Disgusted with obama administration - Part II
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BGFalcons82
I highly recommend you find a Youtube of last night's stroking session on 60 Minutes. After watching it, tell us if you believe he was asking hard and probing questions with well-timed follow up rebuttals whenever the King is dodging or simply inventing his "facts" like a journalist should OR was he tossing softballs, nodding in agreement with the King's answers and failing to confront Barry's obfuscations with known facts. Hint: Guess what the first "I" in ISIL stands for vs Barry's constant statements that we are not at war with Islam.Classyposter58;1658603 wrote:Uh 60 minutes is one of the best true journalistic outputs in America. I would say easily WSJ is #1 but then probably 60 Minutes is #2 -
HelloAgain
Fox News viewers typically score the worst on current event tests.BGFalcons82;1658570 wrote:Low Information Voters drool over it! -
BGFalcons82
MSNBC viewers are convinced Bush43 & Cheney are still roaming the halls of 1600 Pennsylvania Ave.HelloAgain;1658712 wrote:Fox News viewers typically score the worst on current event tests. -
ptown_trojans_1
We are at war with a religion? Huh, well, that has always worked out well throughout history.BGFalcons82;1658671 wrote:I highly recommend you find a Youtube of last night's stroking session on 60 Minutes. After watching it, tell us if you believe he was asking hard and probing questions with well-timed follow up rebuttals whenever the King is dodging or simply inventing his "facts" like a journalist should OR was he tossing softballs, nodding in agreement with the King's answers and failing to confront Barry's obfuscations with known facts. Hint: Guess what the first "I" in ISIL stands for vs Barry's constant statements that we are not at war with Islam.
Anyways, I agree that the interview was garbage. Totally let him walk all over him.
And the President throwing the Intelligence Community under the bus is a joke. There was previous Intel that ISIL was starting to form.
President's have faulty intelligence all the time, it is how you deal and work with that intel that makes the leader.
The President approved the Bin Laden raid with less intelligence than we have on ISIL.
I'm of the opinion we should have stuck last year, thus maybe avoiding, or at least limiting, the mess we have now. A year ago, more allies would have been on board and ISIL would not have been as formed. -
BGFalcons82
My initial point is "Islamic" is in the ISIL name he always uses and nobody calls it out to his face. Sissy-boy Steve is his new name.ptown_trojans_1;1658743 wrote:We are at war with a religion? Huh, well, that has always worked out well throughout history.
Regarding your assertion that Islam is a religion; this also under scrutiny. Sharia Law isn't exactly a prayer, is it? Beheading non-believers is a religious ceremony? Mutilating vaginas is akin to a ceremony like a baptism? The more I learn about their so-called religion, the more I question how their behaviors represent it. -
ptown_trojans_1
So, just because some use the terms Islamic and take a radical portion of it to its extreme, means everyone who is a Muslim is the enemy?BGFalcons82;1658753 wrote:My initial point is "Islamic" is in the ISIL name he always uses and nobody calls it out to his face. Sissy-boy Steve is his new name.
Regarding your assertion that Islam is a religion; this also under scrutiny. Sharia Law isn't exactly a prayer, is it? Beheading non-believers is a religious ceremony? Mutilating vaginas is akin to a ceremony like a baptism? The more I learn about their so-called religion, the more I question how their behaviors represent it.
So, let's play this to the logical conclusion, should we round up all Muslims around the country? Put them in prison, try them for being the enemy?
Should we go guns blazing to all Muslims countries then? Cause that will take a while.
Come on man, you are smarter than that. -
BGFalcons82
Never said that and your logical conclusion isn't logicalptown_trojans_1;1658758 wrote:So, just because some use the terms Islamic and take a radical portion of it to its extreme, means everyone who is a Muslim is the enemy?
So, let's play this to the logical conclusion, should we round up all Muslims around the country? Put them in prison, try them for being the enemy?
Should we go guns blazing to all Muslims countries then? Cause that will take a while.
Come on man, you are smarter than that.
