obamaKare: the destruction begins

• QuakerOats

  Yep. He's now lying about his lies, and so are his marxist allies.
  
  
  
  
  This regime needs to be thrown into the streets.
• believer

  

  Barry promised to run the most transparent administration in American history. Well, I'd say we can all definitely see the bullshit.
• BoatShoes

  BGFalcons82;1530545 wrote:Amazing compilation. 36 times the Liar-In-Chief promised those that like their plan can keep their plan "period". Some as recent as 2 months ago.
  
  http://nation.foxnews.com/2013/11/06/36-times-obama-lied-your-health-plan-died-…
  
  Obama lied and your health plan died. And yet...the media and Obama nut-lickers are running around claiming he didn't lie. It takes a special kind of moron to defend this garbage...kind of like the ones running around Germany in the mid-1930's.
  
  This shit is impeachable.

  Let's see. Obama either lied or was ignorant every time he said "if you like your plan you can keep it". Every Democrat who parroted that line either lied or was ignorant. Every Republican or Tea Partier who called the ACA a government takeover of healthcare or Socialism or Marxism either lied or was ignorant. That leaves precious few (if any) left. What now?
  
  Let's just get the impeachment process going already. Are we gonna bark all day Tea Party or are we gonna bite???
• QuakerOats

  Why can't the president muster 3 ounces of integrity; admit his mistakes; delay the disaster; and work on a plan that will help the few million who might need it, while not ruining the finest health care ever known and destroying the insurance that tens of millions like and rely on ??????
• like_that

  

  BoatShoes;1530843 wrote:Let's see. Obama either lied or was ignorant every time he said "if you like your plan you can keep it". Every Democrat who parroted that line either lied or was ignorant. Every Republican or Tea Partier who called the ACA a government takeover of healthcare or Socialism or Marxism either lied or was ignorant. That leaves precious few (if any) left. What now?
  
  Let's just get the impeachment process going already. Are we gonna bark all day Tea Party or are we gonna bite???

  Yup that makes it all ok (what happened to the rolling eyes emoticon). Also the bolded part is a hell of a lot more accurate than Obama's bold face lie.
• BoatShoes

  like_that;1530864 wrote:Yup that makes it all ok (what happened to the rolling eyes emoticon). Also the bolded part is a hell of a lot more accurate than Obama's bold face lie.

  None of it is "ok" but what now? Seemingly every politician of consequence has lied/distorted the truth about the Affordable Care Act. And, no the bolded part is equally false. Indeed, at least we know that the ACA is not socialism or marxism by definition. All of the demagoguery over the law was just as much bullshit as the overselling by Obongo and co.
• BoatShoes

  QuakerOats;1530860 wrote:Why can't the president muster 3 ounces of integrity; admit his mistakes; delay the disaster; and work on a plan that will help the few million who might need it, while not ruining the finest health care ever known and destroying the insurance that tens of millions like and rely on ??????

  He'd do a lot for himself to show the kind of humility that Sebelius has shown. Of course you'll call it a "disaster" but if the website ever gets going it will improve the lives of millions. One thing he could do to fix it is sign Ron Johnson's constructive proposal to allow for plans w/o the "ten essential benefits" to continue which will permit the continued existence of previous plans.
• jmog

  BoatShoes;1530867 wrote:He'd do a lot for himself to show the kind of humility that Sebelius has shown. Of course you'll call it a "disaster" but if the website ever gets going it will improve the lives of millions. One thing he could do to fix it is sign Ron Johnson's constructive proposal to allow for plans w/o the "ten essential benefits" to continue which will permit the continued existence of previous plans.

  That's your opinion, not fact.
  
  A growing majority of people's opinions is that it will cost those millions of people much more money than they ever expected and they will not be able to afford it (imagine that, not being able to afford the 'afforadable care act').
  
  How is it improving their lives if they can not afford it? Come on boat, post something sensical.
  
  
  Are you ever going to admit you were wrong and no matter what it is called, ACA or Obamacare American's don't want it? You can do it, admit when you were wrong.
• BoatShoes

  ccrunner609;1530902 wrote:Sebelius hasn't shown shit. She is sitting in front of congress wasting everyones time and should be in jail

  At least she is admitting she is accountable. It would be refreshing to hear Obama say something like that.
• BoatShoes

  jmog;1531027 wrote:That's your opinion, not fact.
  
  A growing majority of people's opinions is that it will cost those millions of people much more money than they ever expected and they will not be able to afford it (imagine that, not being able to afford the 'afforadable care act').
  
