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  • ZWICK 4 PREZ
    jmog;1776794 wrote:Be intellectually honest Zwick. You are a smart man. You and I both know to pay for those will come from the rich AND middle class, period. The middle class will get hit hard if Sanders gets what he wants passed.

    Anyone who doesn't get this either isn't being honest or they don't understand economics.
    Well of course the taxes will affect the middle class with his plans for a single payer system since you'll be paying for healthcare via your taxes. You'll also not be paying into private insurance anymore unless you so choose to. Either way the middle class will be paying a net less money unless they choose to purchase their own private insurance.
  • ZWICK 4 PREZ
    jmog;1776795 wrote:Have you watched anything but MSNBC or read anything but HuffPo lately? You are really just regurgitating their talking points.

    I am guessing Zwick's wife is extremely liberal because I don't remember him being this in the tank for the liberal elites before he was married. :)
    I don't watch any tv news but yes I do mostly read Huffington Post.

    My wifes family is EXTEMELY pro GOP and especially my MIL's craziness drives out the leftist in me. My wife supports Trump, which is idiotic, but her choice.
  • Belly35
    ZWICK 4 PREZ;1776810 wrote:I don't watch any tv news but yes I do mostly read Huffington Post.

    My wifes family is EXTEMELY pro GOP and especially my MIL's craziness drives out the leftist in me. My wife supports Trump, which is idiotic, but her choice.
    Listen to your wife ... she has wisdom beyond your white ping ball cap backwards on your head .. bro :)
  • Dr Winston O'Boogie
    Sarah Palin has thrown her great insights into Trump's campaign. Now you have two people who can complain, blame, and propose nothing concrete. She has even been able to work her "going rogue" into the discussion. Tina Fey, we need you.
  • SportsAndLady
    Dr Winston O'Boogie;1776833 wrote:Sarah Palin has thrown her great insights into Trump's campaign. Now you have two people who can complain, blame, and propose nothing concrete. She has even been able to work her "going rogue" into the discussion. Tina Fey, we need you.
    The Dems are afraid of Trump!!!

    /LibtardLogic

    Edit: And I should add /ZwickLogic:
    ZWICK 4 PREZ;1776430 wrote:Lol repubs gettin scared of Bernie.
  • QuakerOats
    ZWICK 4 PREZ;1776775 wrote:Fuck over them lol. Wait are you serious? Fuck over them? They haven't accumulated outrageous amounts of wealth by being fucked over. Quite the opposite actually. We've gotten fucked over at their expense

    You failed public school math and never took a logics course, obviously. You could not tax 'the rich' enough to generate $19 trillion; you could not even steal their accumulated wealth to generate 1/4 of $19 trillion. You also must have failed history because no country has ever succeeded by stealing from the producers to give to the non-producers.

    Maybe you will grow up someday and get in the real world.
  • ZWICK 4 PREZ
    SportsAndLady;1776834 wrote:The Dems are afraid of Trump!!!

    /LibtardLogic

    Edit: And I should add /ZwickLogic:
    Dems have seen Trumps electability ratings.. No one's scared.
  • ZWICK 4 PREZ
    QuakerOats;1776840 wrote:You failed public school math and never took a logics course, obviously. You could not tax 'the rich' enough to generate $19 trillion; you could not even steal their accumulated wealth to generate 1/4 of $19 trillion. You also must have failed history because no country has ever succeeded by stealing from the producers to give to the non-producers.

    Maybe you will grow up someday and get in the real world.
    A. I went to private schools.
    B. Other than jmog, I doubt there's anyone on this website who's taken as many math courses as I have.
    C. You're an idiot.... America's effective tax rate against billionaire's is significantly less than other developed nations.
  • QuakerOats
    1 - The private school liberal indoctrination is not serving you well.

    2 - Then apply your math skills and a little logic to the socialist's tax increases to see its absolute failings.

    3 - I am not an idiot; but I can only lay out the reality; I can't help your inability to understand. As I stated, you can steal all the billionaires' earnings and wealth and you won't scratch the surface of the debt pile the socialists would have us rack up.
  • ZWICK 4 PREZ
    QuakerOats;1776866 wrote:1 - The private school liberal indoctrination is not serving you well.

    2 - Then apply your math skills and a little logic to the socialist's tax increases to see its absolute failings.

    3 - I am not an idiot; but I can only lay out the reality; I can't help your inability to understand. As I stated, you can steal all the billionaires' earnings and wealth and you won't scratch the surface of the debt pile the socialists would have us rack up.

    And
    A. you obviously cant read
    ZWICK 4 PREZ;1776809 wrote:Well of course the taxes will affect the middle class with his plans for a single payer system since you'll be paying for healthcare via your taxes. You'll also not be paying into private insurance anymore unless you so choose to. Either way the middle class will be paying a net less money unless they choose to purchase their own private insurance.
  • jmog
    ZWICK 4 PREZ;1776809 wrote:Well of course the taxes will affect the middle class with his plans for a single payer system since you'll be paying for healthcare via your taxes. You'll also not be paying into private insurance anymore unless you so choose to. Either way the middle class will be paying a net less money unless they choose to purchase their own private insurance.
    You can't be serious and believe that this is the ONLY way the middle class will be paying more in taxes if Sanders gets what he wants.

    Google search his tax hike proposals and while most seem like they only go after "the rich", many do not. And don't use HuffPo or MSNBC to get the information.
  • jmog
    ZWICK 4 PREZ;1776810 wrote:I don't watch any tv news but yes I do mostly read Huffington Post.

