obamaKare: the destruction begins

• CenterBHSFan

  

  Not a theory, really. I didn't even imply that. I said the people that I know of, read about or watched something on.
• sleeper

  

  CenterBHSFan;1818448 wrote:Not a theory, really. I didn't even imply that. I said the people that I know of, read about or watched something on.

  Do you know anyone with a college degree?
• CenterBHSFan

  

  sleeper;1818449 wrote:Do you know anyone with a college degree?

  Are you serious?
• CenterBHSFan

  

  I'm going to guess that you somehow read into what I said and maybe supposed to that I had a group of people that I have questioned, carefully examined and aligned some sort of principled analysis to them.
  
  In a way, I guess one could say that. But I was only speaking of myself, with no "science" behind anything.
• ZWICK 4 PREZ

  

  Not only is single payer inevitable, it's the only option that will work.
• like_that

  

  I would add #4, which are Obama fanboys/girls who are incapable of ever being critical of Obama and thus they conveniently change the narrative to single payer, because that is what the media is telling them to do now.
  
  Sleeper is an outlier when it comes to single payer support.
• Dr Winston O'Boogie

  

  QuakerOats;1818437 wrote:Again, that makes perfect sense; let's be like the rest of the 'modern world' .....maybe we can go there for care.
  
  
  And you do know what Trump would do, he will repeal this historic disaster and the republican plan will be inserted in its place and signed into law. Then we can all go back to having health insurance that is reasonably affordable and retain health care that is the envy of the 'modern world'.

  Health insurance wasn't reasonably affordable before Obamacare. Premiums have been rising on the same trajectory for years before and after the legislation's passage. I don't believe Obamacare is the best we can do, but it was a first decent effort at tackling the takeover of our healthcare by the insurance industry. Like Obama or not, at least he has gotten the ball rolling which is more than any of his predecessors can say (from both parties).
• like_that

  

  Dr Winston O'Boogie;1818486 wrote:Health insurance wasn't reasonably affordable before Obamacare. Premiums have been rising on the same trajectory for years before and after the legislation's passage. I don't believe Obamacare is the best we can do, but it was a first decent effort at tackling the takeover of our healthcare by the insurance industry. Like Obama or not, at least he has gotten the ball rolling which is more than any of his predecessors can say (from both parties).

  This is pretty much like saying "the Browns have been shitty at the QB position for the last 20+ years, but at least they drafted weeden/manziel." Like Obama or not, he doesn't get to escape criticism after all the bullshit he fed us for 8 years regarding Obamacare. What brings the must lulz is the people who went wacko over Obamacare and Obama's healthcare rhetoric are now trying to convince everyone that Obama's plan all along was for it to fail so eventually when he leaves we can move onto single payer... LOL
• QuakerOats

  ZWICK 4 PREZ;1818453 wrote:Not only is single payer inevitable, it's the only option that will work.

  
  Wow
• Dr Winston O'Boogie

  

  like_that;1818491 wrote:This is pretty much like saying "the Browns have been shitty at the QB position for the last 20+ years, but at least they drafted weeden/manziel." Like Obama or not, he doesn't get to escape criticism after all the bullshit he fed us for 8 years regarding Obamacare. What brings the must lulz is the people who went wacko over Obamacare and Obama's healthcare rhetoric are now trying to convince everyone that Obama's plan all along was for it to fail so eventually when he leaves we can move onto single payer... LOL

  I don't see the comparison. Drafting a QB is required if you want someone to take the snaps; there's nothing innovative to it. Obamacare is a dramatic effort at fixing an insurance-beholden system. No president in my lifetime has taken similarly bold steps to address this. That was my point. I also don't believe Obama drafted this thing as a first step in a master plan to get somewhere else.
• like_that

  

  Dr Winston O'Boogie;1818503 wrote:I don't see the comparison. Drafting a QB is required if you want someone to take the snaps; there's nothing innovative to it. Obamacare is a dramatic effort at fixing an insurance-beholden system. No president in my lifetime has taken similarly bold steps to address this. That was my point. I also don't believe Obama drafted this thing as a first step in a master plan to get somewhere else.