  How is it improving their lives if they can not afford it? Come on boat, post something sensical.
  
  
  Are you ever going to admit you were wrong and no matter what it is called, ACA or Obamacare American's don't want it? You can do it, admit when you were wrong.

  Well you're just speculating that a lot of people aren't going to be able to afford it. Again, this is Obama and Co.'s fault for fucking up the exchange websites and we haven't yet heard much from any happy customers.
  
  LOL, I've already said my opinion on the matter. I do not think that polling on the affordable care act/obamacare as constructed is very informative. I don't think you can reasonably say with certainty that "Americans want the Policy Mix and Consequences from the ACA" or "Americans don't want the Policy Mix and Consequences from the ACA."
  
  I think you're wrong to say, definitively, that Americans don't want it. Period. It does not follow from bad polling on Obamacare or the ACA that Americans Definitely Do Not Want Obamacare as you say. It's like saying it follows that Americans wanted Obama because he beat Romney. Maybe people just kinda thought Obama sucked less? You can't draw the type of inference that you're doing. You should be at least as judicious w/ regard to Obamacare's popularity as you are to Climate Research Data (which the IPCC has uped to a 95% C.I. FWIW) lol.
  
  I think it's speculation at best at this point whether people want it or not. The Jury is out IMHO.
• BoatShoes

  like_that;1530864 wrote:Yup that makes it all ok (what happened to the rolling eyes emoticon). Also the bolded part is a hell of a lot more accurate than Obama's bold face lie.

  How could I forget, "Death Panels"! LOL.
• QuakerOats

  BoatShoes;1531071 wrote:At least she is admitting she is accountable. It would be refreshing to hear Obama say something like that.

  
  She is quite obviously NOT accountable. Being accountable means you will be subject to repercussions in the event things go wrong, i.e. termination, or demotion, or salary cut, or transfer; OR, perhaps face damages for wrongdoing if the acts are egregious and warrant.
  
  She is not accountable, and no one this regime is accountable .... ever.
  
  They are destroying the republic, and getting away with it in broad daylight.
  
  And folks like you are aiding and abetting.
• BGFalcons82

  

  The site won't allow direct replies as the "Reply With Quote" feature is broken again. Mr. Shoes wrote:
  

  Let's see. Obama either lied or wasignorant every time he said "if you like your plan you can keep it".Every Democrat who parroted that line either lied or was ignorant. EveryRepublican or Tea Partier who called the ACA a government takeover of healthcareor Socialism or Marxism either lied or was ignorant. That leaves precious few(if any) left. What now?
  
  Let's just get the impeachment process going already. Are we gonna bark all dayTea Party or are we gonna bite???

  
  
  Obama is only defined as ignorant in the sycophant media and nut-licking Kool-Aid crowd. He's the most celebrated, "He Didn't Know" President of all time. Every scandal, he claims he didn't know what was going on under his own roof. AND people like you are just fine with an ignorant, conniving, lying community agitating fraud.
  
  He knows EXACTLY what he's doing and claiming he's ignorant is frankly, a pathetic denial of the truth. He clearly lied the posted 36 times in order to sell his plan. If he had uttered the truth in 2009 and 2010 about millions losing their coverage, rates skyrocketing for some and people losing doctors, it would have NEVER passed. I'm reminded of another Liberal King of last century, who looked directly into the camera and wagged his bony finger claiming, "I did not have sex with that woman, Miss Lewinsky". It's apparently easy for some to do it when the ends justify the means.
  
  Are you comfortable with your President talking directly to you and lying about your coverage, your doctor and your rates? You're OK with that? Doesn't that behavior deserve punishment? Is blatant lying now the norm..."oh stop, BG, EVERYBODY does it. You just need to calm down and go with it." Is this where we are?
  
  This lying manipulating total fraud POTUS deserves punishment, if not jailtime.
• jmog

  BoatShoes;1531080 wrote:Well you're just speculating that a lot of people aren't going to be able to afford it. Again, this is Obama and Co.'s fault for fucking up the exchange websites and we haven't yet heard much from any happy customers.
  
  LOL, I've already said my opinion on the matter. I do not think that polling on the affordable care act/obamacare as constructed is very informative. I don't think you can reasonably say with certainty that "Americans want the Policy Mix and Consequences from the ACA" or "Americans don't want the Policy Mix and Consequences from the ACA."
  
