty well.
  • BoatShoes
    QuakerOats;1777277 wrote:So you think Trump would have signed the obamaKare bill ----------------- hilarious.
    No he would have signed Single Payer and made Mexico pay for it.
  • QuakerOats
    Revenues increased 100% under Reagan due to sharp reductions in rates; then the democrats controlling congress spent it all, after reneging on their promise not to. This is what lying liberals always do though; spend other people's money, and beyond.
  • BoatShoes
    On the same page Quacker has said that a True Conservative (TM) would cut spending when cutting taxes but then implied that a True Conservative need not do so because such tremendous levels of growth will be unearthed that the need to raise taxes to avoid deficit spending becomes irrelevant. Which is it Quacker? To what doctrine should President Trump subscribe so that he can usher in his tax cuts + single payer + operation wetback 2.0???
  • QuakerOats
    We could EASILY cut federal spending by 20%. Or, we could freeze absolute spending for 5 years, and cut tax rates to spur growth and incremental revenues, but that would require an American in the White House who understands business and economics, not a marxist hell bent on assaulting capitalism through federal edict.

    We don't just need a balanced budget, we need surpluses to pay down debt, at the same time we need to sell nearly all federal assets to pay off debt. Getting rid of the assets will go a long way to dramatically downsizing federal government; we have to force it to happen.
  • jmog
    ZWICK 4 PREZ;1777123 wrote:I don't get what you're missing. The jobs are already gone. The damage is done. The only jobs left are what can't be shipped overseas because they're service jobs in America. Minimum wage service jobs. Either we pay those positions more or we continue to grow a poor class and continue to sink further into recession.
    You have already seen the result. Less hours and kiosks doing what a cashier does. How is that helping the workers? Come on Zwick, they were told this would happen, said "no it won't" and in Cities where min wage has been raised workers are replaced with machines.

    That and/or the cost of living has gone up (prices for Chipotle, etc) to cover the higher wages. So, what did those workers gain? Either they lost their job, get less hours, or the prices for most things in their area went up.

    Basic econimics told politicians this would happen and it did.
  • BoatShoes
    QuakerOats;1777285 wrote:Revenues increased 100% under Reagan due to sharp reductions in rates; then the democrats controlling congress spent it all, after reneging on their promise not to. This is what lying liberals always do though; spend other people's money, and beyond.
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  • jmog
    BoatShoes;1777237 wrote:I read what you wrote. You called anybody who voted for Bernie a moron who doesn't understand economics, history or politics...not just politics. Claiming Noah's Ark was real and had dinosaurs on it is a historical claim.

    And sorry, you're simply wrong. Again. Canada just elected a Prime Minister who is more liberal/progressive/socialist than Bernie and it isn't failing by any stretch of the imagination and has had Bernie's healthcare plan for years and years.

    In fact, as Drudge linked to the other day...Canada (along with Germany and the United Kingdom - both of which have much more socialized healthcare systems than the United States) was ranked higher than the United States in the list of "Best Countries in the World"

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2016/01/20/these-are-the-worlds-best-countries-sorry-america-youre-number-4/

    Maybe the millions and millions of people who don't agree with you aren't morons???
    Stating Noah's ark was a possibility and not precluded by science is not the same as saying it was a historical fact. Given the fact that if it did happen written language did not exist at the time you are 100% wrong, it is NOT a history discussion, it is a science/archaeology discussion. History discussions can only be had on things that have been written down by historians. Hard to write something down that happened or didn't happen before written language existed.

    Canada just elected someone, as in recently. Give them time, they will either fail financially like all other socialist nations have or they will become the first that doesn't. Stating someone was JUST elected doesn't disprove history as there has not been time yet to see the results. Greece, USSR, Italy, Spain, all recent socialist economies that failed miserably, and you want to point to a just elected Canadian official? You can't be serious.
  • jmog
    BoatShoes;1777258 wrote:Germany is every bit as "socialist" as the rest of Europe and the reason they have dominated is because of the tremendous mistake that is the EURO which prevents countries like Greece and Italy from devaluing.
    Germany's economy is not nearly as socialist as the others. Compared to the rest of the European Union Germany is a staunch capitalist nation, even if they are more socialist than the US. So yes, the most capitalist company in the union had to bail out he more socialist ones.
  • jmog
    BoatShoes;1777268 wrote:The European Union produced $18.5 trillion worth of world GDP in 2014 - more than the United States of America. That is not an economic collapse. They have hampered themselves with the EURO but nothing even close to a collapse.
    Did I say in 2014? I know you like to twist people's words, but I was talking about the economic collapse that they had to get bailed out of a few years ago.
  • jmog
    BoatShoes;1777294 wrote:[/IMG]
    Be intellectually honest BS. He said revenues, you post a graph about deficits.

    It it is well documented that Raegan wanted spending cuts to go with the tax cuts. The D held Congress promised spending cuts would come later. They never came.