obamaKare: the destruction begins
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BoatShoes
You must not get it otherwise you'd stop using words like "solvency". There is no indication in any inflation forecasts published by private firms, banks or the regional reserve banks that our presently large commitment of real resources to old people is going to make our currency worthless. However, our current debt and deficit hysteria could lead to problems in investing in enough resources for the future. Are people going to have enough children to provide services to these old people when they're debt and cash-strapped and underemployed or unemployed today? Are we going to educate enough new doctors and nurses, etc??sleeper;1512717 wrote:I get it, we control our own currency so we will have enough money to cover any deficits. The question is, by doing this will our currency be worth anything and we all know the answer to that(hell even the dog knows the answer to that).
Those are the real problems that we should be concerned about. If we don't want to move those real resources towards the benefit of seniors that's fine...we tell them to go take a hike but it's not a question of bankruptcy, insolvency or financial constraint. -
BGFalcons82
I HIGHLY recommend you listen to the 2 minutes of utter drivel from Babs Boxer. The TEA Party nominates "whackadoodles", but she gets elected over and over and over and... She's on the "Whackadoodle" Top 10 list.BoatShoes;1512702 wrote:Or maybe she got that sort of thinking from Mitch McConnell? He said the following on Larry Kudlow the other night...
She is still part of the Obama Kool Aid Society that tags Bush with a $1.2 trillion deficit that Barry "inherited". Horseshit. Bush did NOT SIGN the "Stimulus" bill in February, 2009 which added nearly a trillion. We all know who's name is on the bottom of that pile of shit. You have to listen to it and then you can choose to defend her LSD-flashback speech...or not. -
sleeper
I'd prefer not to argue semantics but Medicare is insolvent in "real dollars". If you take the projected funding for this program minus the projected outlay in 2013 dollars, you'll find the program is insolvent. Saying its okay because we can just print money is delusional at best and fraud at worst; take your pick.BoatShoes;1512723 wrote:You must not get it otherwise you'd stop using words like "solvency". There is no indication in any inflation forecasts published by private firms, banks or the regional reserve banks that our presently large commitment of real resources to old people is going to make our currency worthless. However, our current debt and deficit hysteria could lead to problems in investing in enough resources for the future. Are people going to have enough children to provide services to these old people when they're debt and cash-strapped and underemployed or unemployed today? Are we going to educate enough new doctors and nurses, etc??
Those are the real problems that we should be concerned about. If we don't want to move those real resources towards the benefit of seniors that's fine...we tell them to go take a hike but it's not a question of bankruptcy, insolvency or financial constraint. -
BoatShoes
But it is not semantics. Medicare is not "insolvent" in real terms. Not even close. Not even remotely close. The question is; is it a good and desirable thing to commit those resources to old people? Do we want 10% or whatever of what our economy produces to be oriented for the healthcare needs of old people?sleeper;1512726 wrote:I'd prefer not to argue semantics but Medicare is insolvent in "real dollars". If you take the projected funding for this program minus the projected outlay in 2013 dollars, you'll find the program is insolvent. Saying its okay because we can just print money is delusional at best and fraud at worst; take your pick.
The point of saying we can "print money" is simply to point out that it is a moot and non-sensical position to talk about medicare and obligations owed to U.S. citizens in those terms....not that we should just print dolla dolla bills ya'll and hand them to old people. -
BoatShoesBGFalcons82;1512725 wrote:I HIGHLY recommend you listen to the 2 minutes of utter drivel from Babs Boxer. The TEA Party nominates "whackadoodles", but she gets elected over and over and over and... She's on the "Whackadoodle" Top 10 list.
She is still part of the Obama Kool Aid Society that tags Bush with a $1.2 trillion deficit that Barry "inherited". Horseshit. Bush did NOT SIGN the "Stimulus" bill in February, 2009 which added nearly a trillion. We all know who's name is on the bottom of that pile of shit. You have to listen to it and then you can choose to defend her LSD-flashback speech...or not.
I only watched the first couple of seconds. I took your advice and started watching it again. Barbara Boxer is another fool that seems to think the "Clinton Surpluses" were a good thing? What can I say, the tea party doesn't own the monopoly on derp? Not really much worth defending.
But anyway....yes Obama "inherited" a deficit. But guess what??? It's silly to attribute that huge deficit as being George W. Bush's fault too. It was all because of the low tax revenue do to the contracting economy and huge increase in automatic stabilizer spending that goes up automatically when the economy gets bad...all without appropriated spending from Congress and all without the president having to sign a damn thing.
The deficit goes up and down and gets really big in bad times all without Congress having to pass anything. That's why balanced budget targets are largely silly when you're going to have so much automatic spending, tax credits and that is on autopilot. -
sleeper
http://www.gao.gov/new.items/d03577t.pdfBoatShoes;1512731 wrote:But it is not semantics. Medicare is not "insolvent" in real terms. Not even close. Not even remotely close. The question is; is it a good and desirable thing to commit those resources to old people? Do we want 10% or whatever of what our economy produces to be oriented for the healthcare needs of old people?
The point of saying we can "print money" is simply to point out that it is a moot and non-sensical position to talk about medicare and obligations owed to U.S. citizens in those terms....not that we should just print dolla dolla bills ya'll and hand them to old people.
