Disgusted with obama administration - Part II

• believer

  

  Can we at least SECURE THE FUCKING BORDER now?
• Dr Winston O'Boogie

  

  QuakerOats;1676583 wrote:When you are the 'leader' and you cannot lead, and you cannot unify, and you cannot gain consensus, and you cannot manage successfully; then you really are not a leader, and you should step aside for the greater good.

  Building consensus and unifying are not always part of leadership.
• QuakerOats

  Dr Winston O'Boogie;1676594 wrote:Building consensus and unifying are not always part of leadership.

  
  ............particularly when you can't achieve same. Too funny
• HitsRus

  

  Dr Winston O'Boogie;1676543 wrote:I appreciate that Obama has taken on something that successive administrations of both parties have failed to address in any meaningful way. I am glad that young people who are here through no action of their own will not face deportment. I am glad as a society we will not institute some type of police state in order to attempt to deport millions of people and I truly believe the vast majority of people who have come into the US both legally and illegally seek legitimate opportunity and will ultimately add to the greatness of our country. The same fears being expressed today have been voiced ad infinitum while earlier generations came into this country. The Irish, Jews, Italians, Asians, etc were all going to take jobs from Americans and live entirely on the dole. Instead these groups have helped make America what it is today.
  
  Executive action was required. It's been done many times before, so the "emperor" accusation doesn't hold water.

  The most proper use of Executive action is with the consent of congress or the implied consent of congress, and becomes less "proper " the more it flies in the face of the people's representatives. Rarely has it been used in defiance of congress... And then only with Constitutiional support... i.e. Truman's order to desegregate the military. His statement that executive actions are nothing new, and been used by all administrations in the" past 50 years" is a half truth or misrepresentation as nothing in the past even closely approaches this .
• like_that

  

  http://www.foxnews.com/leisure/2014/11/21/students-post-gross-lunch-pictures-with-thanksmichelleobama-hashtag/
• CenterBHSFan

  

  Dr Winston O'Boogie;1676543 wrote:I appreciate that Obama has taken on something that successive administrations of both parties have failed to address in any meaningful way. I am glad that young people who are here through no action of their own will not face deportment. I am glad as a society we will not institute some type of police state in order to attempt to deport millions of people and I truly believe the vast majority of people who have come into the US both legally and illegally seek legitimate opportunity and will ultimately add to the greatness of our country. The same fears being expressed today have been voiced ad infinitum while earlier generations came into this country. The Irish, Jews, Italians, Asians, etc were all going to take jobs from Americans and live entirely on the dole. Instead these groups have helped make America what it is today.
  
  Executive action was required. It's been done many times before, so the "emperor" accusation doesn't hold water.

  
  I think you are GROSSLY misrepresnting what people are thinking with this. I think most people simply do not want to reward people who to break the law and get away with it. That's not fear.
  But if that's how you want to box people in, in order for you to easily dismiss the concerns of others - hey, more power to ya. Let's see how far you get with it.
  
  Also, what about the people from other countries that have been trying to legally become an American for, sometimes, years? Why do those people get treated as second best?
  Perhaps I'm missing something in this and they're being leapfrogged to be accepted before the illegal immigrants?
• Belly35

  

  Dr Winston O'Boogie;1676543 wrote:I appreciate that Obama has taken on something that successive administrations of both parties have failed to address in any meaningful way. I am glad that young people who are here through no action of their own will not face deportment. I am glad as a society we will not institute some type of police state in order to attempt to deport millions of people and I truly believe the vast majority of people who have come into the US both legally and illegally seek legitimate opportunity and will ultimately add to the greatness of our country. The same fears being expressed today have been voiced ad infinitum while earlier generations came into this country. The Irish, Jews, Italians, Asians, etc were all going to take jobs from Americans and live entirely on the dole. Instead these groups have helped make America what it is today.
  
  Executive action was required. It's been done many times before, so the "emperor" accusation doesn't hold water.

  delusional ... 23% of illegals commit crime, illegals are 2or3 repeat offenders, 12% of California violent crime is committed by illegals, 1.6 billon spent on legal cost for illegals ( add to the greatness)
• ptown_trojans_1

  

  BTW, a House Panel found there was no Intelligence Failure or cover up on the Benghazi attack.
  http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/11/21/no-stand-down-order-or-military-missteps-in-benghazi-attack-gop-controlled/
  
  But, continue on people on here....
• believer

  

  ptown_trojans_1;1676717 wrote:But, continue on people on here....

  
• Dr Winston O'Boogie

  

  Belly35;1676672 wrote:delusional ... 23% of illegals commit crime, illegals are 2or3 repeat offenders, 12% of California violent crime is committed by illegals, 1.6 billon spent on legal cost for illegals ( add to the greatness)

  People who've committed felonies are not part of the amnesty.
• Dr Winston O'Boogie

  

  ccrunner609;1677021 wrote:they might as well be.......we sure as hell arent sending them home

  This doesn't mean anything constructive. There are millions of these people in the country - they've been coming in for decades. It isn't practical to deport all of them. And at this point, many of them have become part of our ongoing economy. I don't question that there are bad seeds in this group. And like I said, those people will still be deported. However those that are here and working and contributing to society are part of the US now whether we like it or not. What Obama did was simply stop all of the stupid talk that goes back and forth about it. Let's move on and deal with immigration in a proactive way going forward.
  