The key to ridding these extremists is for the hundreds of millions of Muslims to rise up against the cancer in their midsts and rid the planet. Have you heard hundreds and hundreds of Imams and clerics speak out about ISIL? Where's Farakhan? Where's the wisdom from the 70s singer that turned into a Muslim and hid for a couple decades? Where's K.A. Jabbar? Where are they? They either secretly support these nutjobs or they are scared to death of speaking out against them...and if they are scared, what's that say for those of us in their machete-hairs?
Think about this: what other "religion" promotes...and demands...mutilation, beheadings, infanticide and stonings? -
ptown_trojans_1
Really? Just Google some news articles and you will find your answers. It will take 5 seconds.
Geesh. Amazing. -
BGFalcons82
This shit has been going on for as long as I can remember. These leaders have not stopped anything. Terrorist attacks in the name of their religion are on the rise. Bullshit they are stopping anything.ptown_trojans_1;1658804 wrote:Really? Just Google some news articles and you will find your answers. It will take 5 seconds.
Geesh. Amazing. -
Classyposter58
BGFalcons are you scared of the KKK? I haven't heard you speak out against them and they're the equivalent of groups like Al Qaeda. Obama interview wasn't all bad, he didn't go after him but did you expect him to? Honestly though Obama is a pretty smart dude and I'm not quite sure which interviewer could go after him -
SportsAndLady
Dear fucking Jesus you are undeniably the stupidest mother fucker in the worldClassyposter58;1658847 wrote:BGFalcons are you scared of the KKK? I haven't heard you speak out against them and they're the equivalent of groups like Al Qaeda. Obama interview wasn't all bad, he didn't go after him but did you expect him to? Honestly though Obama is a pretty smart dude and I'm not quite sure which interviewer could go after him -
QuakerOatsClassyposter58;1658847 wrote:BGFalcons are you scared of the KKK? I haven't heard you speak out against them and they're the equivalent of groups like Al Qaeda. Obama interview wasn't all bad, he didn't go after him but did you expect him to? Honestly though Obama is a pretty smart dude and I'm not quite sure which interviewer could go after him
WOW. A "pretty smart dude" about what? All he did in the interview is confirm that he fucked up (yet again) and then proceeded to do what he does best, blame somebody else. He threw Clapper right under the bus; this after he had been given the intel briefs for many months that ISIS was a force on the rise, which he completely disregarded (remember, they are just JV). The guy is the worst president in our history, no matter which way you view him: either as the enemy itself, or just the dumbest, laziest and most over-rated politician in history. -
QuakerOatshttp://www.breitbart.com/Big-Peace/2014/09/29/Report-Obama-Has-Missed-Over-Half-His-Second-Term-Daily-Intel-Briefings
obama misses majority of intel briefings ...........then throws intel under the bus.
Change we can believe in ... -
sleeper
Obama is not a "pretty smart dude". He's at the Bush level of stupidity at best.Classyposter58;1658847 wrote:BGFalcons are you scared of the KKK? I haven't heard you speak out against them and they're the equivalent of groups like Al Qaeda. Obama interview wasn't all bad, he didn't go after him but did you expect him to? Honestly though Obama is a pretty smart dude and I'm not quite sure which interviewer could go after him -
ptown_trojans_1
Ehh, I do not take much stock in that.QuakerOats;1658956 wrote:http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Peace/2014/09/29/Report-Obama-Has-Missed-Over-Half-His-Second-Term-Daily-Intel-Briefings
obama misses majority of intel briefings ...........then throws intel under the bus.
Change we can believe in ...
To me, the more important issue is is he reading them? If so, then what are the follow-ups?
Second, what exactly is going into the PDB every day?
What process is the DNI going through to get the intel to his level? -
iclfan2
As opposed to the geniuses who voted for Obama twice and don't watch any news? Or intelligence?HelloAgain;1658712 wrote:Fox News viewers typically score the worst on current event tests. -
believer
ptown_trojans_1;1658804 wrote:Really? Just Google some news articles and you will find your answers. It will take 5 seconds.
Geesh. Amazing.
Like this one? http://www.nationalreview.com/article/389117/islamic-literal-mindedness-ian-tuttle -
GRAYWOLF
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QuakerOatshttp://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/oct/7/producer-of-anti-obamacare-movie-hit-irs-audit/
Another hit job by obama's IRS ................ they know no bounds.
