Republican debates/primaries.

• QuakerOats

  Don't waste your time on the re-education; it is hopeless when so many are so insulated from the real world.
  
  When the president can issue a dictatorial fiat to forcibly bankrupt an entire industry and the entrenched insiders yawn, it is obvious where we are headed.
  
  
  
  Effing sickening.
• ptown_trojans_1

  

  Belly35;1785073 wrote:More IRS: Judicial Watch announced that it has obtained documents from the Internal Revenue Service (IRS) that confirm that the IRS used donor lists to tax-exempt organizations to target those donors for audits. The documents also show IRS officials specifically highlighted how the U.S. Chamber of Commerce may come under “high scrutiny” from the IRS. The IRS produced the records in a Freedom of Information lawsuit seeking documents about selection of individuals for audits, based upon application information and donor lists submitted by Tea Party and other 501(c)(4) tax-exempt organizations (Judicial Watch v. Internal Revenue Service (No. 1:15-cv-00220)).

  Good to know. Any more? Is this a widespread thing? Are other groups being targeted? Were other groups in the past? Some of that information is old. Anything recent?
  
  

  Hope this helps..
  
  Government take over: PT1 The government has taken over ... that why Hillary not in jail today... Eric Holder .. IRS Bitch and Geithner want more names of career criminal that not in jail... That how you can tell the government has take over. Good new is ,We Citizen with a spine still have guns...freedom, understanding of liberty and patriotism... hope this helps ..

  That's not Marxism........
  And, can you prove that is not why Clinton is in jail, really? Or, is that just speculate on your part?

  Crime check the numbers... :
  
  11.2 million, that's the latest estimate of the number of unauthorized immigrants in the United States, according to the Pew Research Center. And it's less than 4% of the total U.S. population.
  
  
  177,960 the number of undocumented immigrants deported last year who were convicted criminals,according to Immigration and Customs Enforcement.
  
  
  121 the number of people released from immigration custody who were later charged with murder between 2010 and 2014, according to figures from the Department of Homeland Security cited in a recent letter from two U.S. senators
  
  73,665 the number of inmates in state and federal prisons who are not U.S. citizens, according to the latest prison population report from the Bureau of Judicial Statistics. That's about 5% of the total prison population.
  
  1 million the number of so-called detainer requests issued by Immigration and Customs and Enforcement and sent to local authorities from 2008 to 2012, according to the Transactional Records Access Clearinghouse at Syracuse University.
  
  
  10,182 the number of ICE detainers state and local enforcement authorities declined to honor last year.
  "This required ICE to expend additional resources attempting to locate, apprehend and remove criminal aliens who were released into the community, rather than transferred directly into custody," ICE said in its report on last year's deportation statistics.

  I get the numbers. However, where are the stats that says that crime is increasing over subsequent years as QO was suggesting?
  Has there been a drastic increase in crime with illegals over the past few years? Or, maybe it is declining or is level?
  
  Those numbers are just data points. They do not tell the whole story and it is hard to provide a conclusion based on them.
  Simple stats guys, simple stats.
  
  Two other data points as well
  https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/federal-eye/wp/2016/01/20/u-s-illegal-immigrant-population-falls-below-11-million-continuing-nearly-decade-long-decline-report-says/
  http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2015/11/19/5-facts-about-illegal-immigration-in-the-u-s/
• ptown_trojans_1

  

  QuakerOats;1785162 wrote:Don't waste your time on the re-education; it is hopeless when so many are so insulated from the real world.
  
  When the president can issue a dictatorial fiat to forcibly bankrupt an entire industry and the entrenched insiders yawn, it is obvious where we are headed.
  
  
  
  Effing sickening.

  Wow, really bringing substance to the discussion.
  Insulated form the real world. Give me a freaking break.
  
  Can you do anything other than spew talking points and boiler plate language?
• Belly35

  

  ptown_trojans_1;1785164 wrote:Good to know. Any more? Is this a widespread thing? Are other groups being targeted? Were other groups in the past? Some of that information is old. Anything recent?

  
  It does not matter what groups or how old or in the past.... IT SHOULD NOT HAPPEN AT ALL .. we the people should not fear our government .. and the government should not operate a department that target anyone...
  
  
  
  
  

  ptown_trojans_1;1785164 wrote:That's not Marxism........
  And, can you prove that is not why Clinton is in jail, really? Or, is that just speculate on your part?

  If those in politcal office are above the laws of the land and the federal justices system can not uphold the action of court orders, lying to congress, with holding information, distroying information and preform arrest warrents at that level of government operations, like the laws of the land for its citizen are held liable to adhere to.... than yes there is a seperation of the system of laws for the elite career politican. THAT WRONG and as long as this unwritten code of protected career politican on both sides exsist political curruption, fruad, waste and lack of responsiblity to the American public will prevail. Check yourself PT1 you're a public servent and the politicans are public servents... Your responsiblity is to the people you serve not the master that controls you... get a backbone and see what you've become ..muppet
  

  ptown_trojans_1;1785164 wrote:I get the numbers. However, where are the stats that says that crime is increasing over subsequent years as QO was suggesting?
  Has there been a drastic increase in crime with illegals over the past few years? Or, maybe it is declining or is level?
  
