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  • Manhattan Buckeye
    BoatShoes;1507647 wrote:Wife who doesn't work or Nanny does it. LOL! <------------- What more needs to be said???

    I wonder what teh p00rz with special needs children would think of this blubber when they have to send their handicapped loved ones off to nursing homes. If it was a p00r we were talking about...Sleeper now that he's free might chime in and say how they should be jailed and/or castrated for having children they couldn't afford.

    "Oh woe is me...I'm going to have to pay for my child with after-tax dollars while the p00rz could only dream of having that type of problem when it comes to their special needs children"

    But I appreciate the kind words.
    They weren't kind. I don't know if you have a law degree or not, but you know nothing how law firms operate. And I'm sure my buddy who's kid has Rett's Syndrome and probably won't live until the age of 20 would appreciate your kind, liberal words. What is it about you liberals that make you so hateful?
  • pmoney25
    Liberals only pretend to care about the poor so they can get votes. It helps them sleep better at night to act like they actually give a shit and want to help people escape poverty instead of creating programs that trap people in perpetual poverty.
  • QuakerOats
    Manhattan Buckeye;1507649 wrote:What is it about you liberals that make you so hateful?

    Their superior intellect, so they think.

    Starting to really despise them as they continue to wreak havoc on real Americans.
  • gut
    pmoney25;1507655 wrote:Liberals only pretend to care about the poor so they can get votes. It helps them sleep better at night to act like they actually give a shit and want to help people escape poverty instead of creating programs that trap people in perpetual poverty.
    It's easy to be compassionate with other people's money.
  • queencitybuckeye
    gut;1507660 wrote:It's easy to be compassionate with other people's money.
    Oddly enough, those who do it with their own tend to congregate toward the other end of the spectrum.
  • BoatShoes
    Manhattan Buckeye;1507649 wrote:They weren't kind. I don't know if you have a law degree or not, but you know nothing how law firms operate. And I'm sure my buddy who's kid has Rett's Syndrome and probably won't live until the age of 20 would appreciate your kind, liberal words. What is it about you liberals that make you so hateful?
    I actually sympathize with your friend but you seem to act like there aren't people with children with disabilities who are much worse off than your friend. Fact is, your friend is lucky that he can have his wife and an additional helper aid his child and you're talking about the loss of a massive tax subsidy/tax expenditure while constantly complain about how wrong it is to provide tax subsidies/tax expenditures to people who are worse off than your friend...like those in Obamacare.

    Your complaints come off as awfully detached from what types of problems people have IMHO.
  • BoatShoes
    pmoney25;1507655 wrote:Liberals only pretend to care about the poor so they can get votes. It helps them sleep better at night to act like they actually give a shit and want to help people escape poverty instead of creating programs that trap people in perpetual poverty.
    If this was true liberals are the dumbest polticians ever. Animosity toward the welfare state/great society legislation that aimed to alleviate poverty was the single greatest factor in allowing working class whites to migrate to the republican party and lead directly to the constituency that voted for the Reagan Revolution.
  • BoatShoes
    gut;1507660 wrote:It's easy to be compassionate with other people's money.
    The United States creates the dollars that go into rich people's bank accounts. Hope this helps. We could provide any amount of dollars to the p00rz that we want w/o a dime from rich people. We only need to tax enough to create a notional demand for the currency and alleviate any potential inflation.
  • BoatShoes
    pmoney25;1507648 wrote:I meet with Small Business Customers all the time, Businesses under 2 Million in Total Sales. The vast majority, the number one concern is how this is going to effect their business. Whether its the cost of healthcare or the effect of their partners/vendors/customers not having as much disposable income to use their services/products.
    Should've just given them a medicare card and been done with it.
  • Manhattan Buckeye
    "The United States creates the dollars that go into rich people's bank accounts. Hope this helps."

    I haven't been to the United States since May of 2012. Can you explain to my how the United States has done anything to pad my bank account? Yet we still pay taxes.

    Boatshoes, have you gone full retard?
  • QuakerOats
    BoatShoes;1507682 wrote:The United States creates the dollars that go into rich people's bank accounts. Hope this helps.

    Maybe that flies with stupid people and others you inflict the liberal fraud upon, but it doesn't work here.
  • gut
    BoatShoes;1507682 wrote:The United States creates the dollars that go into rich people's bank accounts.
    You finally stated a fact, irrelevant as it may be, which taken out of your context I can declare as correct! Congrats, long overdue.
  • BoatShoes
    Manhattan Buckeye;1507685 wrote:"The United States creates the dollars that go into rich people's bank accounts. Hope this helps."

    I haven't been to the United States since May of 2012. Can you explain to my how the United States has done anything to pad my bank account? Yet we still pay taxes.

    Boatshoes, have you gone full retard?
    You obtain the unit of account for your currency zone from a different monetary sovereign but the same logic applies. You can't obtain British Pounds until their spent into existence from the currency issuer. But, you provide an important point because taxes also serve Holmesian functions. The United States as the primary of enforcer of world wide trade is justified in taxing u.s. citizens abroad on their worldwide income whereas other countries aren't. Hope this helps. However it is wrong to say that we here in the states need your money to pay for the shit we want. Really you just deserve to pay the U.S. some amount for the benefits we confer onto you.
  • gut
    BoatShoes;1507749 wrote:The United States as the primary of enforcer of world wide trade is justified in taxing u.s. citizens abroad on their worldwide income whereas other countries aren't.
    Aside from much of what you say would be handled by private companies and/or some other combination of countries...Ignoring that those "units of account" exist due to monopolies govts have granted themselves (some heavy weight economists have argued for liberalization of currencies)...One could argue the US gets plenty of return on its investment from the jobs & wealth (not to mention a variety of related taxes!) created from the massive flow ($3.8T?) of imports and exports.
  • BoatShoes
    http://www.cnbc.com/id/101064954

    46% of respondents opposed Obummercare while 37% opposed the Affordable Care Act. This is what we're dealing with.