Change we can believe in ... -
BGFalcons82
The New York Times published this yesterday? http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2014/10/14/world/middleeast/us-casualties-of-iraq-chemical-weapons.html?smid=tw-nytimes&_r=2
So, if the Times says Hussein had chemical weapons... a/k/a Weapons of Mass Destruction... does that exonerate Bush43 and virtually every intelligence agency that said Iraq possessed them?
On another level, how do you feel about your government withholding this vital information from you? We all paid for that war in treasure and trillions of dollars, why are those people elected to represent us keeping us in the dark? -
ptown_trojans_1
No no no. Read.BGFalcons82;1663779 wrote:The New York Times published this yesterday? http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2014/10/14/world/middleeast/us-casualties-of-iraq-chemical-weapons.html?smid=tw-nytimes&_r=2
So, if the Times says Hussein had chemical weapons... a/k/a Weapons of Mass Destruction... does that exonerate Bush43 and virtually every intelligence agency that said Iraq possessed them?
On another level, how do you feel about your government withholding this vital information from you? We all paid for that war in treasure and trillions of dollars, why are those people elected to represent us keeping us in the dark?
In the article they even say that all the munitions were from pre-1991, so post Iraq War I.
All the intel and run up to the war was suggesting Iraqi still had a massive complex WMD program that was growing, and a nuclear program. (Which, there was no active nuclear program.)
That has turned out to be false.
There is a difference, but obviously, you did not catch it.All had been manufactured before 1991, participants said.
But, your take away from that article was, "Bush was right!"Many chemical weapons incidents clustered around the ruins of the Muthanna State Establishment, the center of Iraqi chemical agent production in the 1980s.
Boy, poor comprehension there.
On your last point, yeah, I am shocked from the cover up, but does not surprise me really as that time was just chaos and damage control in the DOD -
BGFalcons82
American troops discovered and came into contact with chemical weapons while in service in Iraq. Period. You want to claim that because they were made years before EXCLUDES them from EXISTING???ptown_trojans_1;1663797 wrote:No no no. Read.
In the article they even say that all the munitions were from pre-1991, so post Iraq War I.
All the intel and run up to the war was suggesting Iraqi still had a massive complex WMD program that was growing, and a nuclear program. (Which, there was no active nuclear program.)
That has turned out to be false.
There is a difference, but obviously, you did not catch it.
But, your take away from that article was, "Bush was right!"
Boy, poor comprehension there.
On your last point, yeah, I am shocked from the cover up, but does not surprise me really as that time was just chaos and damage control in the DOD
The bottom line is that our troops found WMDs in Iraq. That's the story along with the fact our government chose not to tell us. -
ptown_trojans_1
If you go back and look at the presentations and intelligence statements, they are still largely wrong.BGFalcons82;1663810 wrote:American troops discovered and came into contact with chemical weapons while in service in Iraq. Period. You want to claim that because they were made years before EXCLUDES them from EXISTING???
The bottom line is that our troops found WMDs in Iraq. That's the story along with the fact our government chose not to tell us.
But, to me, that isn't the main story.
Your last sentence is the takeaway. We found old mustard gas from pre-1991 and the DOD, for whatever reason from 2004 to now has chosen to hide it.
Why the hell did the DOD not come forward with this information before?
How many others are out there? How are the impacted people coping now?
I think we both can agree it is a hell of a story and one that needs further investigation. I just don't want to fall in the easy case of "See Bush was right" crowd because the story is much more complex than that. -
BGFalcons82
Ok.ptown_trojans_1;1663884 wrote:If you go back and look at the presentations and intelligence statements, they are still largely wrong.
But, to me, that isn't the main story.
Your last sentence is the takeaway. We found old mustard gas from pre-1991 and the DOD, for whatever reason from 2004 to now has chosen to hide it.
Why the hell did the DOD not come forward with this information before?
How many others are out there? How are the impacted people coping now?
I think we both can agree it is a hell of a story and one that needs further investigation. I just don't want to fall in the easy case of "See Bush was right" crowd because the story is much more complex than that.
Fast forward to today: What does the CDC and the feds know about the Ebola Virus they aren't telling us? The charletan in charge now, Frieden, is a political hack at best.