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  • salto
    Dr Winston O'Boogie;1587044 wrote: there aren't other non-economic options standing out.
    Theirs hardly any economic options for USA in the first place. It's just Obama barking.
    Ukraine is Europe's Iowa. It's just farm land.

    China has sided with Russia. Ukraine is not worth any sort of involvement.
  • QuakerOats
    Tiernan;1587042 wrote:Not my job Dr Boogers...the community leader gets paid the big bucks to make those decisions and so far he's done zilch.

    obama has thought Putin to be a partner, not an adversary. Most kids in third grade can tell the bad boys from the good ones.
  • isadore
    QuakerOats;1587119 wrote:obama has thought Putin to be a partner, not an adversary. Most kids in third grade can tell the bad boys from the good ones.
    I looked the man in the eye. I found him to be very straightforward and trustworthy. We had a very good dialogue. I was able to get a sense of his soul; a man deeply committed to his country and the best interests of his country.
  • dlazz
    isadore;1587122 wrote:(pointless quote)
    Oh good, the other troll is here to battle Tiernan for the OC troll world championship belt.
  • TedSheckler
    Bush and Putin understood each other, because each knew what the other was capable of. Putin sees Obama as weak. What Bush said about Putin being trustable was only meant to flatter him. He didn't believe him. He never gave Putin any major unilateral concession. When he sought Putin's approval of something in the UN Security Council and Putin vetoed it (Iraq), Bush ignored the veto and acted anyway. Obama instead gave a concession to Putin (canceling the missile defense) and believes he can do nothing unless the UN Security Council blesses it. Obama told Putin that after the election, he would be softer.
  • isadore
    really?

    "After all, President Bush didn't roll back the Russian occupation of South Ossetia and Abkhazia after Vladimir Putin's battering of Georgia in August 2008. Bush didn't lead an alliance of the willing to isolate Russia, undermine its economy, mine the Black Sea, provide defense guarantees and rush American military supplies to Tblisi. Instead, Dubya simply denounced Moscow's reaction using much the same language President Obama is deploying now."
    his Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice had summed up Bush's post-Iraq invasion foreign policy by declaring, "Punish France, ignore Germany, forgive Russia." Worse still, as the New York Times reminded readers on August 14, 2008, Presidents Bush and Putin had recently concluded high-level talks in--wait for it--Sochi. "

    http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/03/03/1281857/-Media-GOP-forget-Bush-s-feeble-response-to-Russia-Georgia-conflict#
    "
  • WebFire
    Another thread ruined.
  • dlazz
    Putin more like poopin, lol
  • fish82
    WebFire;1587146 wrote:Another thread ruined.
    This is why we can't have nice things.
  • friendfromlowry
    QuakerOats;1587119 wrote:obama has thought Putin to be a partner, not an adversary. Most kids in third grade can tell the bad boys from the good ones.
    No one cares.
  • lhslep134
    This problem can be the solved (trolls) by simply blocking them. Tiernan's already blocked, and I just blocked Isadore, because this is a good thread.
  • thavoice
    lhslep134;1587175 wrote:This problem can be the solved (trolls) by simply blocking them. Tiernan's already blocked, and I just blocked Isadore, because this is a good thread.
    You calling Putin a troll?
  • I Wear Pants
    TedSheckler;1587128 wrote:Bush and Putin understood each other, because each knew what the other was capable of. Putin sees Obama as weak. What Bush said about Putin being trustable was only meant to flatter him. He didn't believe him. He never gave Putin any major unilateral concession. When he sought Putin's approval of something in the UN Security Council and Putin vetoed it (Iraq), Bush ignored the veto and acted anyway. Obama instead gave a concession to Putin (canceling the missile defense) and believes he can do nothing unless the UN Security Council blesses it. Obama told Putin that after the election, he would be softer.
    What would you have Obama do right now?
  • HitsRus
    Does any one care about George Bush and what he did and didn't do and what he said 13 years ago about Russia?...LOL

    Barry is on his own here, he's had 5 years to cultivate a relationship with Russia....and it's on display.

    Isadore linked...
    Izzy, I told you before on another thread to get your head out of the Daily Kos,(though you denied it)... and I meant it.
  • thavoice
    Anyone believe that the forces in Crimera are not russian troops but instead are self defense troops as Putin is claiming?
  • like_that
    HitsRus;1587183 wrote:Does any one care about George Bush and what he did and didn't do and what he said 13 years ago about Russia?...LOL

    Barry is on his own here, he's had 5 years to cultivate a relationship with Russia....and it's on display.

