Why do Jews & Asians overwhelmingly vote Democrat?

• HitsRus

  

  Im a Jewish America who votes Republican but I can certainly see why they vote Democrat the vast majority of the time. Democrats care more about social issues and as a whole, Jews don't believe in letting anyone within their community fail

  Do you think that demographic can/will change as the Democratic party has moved away from classic liberalism to the bastardization that is progressive socialism?
• Dr Winston O'Boogie

  

  Getting between a Jewish business person and his/her money is about as uncomfortable a situation as there can be.
• BoatShoes

  HitsRus;1636545 wrote:Do you think that demographic can/will change as the Democratic party has moved away from classic liberalism to the bastardization that is progressive socialism?

  It's not going to change. Average Jews and Asians have progressive values.
  
  The meme that minorities vote Democratic because they are "manipulated" (your words) by Democrats who buy their vote is simply incorrect. It is a made up Conservative fantasy. These people simply do not share conservative economic and moral values with regard to the proper role of the commonwealth in society.
  
  The majority of Blacks vote Democrat because they think the redistribution of resources, income and wealth through the Social Contract is morally justified.
  
  The majority of Asians vote Democrat because they think the redistribution of resources, income and wealth through the Social Contract is morally justified.
  
  The majority of Jews vote Democrat because they think the redistribution of resources, income and wealth through the Social Contract is morally justified.
  
  The majority of rural, white Christian men vote Republican because they think the redistribution of resources, income and wealth through the Social Contract is not morally justified.
  
  It's as simple as that.
  
  Despite being richer than whites; the average Jew and the average Asian has a different set of moral and political values. Basically, these groups never adopted the Protestant Ethic like Anglo-American whites who vote Republican, are conservative and think redistribution of income and wealth through publicly administered social programs is morally unjust.
  
  This is what it's all about. Shit about Israel and anything else is just window dressing.
• Heretic

  

  HitsRus;1636475 wrote:As the OP you set up your strawman by cherry picking two "successful" groups and then ran out your bogus narrative that progressives like to parrot...that Republicans "think that people vote Democratic" because they are stupid, or because they get free stuff.

  Well, when you consider that the one-note Rs on this site (Quaker, Belly, Believer for three) pretty much say that sort of thing regularly (combined with whining about how everyone is biased against them...just because, I guess, because there obviously couldn't be any logical disagreeing with their ideals and policies, of course...that would be STOO-PID!!!!), I have no idea why this sort of thing would ever be parroted.
• Manhattan Buckeye

  "because there obviously couldn't be any logical disagreeing with their ideals and policies,"
  
  Based on the last few years, they would be right. Even the Democrats think the immigration thing is beyond ridiculous. Our government is a complete joke of crony capitalism and cronyism in general. Just when you think we can't be more stupid, we make Gilligan look smart.
• BoatShoes

  Manhattan Buckeye;1636581 wrote:"because there obviously couldn't be any logical disagreeing with their ideals and policies,"
  
  Based on the last few years, they would be right. Even the Democrats think the immigration thing is beyond ridiculous. Our government is a complete joke of crony capitalism and cronyism in general. Just when you think we can't be more stupid, we make Gilligan look smart.

  Actually, plenty of Democrats have humanitarian concern for these poor refugees that are fleeing countries that have been torn to shreds by our drug war and don't think sending them back to be murdered is a good idea.
  
  Conservatives say things like this:
  

  This might sound a bit morbid, and maybe even unethical, but it's time that Americans put their guns to use in stopping this invasion, regardless of how old the invader is. If the government won't protect us from Mexico, it's the duty of the people to counter the Hispanic war on America. I imagine Mexico and South America might get the message as the bodies start piling up. No more of this lame catch-and-release bs.