  Something needed to be done (QB situation/healthcare needs to be fixed), so a QB was was drafted (obamacare passed). Both have been massive failures and neither deserve praise for "trying."
• HitsRus

  

  I'm on to the progressive bullshit of "moving the needle", and you should be too. They've done it with healthcare...they're trying it with the 2nd amendment. They don't care if it works as long as it advances the long term goal.
  
  
  read Zwick:

  Not only is single payer inevitable, it's the only option that will work.

  No wonder Pelosi said it wasn't necessary to read Obamacare before passing it....it wasn't about it working, it was about getting the foot in the door to get to single payer.
  
  Wise up, dumbasses, that's the Progressive's MO...
  
  Progressives are the most dangerous people in this country...they are smug in their self righteousness and elitism, and they'll use any means to accomplish their ends....and that includes lying, cheating, name calling, and splitting up the country if it is to their political advantage. We've had 8 years of it, and we are about to elect 4 more.
  SMH.
• sleeper

  

  HitsRus;1818510 wrote:I'm on to the progressive bullshit of "moving the needle", and you should be too. They've done it with healthcare...they're trying it with the 2nd amendment. They don't care if it works as long as it advances the long term goal.
  
  
  read Zwick:
  
  
  No wonder Pelosi said it wasn't necessary to read Obamacare before passing it....it wasn't about it working, it was about getting the foot in the door to get to single payer.
  
  Wise up, dumbasses, that's the Progressive's MO...
  
  Progressives are the most dangerous people in this country...they are smug in their self righteousness and elitism, and they'll use any means to accomplish their ends....and that includes lying, cheating, name calling, and splitting up the country if it is to their political advantage. We've had 8 years of it, and we are about to elect 4 more.
  SMH.

  Good.
  
  I can't wait for single payer. It's certainly preferable to the Republican strategy of doing nothing to fix healthcare except let poor people die for being poor.
• ZWICK 4 PREZ

  

  HitsRus;1818510 wrote:I'm on to the progressive bullshit of "moving the needle", and you should be too. They've done it with healthcare...they're trying it with the 2nd amendment. They don't care if it works as long as it advances the long term goal.
  
  
  read Zwick:
  
  
  No wonder Pelosi said it wasn't necessary to read Obamacare before passing it....it wasn't about it working, it was about getting the foot in the door to get to single payer.
  
  Wise up, dumbasses, that's the Progressive's MO...
  
  Progressives are the most dangerous people in this country...they are smug in their self righteousness and elitism, and they'll use any means to accomplish their ends....and that includes lying, cheating, name calling, and splitting up the country if it is to their political advantage. We've had 8 years of it, and we are about to elect 4 more.
  SMH.

  Calm down QQ junior. Your precious little world isn't ending.
  Health care was on an unsustainable path for consumers and the government. Inflation in healthcare was rising faster than anyone could affford and the government was spending more in default protections for insurance companies than it could afford. You had to do something about the uninsured. Free market, open lanes isn't going to address that. We can't afford free market healthcare. Better jump on board bc it's coming. It's not going back. It can't go back. We can't afford it.
• like_that

  

  sleeper;1818511 wrote:Good.
  
  I can't wait for single payer. It's certainly preferable to the Republican strategy of doing nothing to fix healthcare except let poor people die for being poor.

  You hate poor people.
• like_that

  

  HitsRus;1818510 wrote:I'm on to the progressive bullshit of "moving the needle", and you should be too. They've done it with healthcare...they're trying it with the 2nd amendment. They don't care if it works as long as it advances the long term goal.
  
  
  read Zwick:
  
  
  No wonder Pelosi said it wasn't necessary to read Obamacare before passing it....it wasn't about it working, it was about getting the foot in the door to get to single payer.
  
  Wise up, dumbasses, that's the Progressive's MO...
  
  Progressives are the most dangerous people in this country...they are smug in their self righteousness and elitism, and they'll use any means to accomplish their ends....and that includes lying, cheating, name calling, and splitting up the country if it is to their political advantage. We've had 8 years of it, and we are about to elect 4 more.
  SMH.

