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obamaKare: the destruction begins

  • Spock
    Just think....this thread only has one more day.
  • CenterBHSFan
    Spock;1822595 wrote:Just think....this thread only has one more day.
    False.

    He has plenty of time to try and cram through all kinds of orders.
  • QuakerOats
    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/02/16/obamacare-in-death-spiral-aetna-ceo-says.html


    death spiral phase has been entered ....
  • Spock
    QuakerOats;1837505 wrote:http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/02/16/obamacare-in-death-spiral-aetna-ceo-says.html


    death spiral phase has been entered ....
    good

    maybe my healthcare premiums wont go up 50%
  • sleeper
    QuakerOats;1837505 wrote:http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/02/16/obamacare-in-death-spiral-aetna-ceo-says.html


    death spiral phase has been entered ....
    Excellent news. Hopefully the Republican plan that they've been working on for 6 years will be released soon so we can blame that for cost increases instead of ignoring the massive flaws in our healthcare system.
  • ptown_trojans_1
    Spock;1837507 wrote:good

    maybe my healthcare premiums wont go up 50%
    Doubt it.
    Your rates were going up before the law.
  • Con_Alma
    After the President's Day weekend, the House will be introducing legislation to repeal and replace The Affordable Care Act.
  • ptown_trojans_1
    Con_Alma;1837526 wrote:After the President's Day weekend, the House will be introducing legislation to repeal and replace The Affordable Care Act.
    What's the replacement and when shall it take over?
  • Con_Alma
    ptown_trojans_1;1837528 wrote:What's the replacement and when shall it take over?
    I would guess that next week there would be a better understanding of "what" and I would probably ask "if" it shall takeover as opposed to when. " When" should be a component of the legislation itself and it actually passing and being signed into law.
  • Con_Alma
    Some new details...

    http://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/319897-gop-leaders-provide-new-details-about-obamacare-plan
  • sleeper
    Like this detail:
    Importantly, the proposal would immediately repeal the penalties for violating ObamaCare's individual and employer mandates, making them toothless.

    That move could cause serious concern for insurers, who say the individual mandate is crucial for getting healthy people to enroll, balancing out the cost of sicker enrollees.


    The CBO has previously found that repealing the mandate would increase insurance premiums by roughly 20 percent.
    LOL
  • Con_Alma
    ...that a shame.
  • like_that
    I like Rand Paul's replacement and it seems to be gaining steam.
  • BoatShoes
    like_that;1837546 wrote:I like Rand Paul's replacement and it seems to be gaining steam.
    The $5,000 credit is just government spending through the internal revenue service. It would be more efficient to just have HHS issue $5000 cards like the Dep. Of Agriculture does with SNAP.

    But some consider that unjust dependency even the reliance on $5,000 in spending through credit system is economically the same.

    Moreover, I think they should just let the number float w/ plan and allow higher values up to out of pocket maximum.

    Require some to go away if not used for preventative care every year and then allow rest to roll over or be converted to cash at year end - that would generate the sort of consumer incentives GOP wants.

    Would be way better carrot than Obamacare IMHO.

    Think you need to keep the tax on freeloaders though as an added stick but axe the medicare tax increase and tax on medical devices.

    Also should only get the tax free card/credit obvi if you have health insurance.

    My guess is Paul's plan will increase the deficit more than ocare but I think that is a good thing.
  • Spock
    sleeper;1837513 wrote:Excellent news. Hopefully the Republican plan that they've been working on for 6 years will be released soon so we can blame that for cost increases instead of ignoring the massive flaws in our healthcare system.
    You haven't seen it? It could walk up and slap you and you wouldn't know it. Its called the free market.
  • Azubuike24
    Cross-state rating plans as well?
  • QuakerOats
    http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2017/05/25/dr-siegel-truth-about-your-health-care-obamacare-and-cbo-numbers.html

    Nice summary by Dr. Siegel.

    obamaKare premiums up 105 % in 4 years............. No one needed hindsight to know this was going to be a complete disaster.
  • gut
    Not a single Republican vote to pass that disaster....and not a single Democratic vote for fixing it.
  • QuakerOats
    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/08/03/health-insurers-in-idaho-request-premium-rate-hikes-as-high-as-81-percent.html


    81% premium increases in Idaho ...............and obama's Marxists FORCE THE PEOPLE to buy it.

    The most EPIC legislative and administrative disaster rolls on.
  • Spock
    QuakerOats;1865298 wrote:http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/08/03/health-insurers-in-idaho-request-premium-rate-hikes-as-high-as-81-percent.html


    81% premium increases in Idaho ...............and obama's Marxists FORCE THE PEOPLE to buy it.

    The most EPIC legislative and administrative disaster rolls on.
    The dems are going to lose a lot of Senate seats in 2018 resisting repeal.
  • salto
    Belly35;1706324 wrote:I have Tricare, VA and Medicare .... for over 40 years I worked and paid for my family insurance never asking for anything... now it's my time to collect ...mofo
    Enjoy it while you can. If POtuS drumpf and the GOP stay in charge, it'll all be significantly reduced.
  • QuakerOats
    Said who ............msnbc?
  • QuakerOats
    August 9, 2017: The individual healthcare mandate requires every American to buy health insurance or pay a fine. In 2016, 6.5 million Americans chose to pay the fine rather than sign up for insurance on the Obamacare exchanges.[SUP][1][/SUP]
    The mandate has always been the most unpopular part of President Obama’s healthcare law, officially known as the Affordable Care Act. In addition to those who pay the fine rather than buy the mandated levels of insurance, 15 million people would drop their Obamacare coverage if it were legal to do so.
    This does not necessarily mean that these individuals want to go without insurance. Obamacare requires every insurance policy to cover a set of what it defines as Essential Health Benefits.[SUP][2][/SUP] The more benefits that a plan covers, the more expensive it is. Some people might prefer to buy less comprehensive insurance at a lower cost. For example, one option might be to buy insurance only for major healthcare costs such as surgeries or hospitalizations.
    Since most Americans receive health insurance from their employer, the rising cost of healthcare is a key factor holding down wage growth. If the cost of benefits were the same today as a generation ago, the average pay for full-time workers would be more than $3,300 higher annually. Some people might prefer a bigger paycheck and less comprehensive coverage.
    Healthcare policy analyst Bob Laszewski believes the ongoing unpopularity of Obamacare insurance coverage raises questions about “stability in the individual-health-insurance market.” He notes that “only about 40 percent of those eligible for subsidies have signed up for coverage. In what other business or government program would such a dismal acceptance by those it was targeted to serve be considered a success?”[SUP][1]

    https://ballotpedia.org/Scott_Rasmussen's_Number_of_the_Day

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  • QuakerOats
    Iowa's only remaining obamaKare insurer looking for 57% premium increase.



    And yet there are some Marxists still saying we need to do more of this.


    Please, stop the insanity.
  • gut
    QuakerOats;1867266 wrote: And yet there are some Marxists still saying we need to do more of this.
    On the contrary, I think they readily now admit that the insurers were never the answer (and anyone who actually understood insurance company margins and how they make their money knew this).

    You can strip out all the fat and pigs at the trough (like too many tests, too many administrators, too many costly lawsuits) and eventually you realize that our pricing is just generally out of whack and too high. Doctors make multiples of what they make in Europe and other socialized healthcare "utopias". Hospitals I don't know, but I imagine more of the same. You have serious structural issues that even single payer won't address productively (if not disastrously).

    60-70% of the US healthcare "premium" is hospital and ambulatory care (outpatient). Plenty of doctors already cry about not making enough money, and many (most?) hospitals are non-profit. What are you going to do?