Disgusted with obama administration - Part II
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SportsAndLady
No way is Fox News the best. Some of the shit they spew makes my ears bleed, and I'm a republican.
To be honest none of the news outlets are worth a damn. I don't watch outlets, I watch individual shows. I like George stepalouponous (butchered that) Sunday mornings, I will watch Anderson cooper on cnn, I like Megan kelly on fox. Can't stand anything that is extreme one political way or the other even though I would probably group the kelly file into that but she's easy on the eyes and she makes me laugh when she says the kelly file. -
HitsRus
Well then, who is? Gone are the days of objective journalism, but at least Fox tries to make an appearance of objectivity while putting a heavy conservative spin. Most of the other "news" agencies are agenda driven to such a point that they don't even report stuff that doesn't fit the agenda. MSNBC has gotten sooooo bad that it can't be considered anything more than a propaganda outlet.No way is Fox News the best -
SportsAndLady
Did you miss the part where I said none of the outlets are worth a damn?HitsRus;1711588 wrote:Well then, who is? Gone are the days of objective journalism, but at least Fox tries to make an appearance of objectivity while putting a heavy conservative spin. Most of the other "news" agencies are agenda driven to such a point that they don't even report stuff that doesn't fit the agenda. MSNBC has gotten sooooo bad that it can't be considered anything more than a propaganda outlet. -
HitsRus
None of them are worth a damn because of their news finding ability?...sources?...or because of the way they present it? ...lack of objectivity?
If the latter, then why pick Anderson, George and Megan whose shows are basically op-eds? -
wkfan
Lack of objectivity.HitsRus;1711698 wrote:None of them are worth a damn because of their news finding ability?...sources?...or because of the way they present it? ...lack of objectivity?
If the latter, then why pick Anderson, George and Megan whose shows are basically op-eds?
News reporters should be about reporting the news...not making the news or putting their 'spin' on it.
Regardless of party or political leaning. -
gut
Newpapers used to have opinions sections, too. But now plenty of articles are written with the same spin. I'd be hard-pressed to think of a single news source that gives quality, unbiased and accurate reporting.wkfan;1711876 wrote:Lack of objectivity.
News reporters should be about reporting the news...not making the news or putting their 'spin' on it.
Regardless of party or political leaning. -
sleeper
I don't find any of them without a slight lean one way or the other. But CNN seems the best to me even if they are a liberal news organization.HitsRus;1711588 wrote:Well then, who is? Gone are the days of objective journalism, but at least Fox tries to make an appearance of objectivity while putting a heavy conservative spin. Most of the other "news" agencies are agenda driven to such a point that they don't even report stuff that doesn't fit the agenda. MSNBC has gotten sooooo bad that it can't be considered anything more than a propaganda outlet.
Honestly, Fox News isn't as bad as MSNBC but its close. You should watch the documentary "Outfoxed" which pretty much ruins any semblance of "Fair and Balanced" that they spew all the time. -
sleeper
WSJ?gut;1711887 wrote:Newpapers used to have opinions sections, too. But now plenty of articles are written with the same spin. I'd be hard-pressed to think of a single news source that gives quality, unbiased and accurate reporting. -
gut
Not since Murdoch took it over. Although the financial/business news is still generally top-notch.sleeper;1711926 wrote:WSJ? -
QuakerOatsobama economy at a glance:
Food Stamp Beneficiaries Exceed 46,000,000 for 40 Straight Months...
Change we can believe in ... -
HitsRus
but, but but....unemployment is so low!
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believer
Food Stamps, Medicaid, and welfare checks easily remove able-bodied freeloaders from the unemployment radar screens.HitsRus;1712138 wrote:but, but but....unemployment is so low!
Fundamentally transforming Merica. -
QuakerOatshttp://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/mar/12/government-no-1-problem-country-americans-say/
As most of us already knew: government is our biggest problem. -
jmog
People might try to say "but the population has grown too so it isn't as bad as just shear numbers say".QuakerOats;1712093 wrote:obama economy at a glance:
Food Stamp Beneficiaries Exceed 46,000,000 for 40 Straight Months...