  All over this:
  
  
  
  
  
  Oh yeah and btw, you derailed the thread with another nonsensical post. How about another completely irrelevant anecdote about your wife or how you believe in the same type of stereotypes that antisemites have used to justify the persecution of Jews for centuries?
• Manhattan Buckeye

  Because it would lose the nuance. According to your group, people are advocating "banning" birth control (look up the word "ban"), causing all these illegal immigrants to flood our borders, causing 1/4 of college females to be sexually assaulted, and are actively racist or sexist or "fill in the blank"-ist against whatever group is in favor for the activists and intelligentsia.
  
  For the great uniter, Obama is a colossal disaster.
  
  Do you even believe your own bullshit?
• BoatShoes

  Manhattan Buckeye;1636595 wrote:Because it would lose the nuance. According to your group, people are advocating "banning" birth control (look up the word "ban"), causing all these illegal immigrants to flood our borders, causing 1/4 of college females to be sexually assaulted, and are actively racist or sexist or "fill in the blank"-ist against whatever group is in favor for the activists and intelligentsia.
  
  For the great uniter, Obama is a colossal disaster.
  
  Do you even believe your own bullshit?

  Do you have Tourette Syndrome? Your second smash the keyboard, off-topic, irrelevant post makes me wonder.
• HitsRus

  

  Boat shoes....my question was directed more at Ohiobucks who could speak to the issues from the perspective of Jewish heritage.
  
  While I certainly hope that Democratic strategists take the Jewish vote for granted, I'm not sure that they have "progressive" values. Your post and implications that Republicans do not believe in "redistribution of resources, income and wealth through the Social Contract" is yet another mischaracterization. It is a question of how much and how it is done. The question I have for Ohiobucks is how much is too much? Classic liberalism and Jewish heritage go hand and hand...progressive liberalism...maybe not so much. I would think the Jews in particular would be sensitive to government overrreach, mandates, targeting of groups by the IRS, spying by the NSA. If any group has been historically victimized by such government actions, they would be it.
• BoatShoes

  HitsRus;1636602 wrote:Boat shoes....my question was directed more at Ohiobucks who could speak to the issues from the perspective of Jewish heritage.
  
  While I certainly hope that Democratic strategists take the Jewish vote for granted, I'm not sure that they have "progressive" values. Your post and implications that Republicans do not believe in "redistribution of resources, income and wealth through the Social Contract" is yet another mischaracterization. It is a question of how much and how it is done. QUOTE]
  
  It was clear that I was writing in generalities. You are smart enough to know this. The Democratic Party is supposedly the party of "more redistribution of wealth" the Republican party is supposedly the party of "less redistribution of wealth" (unless of course you count that they enact policies that actively redistribute wealth, income and resources from the poor to the super rich...cough, Medicare Part D, cough; tight monetary policy cough, cough; Wars that send the young and poor to die while the super rich profit cough cough cougggghh :RpS_flapper

• Manhattan Buckeye

  BoatShoes;1636600 wrote:Do you have Tourette Syndrome? Your second smash the keyboard, off-topic, irrelevant post makes me wonder.

  If I was to smash the keyboard, wouldn't the response be sh4k32544lh6ghwowhowgw0hnb?
  
  No, intelligent discourse just seems like that to you.
• BoatShoes

  Manhattan Buckeye;1636608 wrote:If I was to smash the keyboard, wouldn't the response be sh4k32544lh6ghwowhowgw0hnb?
  
  No, intelligent discourse just seems like that to you.

  Off-topic rants about Obummer, extraneous and boring stories from your personal life in nearly every post, subtle slurs against Jews, and random comments about your wife are antithetical to intelligent discourse. h0p3 di55 h3Lp5
• Manhattan Buckeye

  Well perhaps you are right, you do seem to be the expert in antithesis to intellectual discourse, and obviously you know SO much about Asian people because you lived there. Incorrect thread but with respect to the Obama administration, is there anything, and I mean anything, they could possibly do that will make you criticize them? After Benghazi, IRS, NSA, Fast and Furious, etc...what else could there be?
• BoatShoes

  Manhattan Buckeye;1636636 wrote:Well perhaps you are right, you do seem to be the expert in antithesis to intellectual discourse, and obviously you know SO much about Asian people because you lived there. Incorrect thread but with respect to the Obama administration, is there anything, and I mean anything, they could possibly do that will make you criticize them? After Benghazi, IRS, NSA, Fast and Furious, etc...what else could there be?