  Those numbers are just data points. They do not tell the whole story and it is hard to provide a conclusion based on them.
  Simple stats guys, simple stats.
  
  Two other data points as well
  https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/federal-eye/wp/2016/01/20/u-s-illegal-immigrant-population-falls-below-11-million-continuing-nearly-decade-long-decline-report-says/
  http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2015/11/19/5-facts-about-illegal-immigration-in-the-u-s/

  One of the primary responsiblities of the federal governemt is to protect its people ..ITS PEOPLE ..one more time ITS PEOPLE.. not the illegals, not the illegal criminal, murders, terrroist ...
  It does not matter if this number is declining or not ....
  The failure of the government... to let just one illegal pass into our American is wrong.
  Now people like you except this as ok ... it not OK and when that illegal put a blade in your back, shoot your wife and robs your kid ... will it still be OK. It is Ok now because you think you're protected, everything is safe, your prosperity provides your family with the comfort of a nice community... wake the fuck up you're not, the reason is the numbers of illegal are coming to a neighborhood near you. Dont worry, be happy be spineless.
• CenterBHSFan

  

  It does not matter what groups or how old or in the past.... IT SHOULD NOT HAPPEN AT ALL .. we the people should not fear our government .. and the government should not operate a department that target anyone...

  
  Gotta say, Ptown... he's right with everything on this. You're asking for specifics about the number of times that it has happened is fluff and you know it.
• QuakerOats

  ptown_trojans_1;1785165 wrote: Can you do anything other than spew talking points and boiler plate language?

  Yes, all day long I work to save private enterprise from BIG government overreach; it is starting to be a 24-hours-a-day gig. Most of us live this stuff day in and day out, but unless you are on the receiving end of the overtaxation/overregulation/dictatorial administrative fiat, then you won't understand. I can't make you understand, sorry.
  
  But as you can sense, most of us out here in fly over country have had about enough of the MASSIVE failures of career politicians, bureaucrats, and left-wing radicals.
• Belly35

  

  CenterBHSFan;1785200 wrote:Gotta say, Ptown... he's right with everything on this. You're asking for specifics about the number of times that it has happened is fluff and you know it.

  CBHSF at this point PT1 got nothing... Poor grammar, spelling, english and common sense ... checkmate
• Dr Winston O'Boogie

  

  QuakerOats;1785162 wrote:Don't waste your time on the re-education; it is hopeless when so many are so insulated from the real world.
  
  When the president can issue a dictatorial fiat to forcibly bankrupt an entire industry and the entrenched insiders yawn, it is obvious where we are headed.
  
  
  
  Effing sickening.

  Referring to coal?
• fish82

  

  Starting to look like Kasich might give Trump a run for his money in Ohio next week.
• gut

  fish82;1785513 wrote:Starting to look like Kasich might give Trump a run for his money in Ohio next week.

  But even if Trump falls short of enough votes for the nomination, I don't know how they choose someone else if they all have less than half the delegates Trump does.
  
  Although, hmmmm....Vice President Trump? If you look at how Biden has often been a bully and an idiot, occasional deal-maker.....is that not the perfect role for Trump? And he wouldn't have all the responsibility and work to do. Cruz/Trump. (remeber to rinse after you throw-up)
• Fab4Runner

  

  I don't care how they justify fucking him over....I just hope it happens.
• gut

  Fab4Runner;1785582 wrote:I don't care how they justify fucking him over....I just hope it happens.

  I don't like Cruz, either, and he could easily be worse than Trump (and Obama).
  
  I would vote for Hillary over either Trump or Cruz, but as my vote really doesn't matter I am not about to validate Hillary's policy/agenda and will go Gary Johnson.
• iclfan2

  

  gut;1785584 wrote:I don't like Cruz, either, and he could easily be worse than Trump (and Obama).

  Highly doubtful.
• like_that

  

  gut;1785584 wrote:I don't like Cruz, either, and he could easily be worse than Trump (and Obama).
  
  I would vote for Hillary over either Trump or Cruz, but as my vote really doesn't matter I am not about to validate Hillary's policy/agenda and will go Gary Johnson.

  You mocked numerous posters last election for voting Gary Johnson. Times have changed.
• gut

  like_that;1785586 wrote:You mocked numerous posters last election for voting Gary Johnson. Times have changed.

  Yes I did, but I notice you ignored the point about my vote not making a difference in my state. I have the LUXURY of casting a protest vote, Ohio was considered pivotal in the election last time around.
  
  Sure, if my vote was going to make a difference I would vote for Hillary to stop Trump/Cruz. Subtle distinctions lost on the simple I suppose.
• FatHobbit

  

  Fab4Runner;1785582 wrote:I don't care how they justify fucking him over....I just hope it happens.

