the rich get richer

• isadore

  Devils Advocate;1579131 wrote:2 things:
  
  *you're
  
  Think about all those poor little kids in Iraq. They do not have much of a chance. A bomb strapped around their chest probably seems like a good option.
  
  Bigot

  gosh your heart still bleeding for these killers from a serious business thread.
  "An al-Qaeda instructor killed himself and 20 of his pupils when he accidentally set off a car bomb during a bungled training session in Iraq.
  Bomb attacks carried out by ISIS and other extremist groups are claiming hundreds of lives in Iraq every month. The country is now enduring its bloodiest period since the sectarian civil war of 2006-07.
  http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/iraq/10629543/Iraqi-suicide-bombing-instructor-accidentally-kills-himself-and-pupils.html
  
  The lives of hundreds of innocent men, women and children have just been saved.
• isadore

  Al Bundy;1579216 wrote:According to you, we are allowed to blame at least the first 61 months of a president's time in office on the previous president, so it must be Clinton's fault.

  when you leave your successor the worst economic situation in several decades and the causes of it inscribed in law, the blame lingers. thank you georgie.
• isadore

  gut;1579298 wrote:Why do you want to live longer if you're poor?

  just die and decrease the excess population.
• isadore

  Al Bundy;1579218 wrote:If you go to college and live longer, you become rich.

  but since the poor have so little chance at college and the rich have such a great chance at attending, the deck is already stacked.
• Al Bundy

  isadore;1579316 wrote:but since the poor have so little chance at college and the rich have such a great chance at attending, the deck is already stacked.

  You have already been shown multiple times how the poor can attend college. You also have been shown that the overwhelming percentage of rich people are self-made.
• isadore

  Al Bundy;1579430 wrote:You have already been shown multiple times how the poor can attend college. You also have been shown that the overwhelming percentage of rich people are self-made.

  I have seen neither of those things. The rich have become increasingly more wealthy
  The information throughout this thread have shown social mobility is in decline, the rich share of college registration massively increased but not for those in need.
• Belly35

  

  Opportunities for poverty families to send their kids to college are very real reality in America. The problem is how much the kids wants it and dedication to achieve. Another problem are they prepared to achieve “Fear of Success” is an issue of many poor individual.
  Athletics, Academics, Military, Hardship scholarships, Jr. College, Community College, Grants and Aid Programs.. bottom line is simple if student has not prepared for college within the guideline of high school requirements, provide a level of proficiency and demonstrated the academics to enter into college they are just blowing smoke …. And have no intention of succeeding.
  However if a young adult wakes up and sees their demise, the drive to achieve in college and to prove themselves worth of being in college is greatly increases the success rate.
  
  Isadore everything in life can’t be a” gift bag “ of entitlements.
• isadore

  Belly35;1579696 wrote:Opportunities for poverty families to send their kids to college are very real reality in America. The problem is how much the kids wants it and dedication to achieve. Another problem are they prepared to achieve “Fear of Success” is an issue of many poor individual.
  Athletics, Academics, Military, Hardship scholarships, Jr. College, Community College, Grants and Aid Programs.. bottom line is simple if student has not prepared for college within the guideline of high school requirements, provide a level of proficiency and demonstrated the academics to enter into college they are just blowing smoke …. And have no intention of succeeding.
  However if a young adult wakes up and sees their demise, the drive to achieve in college and to prove themselves worth of being in college is greatly increases the success rate.
  
  Isadore everything in life can’t be a” gift bag “ of entitlements.

  Obviously not, other nations far surpass us in social mobility. the patchwork of programs does not provide the money or support needed for so many of these students to have a real chance at success. Other nations do a much better job of it land the supposed land of opportunity.
• gut

  isadore;1579706 wrote:Obviously not, other nations far surpass us in social mobility.

  Most countries don't allow a bunch of day laborers to enter illegally or incentivize the stupid & poor to breed like rabbits.
• isadore

  gut;1579971 wrote:Most countries don't allow a bunch of day laborers to enter illegally or incentivize the stupid & poor to breed like rabbits.

  gosh a ruddies I guess you would be a proponent of the part of Obamacare that makes birth control available in their health plans.
  your comment calling for decentivizing breeding by "stupid & poor," seems to be an advocacy of eugenics.
• Belly35

  

  isadore;1579706 wrote:Obviously not, other nations far surpass us in social mobility. the patchwork of programs does not provide the money or support needed for so many of these students to have a real chance at success. Other nations do a much better job of it land the supposed land of opportunity.

  seems other country have a system where the government welfare is base on if you want more work and earn more... If you don't like your lot in life you change it
• isadore

  Belly35;1579989 wrote:seems other country have a system where the government welfare is base on if you want more work and earn more... If you don't like your lot in life you change it

  hopefully we could model our system on the nations with greater social mobility.
• Al Bundy

  isadore;1580060 wrote:hopefully we could model our system on the nations with greater social mobility.

  84% of millionaires in the United States are self-made. That is pretty high social mobility.
• Belly35

  

  isadore;1580060 wrote:hopefully we could model our system on the nations with greater social mobility.

  maybe we can just drome the poor and uneducated that commit crime and violence on society......
• believer

  

  Al Bundy;1580138 wrote:84% of millionaires in the United States are self-made. That is pretty high social mobility.

  Truth doesn't matter to leftists. They've bought into the Big Lie.
• isadore

  Al Bundy;1580138 wrote:84% of millionaires in the United States are self-made. That is pretty high social mobility.