  Care to actually discuss the topic today at all today?
  
  I proposed that Asians generally have more progressive values than the average Christian, white male. In particular I suggested that Asians by and large never adopted the Protestant Ethic. This explains why they vote for a party that would redistribute their wealth to poor rural whites in West Virginia.
  
  A profitable response might be to 1). Agree 2). Disagree and tell me why or 3). Ignore my post and move on with your life.
  
  How you respond is to
  
  Repeatedly post off-topic nonsense.
  
  And for the umpteenth time, I have criticized Obummer on numerous occasions. He is not a progressive nor a fighter for the unemployed. He kills innocent people with drones and deports refugees from countries harmed by our own policies back to be slaughtered. He has supported policies that are shrinking the deficit way to fast all while he appoints turds like Jeremy Stein to the FOMC. I've expressed these sentiments plenty but it does not stick out in the Hate Obama Circlejerk that is this forum.
  
  The difference is that I am not a frothing-at-mouth acting like everything Obama does is utterly terrible and that he is this epic disaster who is both some how incompetent and cunningly anti-American at the same time and yada yada yada.
  
  My disapproval of Obama lies in the realm of reality. Your disapproval lies in the realm of derp where you will rant about his college transcripts as if that is even remotely relevant and yell BenGHazzzziii and IRRRSS and Fassstt And Furriouuss!!! etc.
• Manhattan Buckeye

  "I proposed that Asians generally"
  
  You don't know Asians, let alone generally.
  
  And didn't you pretend to be a Libertarian here for a while? You have no, I mean zero credibility. if you had any sort of Libertarian credibility you would be very angry about the IRS abuse which was not in small part cause of Nixon's impeachment.
  
  So bark away, little dog...embarrass yourself some more.
• BoatShoes

  Manhattan Buckeye;1636673 wrote:"I proposed that Asians generally"
  
  You don't know Asians, let alone generally.
  
  And didn't you pretend to be a Libertarian here for a while? You have no, I mean zero credibility. if you had any sort of Libertarian credibility you would be very angry about the IRS abuse which was not in small part cause of Nixon's impeachment.
  
  So bark away, little dog...embarrass yourself some more.

  You know nothing about what "I know about Asians." How's about taking a stab at the OP's question. Do you think I am wrong when I suggest that the average Asian generally supports redistribution of wealth to a greater degree than the average white male protestant? If so, why?
  
  And as usual you are confused. I voted for Bush in 2004 for when I was a young and stupid evangelical Christian. When I was no longer a child I did away with childish things. You will not find any instance where I referred to myself as a "Libertarian". But have fun searching if you're so inclined lol.
  
  You however have called yourself a classical liberal and yet you are vehemently anti-immigration...a position that is at odds with the tenets of classical liberalism. Indeed, I'm pretty sure you don't understand anything about classical liberalism or the liberal tradition just like you didn't know what inflation is. That is why your posts are so entertaining as you are so condescending to everyone and yet so beautifully ignorant it is almost charming.
  
  Carry on with your rants.
• Manhattan Buckeye

  "You know nothing about what "I know about Asians.""
  
  Of course I do, nothing you say makes sense, including living with other cultures. Watching "Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon" doesn't make you an expert in Asian culture.
  
  And most people respect LEGAL immigration, not ILLEGAL criminals coming into the US which is not tolerated in any other country. Try pulling this stunt in France or the UK. If I'm condescending it is because you are ignorant of a basic concept of legality and illegality. If you love all these Central Americans cheating and breaking the rules, by all means take them into your house (assuming your landlord allows it). Tool.
• ohiobucks1

  

  HitsRus;1636602 wrote:Boat shoes....my question was directed more at Ohiobucks who could speak to the issues from the perspective of Jewish heritage.
  