  This. I hope they do it with a big smile
• gut

  FatHobbit;1785589 wrote:This. I hope they do it with a big smile

  And Trump's candidacy ultimately isn't going to be legitimized, in the sense he's probably not going to win enough delegates for the nomination. He's winning mainly because multiple candidates are splitting the rational, anti-Trump voters. He loses head-to-head with Rubio or Cruz. He's the only one of the 4 not polling ahead of Hillary in the general.
• like_that

  

  gut;1785588 wrote:Yes I did, but I notice you ignored the point about my vote not making a difference in my state. I have the LUXURY of casting a protest vote, Ohio was considered pivotal in the election last time around.
  
  Sure, if my vote was going to make a difference I would vote for Hillary to stop Trump/Cruz. Subtle distinctions lost on the simple I suppose.

  I didn't ignore it, some people on this site last year had the same luxury and you mocked them. Just admit you have changed your tune with Gary Johnson and move on. It's not a big deal.
  
  Do you still live on Ohio? Not sure how you can say it's not pivotal.
• gut

  like_that;1785631 wrote:I didn't ignore it, some people on this site last year had the same luxury and you mocked them. Just admit you have changed your tune with Gary Johnson and move on. It's not a big deal.
  
  Do you still live on Ohio? Not sure how you can say it's not pivotal.

  No, I don't live in Ohio. And I didn't mock those who had that luxury last year, just the ones in Ohio, Florida or other key swing states where the votes make a difference (which seemed to be most of them).
  
  And Trump is left of Hillary on many issues, so that's a pretty big difference from the asinine assertion that Romney and Obama were the same.
  
  If I was in Ohio I would vote for Hillary, although two disasters vs. the liar/crook/criminal isn't remotely comparable to having to pick between Romney and Obama.
• queencitybuckeye

  I disagree with the notion that a "protest vote" is a luxury. That's only true in the short term, IMO.
• like_that

  

  gut;1785682 wrote:No, I don't live in Ohio. And I didn't mock those who had that luxury last year, just the ones in Ohio, Florida or other key swing states where the votes make a difference (which seemed to be most of them).
  
  And Trump is left of Hillary on many issues, so that's a pretty big difference from the asinine assertion that Romney and Obama were the same.
  
  If I was in Ohio I would vote for Hillary, although two disasters vs. the liar/crook/criminal isn't remotely comparable to having to pick between Romney and Obama.

  Such a convenient spin for you. :rolleyes:
• gut

  like_that;1785688 wrote:Such a convenient spin for you. :rolleyes:

  Nope, not a spin. There are many reasons why this election cycle is very different, not the least of which is the likelihood of an unqualified buffoon squaring off with someone trying to dodge an indictment.
  
  And also, the Republican candidate is likely to be chosen neither by popular vote nor consensus (delegates). The candidate is going to be selected on something less than a "democratic" process. So there's that, as well.
• like_that

  

  gut;1785702 wrote:Nope, not a spin. There are many reasons why this election cycle is very different, not the least of which is the likelihood of an unqualified buffoon squaring off with someone trying to dodge an indictment.
  
  And also, the Republican candidate is likely to be chosen neither by popular vote nor consensus (delegates). The candidate is going to be selected on something less than a "democratic" process. So there's that, as well.

  That still has nothing to do with you changing your tune on Gary Johnson 4 years later, but alright. I am just giving you a hard time mostly.
  
  I wish there was a site that could simply break down every state's ballot access laws and how it would apply to Trump. This way I am sure more people would feel comfortable with a brokered convention.
• gut

  like_that;1785703 wrote:That still has nothing to do with you changing your tune on Gary Johnson 4 years later, but alright. I am just giving you a hard time mostly.
  
  I wish there was a site that could simply break down every state's ballot access laws and how it would apply to Trump. This way I am sure more people would feel comfortable with a brokered convention.

  No, I've always liked Gary Johnson. It would be interesting to see what happened if the Koch brothers got behind him. I still maintain most of America is libertarian, it's just a secret the establishment and its media manages to keep from them.
  
  I disagree with a "protest vote" because a candidate doesn't check all the boxes for you, especially when your vote could actually matter in a highly contested state. It's just not realistic to expect even your perfect candidate to achieve 1/10th what you hope, so why protest that they don't check all the boxes?
  
  I'm sure there will be plenty of analysis in a brokered convention with all kinds of "predictions" of what happened if it's a two-horse race from the beginning. My feeling is Trump getting close to 50% in some states now is going to come out on top in those models. So it will be hard to shift delegates to someone else. Trump probably picks an establishment pet for his VP to secure the nomination.
  
  Given how many Repubs rant on Obama "fundamentally changing" America, their support for a fascist is as shocking as it is scary. Too many idiots voting in this country. I guess even when your vote might matter it actually really doesn't matter.
• Spock

  

  gut;1785682 wrote:No, I don't live in Ohio. And I didn't mock those who had that luxury last year, just the ones in Ohio, Florida or other key swing states where the votes make a difference (which seemed to be most of them).
  
  And Trump is left of Hillary on many issues, so that's a pretty big difference from the asinine assertion that Romney and Obama were the same.
  
  If I was in Ohio I would vote for Hillary, although two disasters vs. the liar/crook/criminal isn't remotely comparable to having to pick between Romney and Obama.

  
  you arent making these statements without proof. links?