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Disgusted with obama administration - Part II

  • SportsAndLady
    Cleveland Buck;1708098 wrote:What more do you think there could be from an oil pipeline? They aren't building a hospital that cures cancer. That's like asking what would the pros be if the government tore down your house and neighborhood and built a Walmart there. The pros are there would be another shopping option for the local consumers and jobs for people to run it. It isn't some great gift to society that should overrule someone's right to their property.
    I wasn't trying to be a dick it was a genuine question. I just can't believe there is all this hoopla about something that could bring a few temp jobs, but I guess that's American politics for you.
  • Cleveland Buck
    SportsAndLady;1708101 wrote:I wasn't trying to be a dick it was a genuine question. I just can't believe there is all this hoopla about something that could bring a few temp jobs, but I guess that's American politics for you.
    I'm sure some jobs would be permanent, I doubt they would all be temporary, just the ones involved with building the pipeline. To me it really doesn't matter. The issue is we are not debating whether they should throw you out of your house, but if they should do it to some farmers in North Dakota and Nebraska and what not. And you are right about American politics. If it is a hot button in the media, it is either a red herring or just pure nonsensical distraction from what the real problems are.
  • QuakerOats
    SportsAndLady;1708083 wrote:That can't be the only pro

    See post # 2775
  • BGFalcons82
    QuakerOats;1708069 wrote:http://keystone-xl.com/five-reasons-why-keystone-xl-benefits-the-u-s/

    http://keystone-xl.com/benefits-of-keystone-xl-oil-pipeline-us-jobs-economic-benefits-energy-security-environmental-responsibility-pipeline-safety-transcanada/

    http://buildkxlnow.org/


    And not only all that, but snubbing our trusted friend and ally to the north is yet another major embarrassment brought to you by the community activist.
    By constructing the pipeline, even more oil is put into the global marketplace. If we use old school supply & demand on this commodity, then as supply goes up, the price will go _____.
  • BGFalcons82
    QuakerOats;1708090 wrote:Just giving you some of the pros. Not to mention it is safer to transfer it by pipeline as opposed to rail (i.e. see WV train wreck last week), and the fact that we already have over 2 million miles of pipelines in the US which function well, so what is another several hundred miles? The fact is, it has been turned into a platform for the radical left-wing earth worshipers, of which this administration maintains a full-fledged membership.

    These same tree-hugging save-the-snail-darter hippies care less about saving the tens of thousands of birds murdered by their beloved windmills every year than the wildlife "threatened" by a pipe.
  • FatHobbit
    BGFalcons82;1708157 wrote:These same tree-hugging save-the-snail-darter hippies care less about saving the tens of thousands of birds murdered by their beloved windmills every year than the wildlife "threatened" by a pipe.
    There are also an estimated 600k-900k bats killed by windmills every year.
  • rydawg5
    FatHobbit;1708227 wrote:There are also an estimated 600k-900k bats killed by windmills every year.
    Serious question: What's the value of such a big bat population? Do bats do anything good for us?
  • Dr Winston O'Boogie
    This issue is ridiculous. There is no reason this pipeline shouldn't be built. It's not even worth talking about. As Quaker's map shows, there's pipelines everywhere. The market is going continue to require oil to be transported to the Gulf to be processed. The cheapest and safest way to do that is to do it via pipeline. Obama is making a mistake by making this a political issue.
  • rydawg5
    Dr Winston O'Boogie;1708234 wrote:This issue is ridiculous. There is no reason this pipeline shouldn't be built. It's not even worth talking about. As Quaker's map shows, there's pipelines everywhere. The market is going continue to require oil to be transported to the Gulf to be processed. The cheapest and safest way to do that is to do it via pipeline. Obama is making a mistake by making this a political issue.

    Reading through various articles, I seem to be "okay" with the Pipeline except for 1 issue. eminent domain. It likes like people have to forfeit their homes, property that they've had in their family in some circumstances to the 1800's involuntarily.

    What's your stance on this? Are 100% of Tax-paying homeowners actually "home-renters" because they never TRULY own what they are paying for?
  • wkfan
    rydawg5;1708232 wrote:Serious question: What's the value of such a big bat population? Do bats do anything good for us?
    They eat mosquitos.

    However, what they do for us is not important to the tree hugging hippies.
  • rydawg5
    Granted, I come from a place in my life where I used to say "Kerry is a douche vote for Boosh"

    But, what is the issue you have with making sure our water, food, air quality is at a high standard? In general, Shouldn't we make sure our profiting isn't causing cancer or death to humans before we give the green light on things? Is that what you are referring to as "Tree Hugging Hippies" or are there more trivial things that have happened in the past to cause you to mock them so heavily?
  • wkfan
    rydawg5;1708253 wrote:Granted, I come from a place in my life where I used to say "Kerry is a douche vote for Boosh"

    But, what is the issue you have with making sure our water, food, air quality is at a high standard? In general, Shouldn't we make sure our profiting isn't causing cancer or death to humans before we give the green light on things? Is that what you are referring to as "Tree Hugging Hippies" or are there more trivial things that have happened in the past to cause you to mock them so heavily?
    I am all for ensuring that our water, food and air quality is top-notch.

    However, the pendulum tends to swing way too far IMO. Please tell me what difference it would make to our air, food, water, ecosystem or life on this planet in general if the snail darters (whatever the hell a snail darter is) were extinct? While I'm sure that they are cute little things, I see no reason to stop development or progress just because we would disturb their natural habitat. IMO, in that instance, the betterment of the human condition trumps a snail darter.

    Conversely, I am in complete agreement with legislation that prevents dumping of waste products in our water supply or prevents pouring thousands upon thousands of tons of smokestack emissions into our clean air supply.