  Executive actions are part of every president's administration, so trying to act like this is an unprecedented step is meaningless.
• HitsRus

  

  ^^^Executive actions are not meant to fly in the face of the people's representatives unless there is a constitutional duty to do so. This action does not qualify. This is more like a king making his own laws. This issue needs a consensus.
  

  Executive actions are part of every president's administration

  I suggest you look at what executive actions have been taken in the past and see how this compares. The idea that that "executive action is a part of every administration" is spinning a justification for a very questionable action, and worse sets precedent for those who follow to do the same.
• FatHobbit

  

  Dr Winston O'Boogie;1677652 wrote:It isn't practical to deport all of them.

  The "it isn't practical" argument is a bunch of bull shit. There are lots of things that aren't practical but that doesn't mean it should be legal. The Republicans want to do something about this every bit as much as the Democrats. This was about Obama trying to get credit for it before the bill made it to his desk IMHO.
  

  Dr Winston O'Boogie;1677652 wrote:And like I said, those people will still be deported

  So it isn't practical to catch and deport illegals, but it is practical to catch the criminal illegals? They're illegal, how are they not all criminals?
• Belly35

  

  Dr Winston O'Boogie;1677652 wrote:This doesn't mean anything constructive. There are millions of these people in the country - they've been coming in for decades. It isn't practical to deport all of them. And at this point, many of them have become part of our ongoing economy. I don't question that there are bad seeds in this group. And like I said, those people will still be deported. However those that are here and working and contributing to society are part of the US now whether we like it or not. What Obama did was simply stop all of the stupid talk that goes back and forth about it. Let's move on and deal with immigration in a proactive way going forward.
  
  Executive actions are part of every president's administration, so trying to act like this is an unprecedented step is meaningless.

  Close the boarders, shoot to kill, deport the present felons to a small inhabited island in the Alantic w/ 5 months food supplies and then lets talk...
  
  Executive Order Action is to insure "present" laws are enforced not to re create, re write or alter present Congressional Orders of the Laws
• IggyPride00

  

  Obama fired the Secretary of Defense Hagel today because he wasn't a big enough dove for the regime.
  
  When he made the comment about Isis being one of the biggest threats we faced apparently the regime was outraged because Obama called them a JV team for Al Qaeda. They felt he was embarrassing the President by telling the truth instead of regime approved talking points.
  
  Obama wants to appoint a woman to the post whether she is qualified or not because that is the only thing important to the regime when naming replacements anymore. Gender politics is all this man seems to care about.
• QuakerOats

  Gender, race, and/or sexual orientation are all that matter. There is a reason we are in trouble.
• gut

  QuakerOats;1677801 wrote:Gender, race, and/or sexual orientation are all that matter. There is a reason we are in trouble.

  He knows he's a failure. He and Harry Reid spent the last 4 years failing all over the place in a, surprise, failed effort to re-take the House. All Obama has left is to embrace his base so he has a soft landing and can remain relevant after office.
  
  I think the end-game has always been to be an unremarkable POTUS (which he undershot significantly) and build a long, influential (and profitable!) Clinton-like legacy.
  
  Either Obama pushes thru his agenda with executive action, or he gets impeached and gets to go him early. Where's his downside?
• gut

  They'd be doing Obama a favor if they impeached him. I'm sure he'd prefer to be remembered as the first black POTUS to get impeached rather than judged on his, you know, record.
  
  Impeach him and then no one will remember him as a shitty, detached and disinterested POTUS.
• believer

  

  gut;1677822 wrote:They'd be doing Obama a favor if they impeached him. I'm sure he'd prefer to be remembered as the first black POTUS to get impeached rather than judged on his, you know, record.
  
  Impeach him and then no one will remember him as a shitty, detached and disinterested POTUS.

  
  Agreed. And he can always claim he was impeached because he's black. And I thought his Anointing was going to bring racial harmony to Merica.
  
  Meanwhile back in Ferguson....
• majorspark

  

  The only way Obama is getting impeached is if he strangles babies on live TV.
  
  What really amazes me is the legislative branch's willingness to cede power to the other two. The only branch Constitutionally vested with the authority to remove members of the other two branches from office. Reagan was denied the line item veto and rightfully so because it gives the executive branch a legislative power. Yet many Republicans at the time were all for it. It seems to me party politics sometimes trumps what is right.
  
  These executive orders are becoming the same thing. The executive branch is going to pick and choose which ones to execute. The executive it going interpret and execute laws passed by congress as it sees fit. Using its own discretion and not that of congress. Toss in a little bit of new law blurred with some legal twister and you get something outside of the intent of the legislative branch. But who cares those bickering fools can't agree on anything anyway. The King of England got sick of those fools and so did dare I say Hitler.
  