  While I certainly hope that Democratic strategists take the Jewish vote for granted, I'm not sure that they have "progressive" values. Your post and implications that Republicans do not believe in "redistribution of resources, income and wealth through the Social Contract" is yet another mischaracterization. It is a question of how much and how it is done. The question I have for Ohiobucks is how much is too much? Classic liberalism and Jewish heritage go hand and hand...progressive liberalism...maybe not so much. I would think the Jews in particular would be sensitive to government overrreach, mandates, targeting of groups by the IRS, spying by the NSA. If any group has been historically victimized by such government actions, they would be it.

  
  At least from my experience, Obama has turned away a LOT of Jews from the Democrat party. Typically, I would say that Jews consider a strong relationship with Israel as their #1 priority, followed by a strong belief in progressive values (spreading the wealth, strong social programs, etc), but since Obama has completely alienated Israels relationship with America, many will not vote for Hilary thinking that she's just an Obama Shill.
  
  As a response to your last line, you are definitely correct, but Jews in America have it made compared to our counterparts in Europe, so we don't worry about that TOO much. Most believe that without Israel, European then American Jewry will be the next to go, so it's a protect Israel at all cost type of thing.
• HelloAgain

  ohiobucks1;1636730 wrote:At least from my experience, Obama has turned away a LOT of Jews from the Democrat party. Typically, I would say that Jews consider a strong relationship with Israel as their #1 priority, followed by a strong belief in progressive values (spreading the wealth, strong social programs, etc), but since Obama has completely alienated Israels relationship with America, many will not vote for Hilary thinking that she's just an Obama Shill.
  
  As a response to your last line, you are definitely correct, but Jews in America have it made compared to our counterparts in Europe, so we don't worry about that TOO much. Most believe that without Israel, European then American Jewry will be the next to go, so it's a protect Israel at all cost type of thing.

  When surveyed, Jews don't seem to place much importance on Israel. Not saying your experience isn't true, but the numbers don't bear it out.
• Belly35

  

  As a Christian I place very much support for Israel and many Blacks Christians are also place much believe in Israel future protection... Biblical bro
• Mohican00

  

  Belly35;1636750 wrote:As a Christian I place very much support for Israel and many Blacks Christians are also place much believe in Israel future protection... Biblical bro

  this makes no sense
• HelloAgain

  Belly35;1636750 wrote:As a Christian I place very much support for Israel and many Blacks Christians are also place much believe in Israel future protection... Biblical bro

  You try your best, but I just don't think the whole English thing is going to happen for you.
• ohiobucks1

  

  HelloAgain;1636748 wrote:When surveyed, Jews don't seem to place much importance on Israel. Not saying your experience isn't true, but the numbers don't bear it out.

  Yeah maybe when the list is conducted by Jstreet lol.
• BGFalcons82

  

  Isn't multiculturalism fun? Isn't it great that the "Leaders" of this country have divided, separated and pitted groups against other Americans? Does anyone remember "Melting Pot", wherein we are all Americans first? Jews, blacks, Hispanics, women, men, Asians, Orientals, LGBTs, and on and on. The separation and lobbying based solely upon race, creed, sex and behavior in the sack is not having the desired outcomes, rather the further eroding of Americans into tribes and fiefdoms of victims and "oppressors".
• gut

  BGFalcons82;1636916 wrote:... the further eroding of Americans into tribes and fiefdoms of victims and "oppressors".

  I find the whole entitlement to free birth control to be one of the most vile and bullshit wedge issues. It costs, what, $30 a month? Condoms, and just about anythin OTC, are typically not covered (despite being no less necessary for those people).
  
  There are literally millions of Americans who have been hit much worse than $30 a month when their drugs have been dropped from coverage or gone OTC...but hardly anyone talks about it because that "group" is too disjointed and disparate to effectively target with talking points.
  
  And, by the way, people used to be able to take advantage of flex-spend healthcare accounts to at least pay for their OTC with pre-tax dollars. And Obamakare took a hatchet to that which cost millions of people hundreds of dollars or more annually.