  I think you're wrong to say, definitively, that Americans don't want it. Period. It does not follow from bad polling on Obamacare or the ACA that Americans Definitely Do Not Want Obamacare as you say. It's like saying it follows that Americans wanted Obama because he beat Romney. Maybe people just kinda thought Obama sucked less? You can't draw the type of inference that you're doing. You should be at least as judicious w/ regard to Obamacare's popularity as you are to Climate Research Data (which the IPCC has uped to a 95% C.I. FWIW) lol.
  
  I think it's speculation at best at this point whether people want it or not. The Jury is out IMHO.

  
  I knew you couldn't admit it.
  
  You said, that when people are asked about Obamacare they don't want it but when they are asked about ACA its more 50/50.
  
  I provided a link that proved otherwise and you switch to this "well, the polls are meaningless" mantra instead of admitting your original statement was false.
  
  So, when someone is asked if they support Obamacare or ACA, regardless of how it is asked, more people are against it than are for it. That is a fact.
  
  If you want to dispute that fact, please do with a link.
  
  If you agree with that fact, then how can you said that the 'jury is still out' on if American's want it or don't want it? That is non-sensical.
  
  Side note:
  Your comparison of poll percentages to confidence interval percentages just furthers my belief that you have no clue what you are talking about with respect to statistics.
• QuakerOats

  http://kdvr.com/2013/11/06/nearly-250000-colorado-healthcare-plans-cancelled-under-obamacare/
  
  
  A quarter million cancelled in Colorado ........ the Destruction Tour rolls on.
  
  Change we can believe in ....
• BoatShoes

  jmog;1531279 wrote:I knew you couldn't admit it.
  
  You said, that when people are asked about Obamacare they don't want it but when they are asked about ACA its more 50/50.
  
  I provided a link that proved otherwise and you switch to this "well, the polls are meaningless" mantra instead of admitting your original statement was false.
  
  So, when someone is asked if they support Obamacare or ACA, regardless of how it is asked, more people are against it than are for it. That is a fact.
  
  If you want to dispute that fact, please do with a link.
  
  If you agree with that fact, then how can you said that the 'jury is still out' on if American's want it or don't want it? That is non-sensical.
  
  Side note:
  Your comparison of poll percentages to confidence interval percentages just furthers my belief that you have no clue what you are talking about with respect to statistics.

  There is nothing to admit other than your logic and reasoning based on opinion polls on Obamacare are spurious at best.
  
  1). The polling is inconclusive as I've already pointed out. Individual parts of the law poll well. Calling it ACA/Obamacare yield different results. You're acting like it's conclusive when it is not. You seem to find great importance and epistemological clarity in what percentage of people answer "Do you support Obamacare/ACA" in the affirmative or negative. I don't.
  
  2). Even if it were conclusive, it does not follow from negative polling on the ACA/Obamacare however you say it that the public "doesn't want this law" as you're putting it. Your conclusion is too broad and does not follow.
  
  3). It is not non-sensical to say the jury is still out because your conclusion does not follow from negative polling on ACA/Obamacare.
  
  4). I only made the comparison because you find great epistemological clarity in this type of un-scientific polling but go to incredible lengths to deny claims with much stronger evidentiary support. You go so far as to say, with certainty, "America does not want this law" over this type of polling but years upon years of empirical investigation are easily dismissed by you. What do you think the CI is for your bold claim "America doesn't want this law!" based on the evidence, lol! Your epistemological standards are much lower when it comes to Obongo lol.
• BoatShoes

  BGFalcons82;1531274 wrote:The site won't allow direct replies as the "Reply With Quote" feature is broken again. Mr. Shoes wrote:
  
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  Obama is only defined as ignorant in the sycophant media and nut-licking Kool-Aid crowd. He's the most celebrated, "He Didn't Know" President of all time. Every scandal, he claims he didn't know what was going on under his own roof. AND people like you are just fine with an ignorant, conniving, lying community agitating fraud.
  
  He knows EXACTLY what he's doing and claiming he's ignorant is frankly, a pathetic denial of the truth. He clearly lied the posted 36 times in order to sell his plan. If he had uttered the truth in 2009 and 2010 about millions losing their coverage, rates skyrocketing for some and people losing doctors, it would have NEVER passed. I'm reminded of another Liberal King of last century, who looked directly into the camera and wagged his bony finger claiming, "I did not have sex with that woman, Miss Lewinsky". It's apparently easy for some to do it when the ends justify the means.
  
  Are you comfortable with your President talking directly to you and lying about your coverage, your doctor and your rates? You're OK with that? Doesn't that behavior deserve punishment? Is blatant lying now the norm..."oh stop, BG, EVERYBODY does it. You just need to calm down and go with it." Is this where we are?
  