  Things get done so much easier with the dictate of one man. The founders were aware of this. They witnessed the dangers. There is a reason why the President is the Commander in Chief of the armed forces. When the legislative branch commits the nation to war the government is not operating under normal circumstances and one mans dictating power is essential to its prosecution. Outside of that the day to day functioning of the government is by design to be strangled among a bunch of bickering fools, an executive, and a gaggle of people in black robes. And that balanced against the 50 state governments and their local governments.
  
  I am getting sick of hearing about numbers of executive orders. Well this president had this number and that president had that number. That is meaningless to the argument. What is the context? What circumstances surround it? One illegal executive order outweighs infinite legal orders. You argue each one on its merits. I have a big problem with the President or his aids saying if congress doesn't act the I/president will. That tells me something about their mindset concerning executive orders. That is as brazen as I can remember in my lifetime. If you are not at the least troubled by those types of statements, if there are enough of you out there God help us.
• believer

  

  majorspark;1678139 wrote:That tells me something about their mindset concerning executive orders. That is as brazen as I can remember in my lifetime. If you are not at the least troubled by those types of statements, if there are enough of you out there God help us.

  THIS is precisely my concern. Our nation's founders authored an incredibly eloquent and ingenuous document designed to balance political power and insure that tyranny is kept at arm's length.
  
  The degree to which lawmakers on both sides of the aisle have ignored and usurped the express powers outlined in the Constitution is literally frightening. And it seems to me that the sheeple (that's for you gut!) in general don't seem to care as long as the Feds continues to promise them cradle to grave gubmint cheez in exchange for their former liberties.
• QuakerOats

  http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/nov/25/obama-amnesty-obamacare-clash-businesses-have-3000/
  
  
  The absurdities continue ...
  
  
  Change we can believe in ...
• BGFalcons82

  

  I am thankful that in 784 days, the King will abdicate his throne.
• QuakerOats

  The obama administration's assault on the economy, consumers, and capitalism in general, through the use of the militant EPA continues and now appears to be ramping up further if you can believe that:
  
  
  [h=3]EPA Clean-Power Plan Draws 1.6 Million Comments.[/h]MarketWatch (12/1, Williams) reports that the EPA had received “more than 1.6 million comments” on its proposed Clean Power Plan by the time the public-comment period expired Monday.
  The Hill (12/2, Cama) says the large number of comments submitted before Monday’s deadline “highlights the intense interest” from environmental groups that consider the rule a “historic effort to curb climate change,” and business and energy groups that “argue the sweeping regulations will choke the economy.” The article notes that “business groups opposed to the rules cited an industry-commissioned study from October” that concluded it would cost “at least $366 billion” to implement them, even though they “would have almost no impact on global greenhouse gas emissions.”
  Ohio Regulators: Power Plant Goals Aren’t Achievable. The AP (12/2, Smyth) reports that Ohio regulators told the EPA on Monday “that new federal goals for reducing mercury and other hazardous air pollutants from power plants are unachievable, costly and based on flawed assumptions.” The state Public Utilities Commission and the Ohio Environmental Protection Agency “were among hundreds of stakeholders around the country that filed responses to the proposal by President Barack Obama’s administration to regulate certain pollutants from coal- and oil-fired power plants.” A Federal review from earlier this decade “found roughly a third of tall smokestacks of coal-fired plants — structures that tend to send more emissions across state lines — were concentrated in five states along the Ohio River Valley, including Ohio.”
  Walker Says Wisconsin Would Be Hurt By EPA Rules. The AP (12/2) reports Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker sent a letter to the EPA “warning” that new air pollution regulations would hurt his state and the nation. Compliance with the Obama Administration’s proposed rule for cutting carbon dioxide emissions by 30% by 2030, Walker wrote, could cost Wisconsin’s Public Service Commission up to $13.4 billion.
  The Milwaukee Journal Sentinel (12/2, Bergquist, Content) reports that the Wisconsin Department of Natural Resources said the rules “would penalize state power companies with a mandate to curb greenhouse gas emissions nationally” under the proposed 30% cut.
  Texas PUC Also Critical Of Proposed Rules. The Dallas Morning News (12/2) reports that, according to Texas Public Utility Commission “comments submitted” to the Federal agency on Monday, the “new EPA law capping carbon dioxide emissions by power plants” is “unworkable” and an “unlawful intrusion.”
  Utilities Claim EPA Carbon Plan Could Put Reliable Power At Risk. Bloomberg News (12/2, Drajem) reports that in comments submitted to the EPA regarding its proposed Clean Power Plan, the Edison Electric Institute, which represents utilities including Southern Co. and Exelon, argued that the power-generating industry needs “a ‘glide path’ to cut greenhouse gases” from power plants over the next 15 years, “to avoid endangering affordable and reliable power.”
• QuakerOats

  Feds balk at releasing docs showing IRS sharing tax returns with White House...
  
  
  
  
  Change we can believe in ...