  Regressives in a nutshell.
• SportsAndLady

  

  like_that;1818516 wrote:Regressives in a nutshell.

  Seriously.
  
  Hts' post was everything that is wrong with people his age.
• Spock

  

  sleeper;1818511 wrote:Good.
  
  I can't wait for single payer. It's certainly preferable to the Republican strategy of doing nothing to fix healthcare except let poor people die for being poor.

  Jesus you are narrow minded. Tort reform and opening the free market would of done the trick. Your post suggests that all you feel would work in government intervention
• sleeper

  

  Spock;1818527 wrote:Jesus you are narrow minded. Tort reform and opening the free market would of done the trick. Your post suggests that all you feel would work in government intervention

  TRUMP. LOL
• HitsRus

  

  SportsAndLady;1818522 wrote:Seriously.
  
  Hts' post was everything that is wrong with people his age.

  Really? Because I want a solution that gets vetted and not rammed thru Congress? Maybe you like the country being split up into pieces all the while being lied to as if you were a sucker. ( well they were right about something). Obamacsre was a big lie... Gun control laws they propose will be ineffectual and they know it. It's all about advancing the agenda whether it be a little or a lot... Recognize it. Be aware. Your gonna have to live with it a long time.
• like_that

  

  SportsAndLady;1818522 wrote:Seriously.
  
  Hts' post was everything that is wrong with people his age.

  I actually agree with him, maybe for different reasons, but I like the take. If he was referring to millennials, then I am not down for the millennial bashing.
  
  I am all for progressive movements, but the so called progressives in this modern day and age aren't progressive anymore and that's why I call them regressives. They want to shove down their ideology down everyone's throats while also disrupting their livelihoods, even when they know they are most likely wrong. Case in point is how dems handle poor black communities. They don't do shit for them and haven't done shit for them for 50 years, yet they still find a way to perpetuate racial divide and get their votes.
• HitsRus

  

  ^^^Thank you. Not millennial bashing at all. I am not one who gets in these generation piss fights. It's about progressivism and their big government solutions and control.
  You are entirely right in calling them "regressive" because the tendencies of government to usurp power over time are well documented throughout history. The philosophy of the enlightenment and our Founders recognized that and formed a country based on limited government. It is a regression to assign more control to government at the expense of liberty and personal responsibility. The big problem is that some people have no clue... And a lot of the "educated" people are more familiar with the philosophies of Marx and Engels than they are of our own history.
• Classyposter58

  

  like_that;1818648 wrote:I actually agree with him, maybe for different reasons, but I like the take. If he was referring to millennials, then I am not down for the millennial bashing.
  
  I am all for progressive movements, but the so called progressives in this modern day and age aren't progressive anymore and that's why I call them regressives. They want to shove down their ideology down everyone's throats while also disrupting their livelihoods, even when they know they are most likely wrong. Case in point is how dems handle poor black communities. They don't do shit for them and haven't done shit for them for 50 years, yet they still find a way to perpetuate racial divide and get their votes.

  The problem with millenials (my group) is such a large portion compared to other generations go to college and are not only taught from a liberal viewpoint, but sheltered from hardship. Let's be honest here, kids with bachelors degrees aren't really going to struggle in life as they'll be able to generally get good employment through life.
  
  Then these types advocate liberal reforms because they feel bad for the less fortunate while living comfortably
• ZWICK 4 PREZ

  

  Classyposter58;1818803 wrote:Let's be honest here, kids with bachelors degrees aren't really going to struggle in life as they'll be able to generally get good employment through life.
  
  Then these types advocate liberal reforms because they feel bad for the less fortunate while living comfortably

  what alternate reality do you live in?
• Belly35

  

  sleeper;1818446 wrote:I'm none of those people.
  
  Theory debunked.

  Dispite all your claims to bang a lot of women here on the OC and talk about it (where have we heard that scenario) and all of you me be wealth garb..... You're gay security broker and that the reason you support Hillary...