  This lying manipulating total fraud POTUS deserves punishment, if not jailtime.

  I am not comfortable with Obama's overselling of Obamacare. His precipitous drop in popularity might possibly indicate other people feel the same. You're right, the fact that you, of all people, didn't care about the lies told by the Tea Party and repeated them yourself does not matter. The fact that Republicans lied about the law from day one does not matter You and the Republicans of political consequence are free to be a hypocrites.
  
  It doesn't amount to the Presidents lying. A washed-up former governor lying is not the same as the President doing it. However, I don't see what there is to be done about Obama's lying besides impeach the man. The Republicans apparently have the votes. Why don't they do it?
• HitsRus

  

  But this is what grinds my gears...most of my in-laws are very intelligent. Wife's uncle was a dean at Nebraska, wife's cousin is a Harvard Law grad and is a law professor at Colorado - they are very smart....yet still buy into this. Why?

  They buy into the elitism....being intelligent and knowing they are more intelligent/educated than most people, they 'know' ....or someone like them knows.... what is good for the more common among us. It is an easy leap of faith for them to think that those "educated/intelligent people" in government can make decisions for the good of everybody. They think the poor 'rubes' are incapable of living without their help.
• TedSheckler

  

  Johnny Bench's insurance has been cancelled.
• jmog

  BoatShoes;1531324 wrote:There is nothing to admit other than your logic and reasoning based on opinion polls on Obamacare are spurious at best.
  
  1). The polling is inconclusive as I've already pointed out. Individual parts of the law poll well. Calling it ACA/Obamacare yield different results. You're acting like it's conclusive when it is not. You seem to find great importance and epistemological clarity in what percentage of people answer "Do you support Obamacare/ACA" in the affirmative or negative. I don't.
  
  2). Even if it were conclusive, it does not follow from negative polling on the ACA/Obamacare however you say it that the public "doesn't want this law" as you're putting it. Your conclusion is too broad and does not follow.
  
  3). It is not non-sensical to say the jury is still out because your conclusion does not follow from negative polling on ACA/Obamacare.
  
  4). I only made the comparison because you find great epistemological clarity in this type of un-scientific polling but go to incredible lengths to deny claims with much stronger evidentiary support. You go so far as to say, with certainty, "America does not want this law" over this type of polling but years upon years of empirical investigation are easily dismissed by you. What do you think the CI is for your bold claim "America doesn't want this law!" based on the evidence, lol! Your epistemological standards are much lower when it comes to Obongo lol.

  I have quite frankly made the distinction that the polling is an opinion poll and can not be compared to a scientific confidence interval.
  
  You stated (please don't make me go back and quote it) that polling (as in opinion polls) on ACA is more 50/50 while it is 'negative' for Obamacare. You were wrong, polling is NOT 50/50 on ACA.
  
  You can act like I am so stuck on an opinion poll but really I am stuck on the fact that you can't admit when you were wrong.
  
  So, if we poll 1000s of Americans and more of them say they don't want ACA than those that say they do, by your logic that is not good enough to conclude that American's don't want the ACA?
• jmog

  BoatShoes;1531331 wrote:I am not comfortable with Obama's overselling of Obamacare. His precipitous drop in popularity might possibly indicate other people feel the same. You're right, the fact that you, of all people, didn't care about the lies told by the Tea Party and repeated them yourself does not matter. The fact that Republicans lied about the law from day one does not matter You and the Republicans of political consequence are free to be a hypocrites.
  
  It doesn't amount to the Presidents lying. A washed-up former governor lying is not the same as the President doing it. However, I don't see what there is to be done about Obama's lying besides impeach the man. The Republicans apparently have the votes. Why don't they do it?

  What have us conservatives lied about the ACA? Come on, make a bulleted list.
• like_that

  

  jmog;1531492 wrote:What have us conservatives lied about the ACA? Come on, make a bulleted list.

  Prepare for a major reach in 3...2...1....
• sleeper

  

  like_that;1531503 wrote:Prepare for a major reach in 3...2...1....

  Prepare for an alternative proposal that involves increased government spending because we control our own currency in 3...2...1..
• QuakerOats

  sleeper;1531571 wrote:Prepare for an alternative proposal that involves increased government spending because we control our own currency in 3...2...1..

  
  : thumbup:
• believer

  

  sleeper;1531571 wrote:Prepare for an alternative proposal that involves increased government spending because we control our own currency in 3...2...1..

  
  Thank God for the Money Tree, eh?