Perhaps you should read the GAO report about the "solvency" of our entitlements. I pray every day that you aren't an Ohio State grad. -
sleeper
Not insolvent though. : thumbup: -
QuakerOatsBoatShoes;1512701 wrote:Medicare is the ultimate counterexample to this proposition. It is administered more efficiently than private health insurance companies are and dramatically improved the quality of life for seniors and their ability to obtain health care services. This was proven even more dramatically with the failure of Medicare Advantage to control costs as well as original medicare.
I can see its medication time again. -
IggyPride00
If we completely eliminated Medicare/Medicaid and government involvement tomorrow, what do we do to address the fact that companies rape and pillage our people because of price controls in every other industrialized nation? Being the only market that doesn't have them forces us to pay 10 and 20 times the cost of stuff, and it is why medical tech company lobbyists have payed tremendous money to our Congressmen (in both D & R administrations) to ensure we can't import any of that shit from other countries at the lower prices.
How long can that continue before we are broke, as it is far and away the biggest driver in perpetual cost increases. -
QuakerOatsobamaKare --- he did build it.
The Disaster Tour rolls on ...
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believer
http://dailycaller.com/2013/10/04/priests-threatened-with-arrest-if-they-minister-to-military-during-shutdown/
Hmmmmmm.....really?
I'm willing to bet Mooslim imam's in the military aren't being prevented from conducting prayer calls...particularly at Ft. Hood. -
QuakerOatshttp://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-10-06/exchanges-will-raise-u-s-health-care-costs.html
“Why are things set to go so badly? Because the architects of the health-care exchanges have relied on three crucial assumptions, all of which are probably wrong.”
“In the end, we have incentives for insurers not to compete, for customers not to care about price, and for insurers to drive up the cost of care. Not much of a marketplace, is it?”
“…the exchanges will fit into a long pattern of U.S. health-care policy: They will serve a constituency (a policy triumph) while driving up the cost of care (which will be blamed on external factors).”
Change we can believe in ... -
QuakerOatshttp://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2013/10/08/stewart-to-sebelius-on-health-care-law-am-i-a-stupid-man/
and the comments are spot on -
BGFalcons82
Oh goody, our private information, financing, and health history may be used against us in a court of law!!! Did Miranda Rights get torched in the 2000 page law or is it in the 23,000+ pages of regulations?
http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/obamacare-marketplace-personal-data-can-be-used-law-enforcement-and-audit-activities_762237.html
The take-home:Should you decide to apply for health coverage through Maryland Health Connection, the information you supply in your application will be used to determine whether you are eligible for health and dental coverage offered through Maryland Health Connection and for insurance affordability programs. It also may be used to assist you in making a payment for the insurance plan you select, and for related automated reminders or other activities permitted by law. We will preserve the privacy of personal records and protect confidential or privileged information in full accordance with federal and State law. We will not sell your information to others. Any information that you provide to us in your application will be used only to carry out the functions of Maryland Health Connection. The only exception to this policy is that we may share information provided in your application with the appropriate authorities for law enforcement and audit activities. -
gut
It's not a legitimate rape, thoughQuakerOats;1515636 wrote:College Grad: Obamacare Has 'Raped My Future'... -
sleeper
She's not the only one. I know a lot of people that still haven't woken up to the fact that they are going to drop $100's of dollars a month on insurance that they will never use. Most of these people just have a part time job that mostly goes to paying back their student loan debt and vodka(cheap vodka too).QuakerOats;1515636 wrote:College Grad: Obamacare Has 'Raped My Future'... -
ptown_trojans_1
My healthcare has gone down, and so has my girlfriend's.
We are both in our 20s.
Hope that helps. -
believer
You're too close to Fantasyland (DC) to understand the realities many of us in the heartland are facing under Obamanomics. But - hey - maybe after you get laid off due to the massive 17% gubmint "shutdown" you might. : thumbup:ptown_trojans_1;1515726 wrote:My healthcare has gone down, and so has my girlfriend's.
We are both in our 20s.
Hope that helps. -
believer
You're too close to Fantasyland (DC) to understand the realities many in the heartland are facing under Obamanomics in general.ptown_trojans_1;1515726 wrote:My healthcare has gone down, and so has my girlfriend's.
We are both in our 20s. Hope that helps.
But - hey - maybe after you get laid off due to the massive 17% gubmint "shutdown" you might.
Hope this helps! : thumbup: -
TedSheckler
You forgot to mention your coverage is now less and your deductible is way up.ptown_trojans_1;1515726 wrote:My healthcare has gone down, and so has my girlfriend's.
We are both in our 20s.
Hope that helps. -
WebFire
Correct. Something has to give, because premiums don't just go down. Obamacare or no Obamacare.TedSheckler;1515772 wrote:You forgot to mention your coverage is now less and your deductible is way up. -
QuakerOats[h=1] "Socialized Medicine is the Keystone to the Arch of the Socialist State."[/h] ---Vladimir Lenin
Change we can believe in ... -
ZWICK 4 PREZ
It’s like what Lenin said…you look for the person who will benefit, and, uh...