    We'll see how upset people are when they get large subsidies for purchasing individual insurance.
  • queencitybuckeye
    BoatShoes;1507682 wrote:The United States creates the dollars that go into rich people's bank accounts. Hope this helps. We could provide any amount of dollars to the p00rz that we want w/o a dime from rich people. We only need to tax enough to create a notional demand for the currency and alleviate any potential inflation.
    Damn, what you're saying is we could eliminate poverty by end of business today!

    Not sure what's worse, that you believe such drivel, or that you don't and troll the board with this nonsense.
  • Belly35
    BoatShoes;1507682 wrote:The United States creates the dollars that go into rich people's bank accounts.


    The reason money goes into (rich) people account (I&#8217;m not rich but I good) is because many of us work, take risk, invest, take responsibilities for the care, protection and provide the welfare of our family. In doing so we prosper an by being a responsible, prosperous citizen we have a bank account.

    BoatShoes;1507682 wrote:Hope this helps. We could provide any amount of dollars to the p00rz that we want w/o a dime from rich people.
    Really! an in what time frame would those who haven't understood the simple aspect of work, providing, saving, investing and responsibilities be back to square one with their hand out for more of what they haven't earned.

    BoatShoes;1507682 wrote:We only need to tax enough to create a notional demand for the currency and alleviate any potential inflation.
    Tax more Really ... How about cleaning the record of goverment fraud, social welfare corruption, meaningless federal programs and big goverment operation cost. Put free enterprises back to business, get goverment out of the private sector and let risk takers create jobs for those who want to work, prosper and open bank accounts.

    How is it that we have gone from rewarding achievement to punishing achievers
  • jmog
    BoatShoes;1507647 wrote:Wife who doesn't work or Nanny does it. LOL! <------------- What more needs to be said???

    I wonder what teh p00rz with special needs children would think of this blubber when they have to send their handicapped loved ones off to nursing homes. And then they're just takers on the welfare state anyways because they'd have to rely on medicaid instead of subsidized accounts with special consumption tax treatment that mostly only high-earners/producers/non-takers get to use...

    If it was a p00r we were talking about...Sleeper now that he's free might chime in and say how they should be jailed and/or castrated for having children they couldn't afford.

    "Oh woe is me...I'm going to have to pay for my child with after-tax dollars while the p00rz could only dream of having that type of problem when it comes to their special needs children"

    And even better...that Nanny who I'm sure your bro doesn't provide health insurance for like he gets through his employer...is now going to be able to buy subsidized individual insurance that has similar benefits like free checkups that people like your bro get through his firm.....not high-deductible catastrophic insurance that you think is good enough for teh p00rz but is pretty much universally unpopular.

    But I appreciate the kind words.
    Boat, you have now sunk to a level that is despicable.

    You were very logical and fun to debate with during the elections.

    You have been sometimes histerical since them but still respectable.

    These posts regarding the HSA and how it will affect families with children that have debilitating diseases is downright despicable. You have lost my respect.
  • jmog
    BoatShoes;1507678 wrote:I actually sympathize with your friend but you seem to act like there aren't people with children with disabilities who are much worse off than your friend. Fact is, your friend is lucky that he can have his wife and an additional helper aid his child and you're talking about the loss of a massive tax subsidy/tax expenditure while constantly complain about how wrong it is to provide tax subsidies/tax expenditures to people who are worse off than your friend...like those in Obamacare.

    Your complaints come off as awfully detached from what types of problems people have IMHO.
    He never one time said that there aren't others worse off than his friend. He was relaying how the ACA rules will negatively affect his friend. Nothing more, nothing less.

    You jumped all over him with big time assumptions that he never said or implied and quite frankly looked like an asshole.
  • jmog
    BoatShoes;1507918 wrote:http://www.cnbc.com/id/101064954

    46% of respondents opposed Obummercare while 37% opposed the Affordable Care Act. This is what we're dealing with.

    We'll see how upset people are when they get large subsidies for purchasing individual insurance.
    I notice you cherry picked the part you wanted.

    You mysteriously forgot to mention that 29% support Obamacare and 22% support ACA. So basically less than 1/3 of Americans support this travesty of a law.
  • Commander of Awesome
    [video=youtube;JZkk6ueZt-U][/video]

    Has this been posted yet?
  • Heretic
    Commander of Awesome;1508281 wrote:[video=youtube;JZkk6ueZt-U][/video]

    Has this been posted yet?
    Or this Onion article, since it pretty much sums up everything on this site discussing it.

    http://www.theonion.com/articles/man-who-understands-8-of-obamacare-vigorously-defe,34022/
  • Commander of Awesome
    I would read that article if I could Heretic. But I can't read, waiting for my Obama tutor that will read for me.
  • QuakerOats
    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702304526204579097443230322758.html?mod=WSJ_hpp_sections_opinion

    "Enacted with zero Republican votes, ObamaCare is the solely owned creation of the Democrats' belief in their own limitless powers to fashion goodness out of legislated entitlements. Sometimes social experiments go wrong. In the end, the only one who supported Frankenstein was Dr. Frankenstein. The Democrats in 2014 should by all means be asked relentlessly to defend their monster."

  • queencitybuckeye
    QuakerOats;1508478 wrote:The Democrats in 2014 should by all means be asked relentlessly to defend their monster."

    Yes, they should. In the meantime, the Republicans should acknowledge that they lost, take their beating, and STFU about it until the next election.