  1. where is your source
  2. What is the definition of self-made
• isadore

  even the right wing knows we are no longer the true land of opportunity
  
  Harder for Americans to Rise From Lower Rungs
  Former Senator Rick Santorum of Pennsylvania, a Republican candidate for president, warned this fall that movement “up into the middle income is actually greater, the mobility in Europe, than it is in America.” National Review, a conservative thought leader, wrote that “most Western European and English-speaking nations have higher rates of mobility.” Even Representative Paul D. Ryan, a Wisconsin Republican who argues that overall mobility remains high, recently wrote that “mobility from the very bottom up” is “where the United States lags behind.”
  Liberal commentators have long emphasized class, but the attention on the right is largely new.
  “It’s becoming conventional wisdom that the U.S. does not have as much mobility as most other advanced countries,” said Isabel V. Sawhill, an economist at the Brookings Institution. “I don’t think you’ll find too many people who will argue with that.”
  One reason for the mobility gap may be the depth of American poverty, which leaves poor children starting especially far behind. Another may be the unusually large premiums that American employers pay for college degrees. Since children generally follow their parents’ educational trajectory, that premium increases the importance of family background and stymies people with less schooling.
  42 percent of American men raised in the bottom fifth of incomes stay there as adults. That shows a level of persistent disadvantage much higher than in Denmark (25 percent) and Britain (30 percent) — a country famous for its class constraints.
  Meanwhile, just 8 percent of American men at the bottom rose to the top fifth. That compares with 12 percent of the British and 14 percent of the Danes.
  http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/05/us/harder-for-americans-to-rise-from-lower-rungs.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0
  
• Al Bundy

  isadore;1580177 wrote:1. where is your source
  2. What is the definition of self-made

  http://www.fidelity.com/inside-fidelity/individual-investing/fidelity-2012-millionaire-outlook This source has the percentage of self-made millionaires at 86% from their study.
  
  Are you so dependent upon entitlement that you honestly do not know what self-made means? It means that you have created your wealth from a product or service that someone is willing to pay you for. It means your wealth wasn't given to you, you worked your butt off to earn it.
• isadore

  Al Bundy;1580400 wrote:http://www.fidelity.com/inside-fidelity/individual-investing/fidelity-2012-millionaire-outlook This source has the percentage of self-made millionaires at 86% from their study.
  
  Are you so dependent upon entitlement that you honestly do not know what self-made means? It means that you have created your wealth from a product or service that someone is willing to pay you for. It means your wealth wasn't given to you, you worked your butt off to earn it.

  Now that is one great example of polling. Who are these “self-made millionaires?” How do we determine that?
  “
  Eighty-six percent of today’s millionaires did not consider themselves wealthy growing up (“self-made&#8221. Now that is a completely subjective standard. Very few people are willing to admit they were born with important advantages.
  Did all these folks pay for their own educations? Did they start with no assets. Or did they have $950,000 in assets to start.
• gut

  isadore;1580486 wrote: Did all these folks pay for their own educations?

  With very few exceptions, if you can't get a college education you have absolutely no one to blame but yourself. Your failure is never someone else's fault. It's called personal responsibility - poor people could use more of it, and the thing is it's absolutely free and readily available to them.
• isadore

  gut;1580511 wrote:With very few exceptions, if you can't get a college education you have absolutely no one to blame but yourself. Your failure is never someone else's fault. It's called personal responsibility - poor people could use more of it, and the thing is it's absolutely free and readily available to them.

  no, as had been shown the system is weighted against those in the lower quintiles. One way is the great difficulty in receiving a post secondary education.
• gut

  isadore;1580516 wrote:One way is the great difficulty in receiving a post secondary education.

  Only for people who are stupid. Really, we've been over this. If you are unaware of the multitude of scholarships, grants and loans out there then you probably aren't college material anyway.
• isadore

  gut;1580534 wrote:Only for people who are stupid. Really, we've been over this. If you are unaware of the multitude of scholarships, grants and loans out there then you probably aren't college material anyway.

  I am aware of a patchwork of programs that as statistics show leave millions without opportunity. As has been shown, the poor have little chance to rise in America as compared to other developed nations.
• gut

  isadore;1580540 wrote:I am aware of a patchwork of programs that as statistics show leave millions without opportunity. As has been shown, the poor have little chance to rise in America as compared to other developed nations.

  The problem is not lack of free post-secondary education. As has been shown, the ROI is greater even after accounting for paying for it yourself. Having skin in the game is a powerful and effective incentive - that's why college should never be free. We are not going to hand out a free ride to the lazy and incapable - in fact, doing so does them a disservice as they would already have been head fry cook after 4 years.
• CenterBHSFan

  

  - Part of the reason many young people opt to not go to college and increase their education is because of the price of tuition. If they cannot get scholarships then they don't want to go in debt as others have to, so it's easier to just not do anything. Like it or not, there are blocks of people who will always take the path of least resistance. You cannot legislate, subsidize or tax people into ambition.
  Every time the government sticks its fingers into subsiding, the price of tuition increases. This is readily acknowledged by the left - who strongly supports subsidizing. Even Joe Biden has readily admitted that academia doesn't mesh with reality in this situation (in other words, what looks good on paper isn't always practical when the rubber meets the road).
  
  - I'm constantly amazed at how many "intelligent" people confuse equal opportunity with equal results. Sure, there will never be what amounts to equal results for everybody, for a million reasons, tangible and otherwise. But the opportunity for people to make that choice should never be taken away in favor of instituting a Borg-like mentality.
  
  Just my two cents. Hate on!