    My argument is that we use no common sense...
  • sleeper
    rydawg5;1708232 wrote:Serious question: What's the value of such a big bat population? Do bats do anything good for us?
    If there were no bats, there would be trillions more insects everywhere. You would notice a difference.

    Needed to add, you would notice a difference in the short term but in the long run it won't make a bit of a difference.
  • rydawg5
    Damn, "Snail Darter" is a fish involved in a 1975 Supreme Court Case involving the Tellico Dam. How old are you? :RpS_lol:
  • sleeper
    rydawg5;1708253 wrote:Granted, I come from a place in my life where I used to say "Kerry is a douche vote for Boosh"

    But, what is the issue you have with making sure our water, food, air quality is at a high standard? In general, Shouldn't we make sure our profiting isn't causing cancer or death to humans before we give the green light on things? Is that what you are referring to as "Tree Hugging Hippies" or are there more trivial things that have happened in the past to cause you to mock them so heavily?
    Please tell me what having another oil pipeline, likely built with the most advanced technology and highest safety features has anything to do with water, food, and air quality? Liberals are taking an extremely low risk project to the environment and blowing them up to be high risk high likelihood for political gain. It's embarrassing that people are so dumb.
  • rydawg5
    sleeper;1708267 wrote:Please tell me what having another oil pipeline, likely built with the most advanced technology and highest safety features has anything to do with water, food, and air quality? Liberals are taking an extremely low risk project to the environment and blowing them up to be high risk high likelihood for political gain. It's embarrassing that people are so dumb.
    I tried to word the question in a way that would avoid this type of reply.
  • sleeper
    rydawg5;1708268 wrote:I tried to word the question in a way that would avoid this type of reply.
    Your question is shit. You phrased it the way the typical liberal phrases it; establishing an opinion that everyone agrees with(clean air, quality food, etc.), pretend the other side doesn't want that(what is THE issue with not wanting that), while taking the moral high ground on an issue that is entirely irrelevant to the conversation. It's shit. The reality is, anything you do can and will have risks/cons/negatives/costs but it will also have benefits. You weigh the costs and benefits.

    Again, your question is absolute shit. Stop regurgitating talking points.
  • rydawg5
    sleeper;1708272 wrote:Your question is shit. You phrased it the way the typical liberal phrases it; establishing an opinion that everyone agrees with(clean air, quality food, etc.), pretend the other side doesn't want that(what is THE issue with not wanting that), while taking the moral high ground on an issue that is entirely irrelevant to the conversation. It's shit. The reality is, anything you do can and will have risks/cons/negatives/costs but it will also have benefits. You weigh the costs and benefits.

    Again, your question is absolute shit. Stop regurgitating talking points.
    My question was intended to understand his usage of "Tree Hugging Hippies".

    Sorry I didn't word my question to wkfan to your liking. I'm happy you have brought yourself into the equation of the question with hostility and accusations that I am a liberal.

    I do appreciate that.
  • sleeper
    rydawg5;1708283 wrote:My question was intended to understand his usage of "Tree Hugging Hippies".

    Sorry I didn't word my question to wkfan to your liking. I'm happy you have brought yourself into the equation of the question with hostility and accusations that I am a liberal.

    I do appreciate that.
    What don't you understand about tree hugging hippies? These people are morons.
  • rydawg5
    sleeper;1708285 wrote:What don't you understand about tree hugging hippies? These people are morons.
    Without knowing anything idiotic they they've done off the top of my head, I don't see what is so bad about having different values in society and using our government system to try to further those goals in a legal process.

    Being Louder/Meaner doesn't make your stance more or less right.
  • ptown_trojans_1
    QuakerOats;1708090 wrote:Just giving you some of the pros. Not to mention it is safer to transfer it by pipeline as opposed to rail (i.e. see WV train wreck last week), and the fact that we already have over 2 million miles of pipelines in the US which function well, so what is another several hundred miles? The fact is, it has been turned into a platform for the radical left-wing earth worshipers, of which this administration maintains a full-fledged membership.

    Holy cow, I actually agree with Quaker....
    The damn thing needs built. The oil is coming across one way or another and the rail systems are getting so shaky with safety, I would rather risk a new pipeline.
  • sleeper
    rydawg5;1708292 wrote:Without knowing anything idiotic they they've done off the top of my head, I don't see what is so bad about having different values in society and using our government system to try to further those goals in a legal process.

    Being Louder/Meaner doesn't make your stance more or less right.
    There's nothing bad about having different values in life. However, the net gain for society is what ultimately matters when making any decision. The tree hugging liberals are only focused SELFISHLY on the negatives while ignoring the high upside of such a project. Sorry that I don't have any sympathy for cry baby morons who have less education in their entire family tree than I do in my right index finger. Trash is trash; and these people are no exception.
  • rydawg5
    Short term "net gain" or Long term "net gain"? The 2 could be vastly different.
  • FatHobbit
    rydawg5;1708232 wrote:Serious question: What's the value of such a big bat population? Do bats do anything good for us?
    My point was more in line with the tree hugging hippy part of bgfalcons post. Certain people get upset when some random animal is killed, but they ignore the damage windmills do to wildlife because it's green energy.

    Not only are bats important in insect control they are also the principal pollinators of many plants. (They are more important than most people realize)

    http://www.blm.gov/id/st/en/environmental_education/BLM-Idaho_nature/wildlife/bats/the_benefits_of_bats.html
  • QuakerOats
    Dr Winston O'Boogie;1708234 wrote:This issue is ridiculous. There is no reason this pipeline shouldn't be built. It's not even worth talking about. As Quaker's map shows, there's pipelines everywhere. The market is going continue to require oil to be transported to the Gulf to be processed. The cheapest and safest way to do that is to do it via pipeline. Obama is making a mistake by making this a political issue.
    Bravo!