    Isadore linked...


    Izzy, I told you before on another thread to get your head out of the Daily Kos,(though you denied it)... and I meant it.
    It's remarkable people still use bush as a defense mechanism.
  • fish82
    I Wear Pants;1587181 wrote:What would you have Obama do right now?
    Apologize to Sarah Palin and Mittens. After that, IDGAF. : thumbup:
  • I Wear Pants
    fish82;1587316 wrote:Apologize to Sarah Palin and Mittens. After that, IDGAF. : thumbup:
    Apologize to Palin for what? She made that comment in the context of Russia's invasion of Georgia. Did she want the US to send troops and begin a war with Russia in that situation? What did she want Obama to do differently than condemn Russia's actions much like McCain did? And again people calling Obama weak for calling for sanctions, etc. Do you want to send troops to Ukraine? If not, what is the alternative action that isn't "weak" like sanctions?
  • HitsRus
    What would you have Obama do right now?
    sigh...I don't know what you do because policies that have been employed and actions that have occurred have now come home to roost. Unilateral concessions, deferring to Europe in the Libya revolution, wishwashyness towards Egypt, drawing 'redlines' and allowing them to be crossed without serious action, impotence in Syria, flunking crisis management in Benghazi.....nature abhors a vaccuum, and the power vaccuum left by the U.S.'s lack of leadership and committmnent has and will continue to result in other players exerting their muscle both regionally and worldwide.


    What's he to do NOW?.....Try to figure out a decent response when the 'self defense' troops appear/ "are asked into " in the rest of SE Ukraine.
  • fish82
    I Wear Pants;1587321 wrote:Apologize to Palin for what? She made that comment in the context of Russia's invasion of Georgia.
    So what? She called Ukraine, and got beat over the head for it...same with Mittens, and Obie went all Glib Cool Foreign Policy Expert on him. Now, they both look like Henry Kissinger, and Obie steps on his own dick for the 40th time.


    I Wear Pants;1587321 wrote:Did she want the US to send troops and begin a war with Russia in that situation? What did she want Obama to do differently than condemn Russia's actions much like McCain did?
    You'd have to ask her that.
    I Wear Pants;1587321 wrote:And again people calling Obama weak for calling for sanctions, etc. Do you want to send troops to Ukraine? If not, what is the alternative action that isn't "weak" like sanctions?
    I guess you missed the part where I said IDGAF.
  • Lovejoy1984
    Hmm.

    You know what would make this site amazing......?

    A politics forum

    Oh Wait.
  • isadore
    HitsRus;1587183 wrote:Does any one care about George Bush and what he did and didn't do and what he said 13 years ago about Russia?...LOL

    Barry is on his own here, he's had 5 years to cultivate a relationship with Russia....and it's on display.

    Isadore linked...


    Izzy, I told you before on another thread to get your head out of the Daily Kos,(though you denied it)... and I meant it.
    Gosh a ruddies based on this statement from the haters of Barack Hussein Obama
    QuakerOats wrote: obama has thought Putin to be a partner, not an adversary. Most kids in third grade can tell the bad boys from the good ones.
    Just naturally leads to
    isadore wrote: looked the man in the eye. I found him to be very straightforward and trustworthy. We had a very good dialogue. I was able to get a sense of his soul; a man deeply committed to his country and the best interests of his country.
    George W. Bush, joint press conference (16 June 2001).
    And
    isadore wrote:his Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice had summed up Bush's post-Iraq invasion foreign policy by declaring, "Punish France, ignore Germany, forgive Russia."
    　
    Which is a little too much for the anti-Obama hypocrites and condi sycophants.
  • WebFire
    lhslep134;1587175 wrote:This problem can be the solved (trolls) by simply blocking them. Tiernan's already blocked, and I just blocked Isadore, because this is a good thread.
    Who unblocked isadore?
  • BGFalcons82
    I Wear Pants;1587181 wrote:What would you have Obama do right now?
    The same thing he should have been doing since 1-20-2009.

    Go fornicate himself.
  • QuakerOats
    obama is a Nobel Peace Prize recipient; all is right with the world.

    High time for a two week vacation in Hawaii.