    My wifes family is EXTEMELY pro GOP and especially my MIL's craziness drives out the leftist in me. My wife supports Trump, which is idiotic, but her choice.
    If you pretty much get your political news from HuffPo you have as much credibility as those that only get there's from Rush.



    Almost half of those will affect the middle class directly, and one could argue that they all will affect the middle class indirectly.

    Sorry, but I would prefer to keep more of my money than give more of it to a HIGHLY inefficient government.
  • ZWICK 4 PREZ
    jmog;1776882 wrote:You can't be serious and believe that this is the ONLY way the middle class will be paying more in taxes if Sanders gets what he wants.

    Google search his tax hike proposals and while most seem like they only go after "the rich", many do not. And don't use HuffPo or MSNBC to get the information.

    So where should I read it and why are those places accurate and Huff isn't?
  • jmog
    How about starting with a more neutral site. HuffPo is like going right to Rush's or Fox News for your information.

    You are a smart man, I think you know that HuffPo puts a liberal spin on nearly everything just like Rush does with conservative.

    How about Forbes, WSJ, read the chart I posted above (I think it was from the Wash Post), heck, even CNN is better (but not by much a ton).
  • sleeper
    Remember, if you raise the tax rate 10%, you will gain an additional 10% in increased tax revenues.

    Signed,
    Zwick's Econ teacher
  • ZWICK 4 PREZ
    jmog;1776903 wrote:How about starting with a more neutral site. HuffPo is like going right to Rush's or Fox News for your information.

    You are a smart man, I think you know that HuffPo puts a liberal spin on nearly everything just like Rush does with conservative.

    How about Forbes, WSJ, read the chart I posted above (I think it was from the Wash Post), heck, even CNN is better (but not by much a ton).
    I'd agree both are more neutral than huff post, but both are undoubtedly right of center. Both also undoubtedly have their fair share of misinformation. You're obviously also smart enough to acknowledge that.
  • ZWICK 4 PREZ
    sleeper;1776905 wrote:Remember, if you raise the tax rate 10%, you will gain an additional 10% in increased tax revenues.

    Signed,
    Zwick's Econ teacher

    yaaaaaa except no ones suggesting that.
  • HitsRus
    C. You're an idiot.... America's effective tax rate against billionaire's is significantly less than other developed nations.
    There you go again being intellectually dishonest. You know doggone well that you cannot tax "billionaires " enough to cover even a fraction of what he is proposing. The burden will fall on the middle class as it always does .
  • jmog
    ZWICK 4 PREZ;1776909 wrote:I'd agree both are more neutral than huff post, but both are undoubtedly right of center. Both also undoubtedly have their fair share of misinformation. You're obviously also smart enough to acknowledge that.
    I listed more than just Forbes and WSJ, I also listed Wash Post and CNN which both have a liberal lean. You just so happened to ignore those and pick out the 2 that have a slight conservative lean? I can't imagine why?

    You may have a more rounded view on things if you don't subject yourself to something so obviously biased as the HuffPo.

    I liken that to QO who only posts crap from Drudge, Fox News, etc.
  • sleeper
    ZWICK 4 PREZ;1776910 wrote:yaaaaaa except no ones suggesting that.
    Forgive me but didn't the link describe raising the top marginal rate to 52% and then calculating that as additional revenue?

    Do you honestly believe that with the taxes outlined that Bernie will be able to raise anywhere near $19.6T in tax revenue to pay for his programs?
  • sleeper
    HitsRus;1776917 wrote:There you go again being intellectually dishonest. You know doggone well that you cannot tax "billionaires " enough to cover even a fraction of what he is proposing. The burden will fall on the middle class as it always does .
    Pretty much this. The reality is the $19.6T to pay for all these programs will have to come from somewhere other than the ultra wealthy eventually. The numbers simply don't add up.
  • ZWICK 4 PREZ
    HitsRus;1776917 wrote:There you go again being intellectually dishonest. You know doggone well that you cannot tax "billionaires " enough to cover even a fraction of what he is proposing. The burden will fall on the middle class as it always does .
    The bigger issue is with congress he doesn't have a chance to do a fraction of what he wants to do.
  • jmog
    ZWICK 4 PREZ;1776928 wrote:The bigger issue is with congress he doesn't have a chance to do a fraction of what he wants to do.
    Way to dodge the question...

    Let's assume he can get what he wants passed...now answer the question under that assumption.

    You can't honestly believe even MOST of the revenue will come from the "millionaires and billionaires". While they will see the largest tax hikes per person, the bulk of the money is in the middle class currently (due to a ton more people there, simple multiplication), which is where a big portion of the $19.6T would have to come from.

    It is simple logical reasoning Zwick. Either you know it and don't want to admit it or you have been blinded by the HuffPo (I know, strawman before BS comes on here).
  • HitsRus
    Well, thank god for congress!
  • ZWICK 4 PREZ
    jmog;1776918 wrote:I listed more than just Forbes and WSJ, I also listed Wash Post and CNN which both have a liberal lean. You just so happened to ignore those and pick out the 2 that have a slight conservative lean? I can't imagine why?

    You may have a more rounded view on things if you don't subject yourself to something so obviously biased as the HuffPo.

    I liken that to QO who only posts crap from Drudge, Fox News, etc.
    I ignored your post because you blatantly lied and misrepresented your chart as Washington Post when a 3 second google search shows Washington Examiner which, yes, is a conservative hack site.

    CNN is the same as msnbc, fox, cbs.. except slightly worse because they're heavily in the tank for Hillary.