Change we can believe in ...
In 1969 we had 2.9 million people on food stamps and 203 million people. That's 1.4% of the population.
In 2015 we have 46.5 million people on food stamps and 319 million people. That's 14.6% of the population.
That is a HUGE problem. -
Belly35
The Social Services Welfare system is broken. It started to be broken back in the 60 and progressively go worse.jmog;1712507 wrote:People might try to say "but the population has grown too so it isn't as bad as just shear numbers say".
In 1969 we had 2.9 million people on food stamps and 203 million people. That's 1.4% of the population.
In 2015 we have 46.5 million people on food stamps and 319 million people. That's 14.6% of the population.
That is a HUGE problem.
There is no incentive to not to be on Welfare the fact is it is directly the opposite by design now. In the 60s we had to pick up our cheese, milk, butter and bread at the County office, identify ourselves and then you receive the additional food stamps booklet. Today a credit card is mail out … wtf .. Ideal fraud situation
Food, rent, utilities and medical provided for those in need and (believe it or no I can agree to this) “for those in need” but not for those to make a career of it.
Those who are receiving Welfare and going to school, adult education, GED, 12 hours of college and maintain a 2,5 GPA will receive additional child day care support. If graduate, get a job child care will remain for additional two years.
Clean up the Welfare records and prosecute those that committing Welfare fraud, families receive additional support for those with clean police records, with families who kids keep good school attendance record and grades receive additional support, women who identify there kids father will receive child care support those who can’t identify the father receive nothing. Father who provided no child support for their children can not collect any welfare or social security benefits. Those fathers can not live in public housing and if caught all their property will be taken via the courts. Any drugs dealing, drug arrest by a welfare recipient all support will have to reviewed by the Welfare system and restriction applied.
Welfare was designed to be a support system, not a system to enslavery -
like_that
But unemployment is down to 5.5%!!!!jmog;1712507 wrote:People might try to say "but the population has grown too so it isn't as bad as just shear numbers say".
In 1969 we had 2.9 million people on food stamps and 203 million people. That's 1.4% of the population.
In 2015 we have 46.5 million people on food stamps and 319 million people. That's 14.6% of the population.
That is a HUGE problem. -
BoatShoes
It really is crazy how fast and how zealous the war mongering has stepped up. Listened to Bill Bennett on the way in to work today and he had Bob Corker on and they flat out were talking about how war with Iran is not worse than Iran having a nuke. Of course there is no evidence that Iran even wants a nuke beyond bluster! The Ayatollahs have flat out said that nukes are against Islam, etc. Iran has always behaved rationally.Wolves of Babylon;1710031 wrote:It won't stop until the war mongers get their Iran war
It's like none of these people even remember that we sent thousands of young Americans to die for nothing over the same type of fear mongering about nukes.
If Jews fear their existence in that patch of land surrounded by Muslims how's about they all just move to Beachwood, Ohio. They will be safe here and we no longer have to send young people to die for nothing. Instead of a right to return to a place that has caused problems for centuries we will have a right to migrate to Cleveland's east side. Cleveland can become the new Tel Aviv.
Problem solved. -
BoatShoes
The failure to distinguish between der Wille zur Macht and der Wille zur Kraft ​is the same mistake the Nazi's made.majorspark;1710372 wrote:As I said I agree but for one who does not believe the world is governed by the aggressive use of force I must say I am a little puzzled by this statement. Perhaps you can clarify. -
ptown_trojans_1
Be careful, yes Iran has not advanced past enriching beyond 20%, but there are still many unresolved issues with the IAEA regarding the military aspects of the program. Plus, Iran has been shady in the past. I agree they have not taken the step towards an active bomb, but they are still not to be trusted and need to answer to the IAEA.BoatShoes;1714140 wrote:It really is crazy how fast and how zealous the war mongering has stepped up. Listened to Bill Bennett on the way in to work today and he had Bob Corker on and they flat out were talking about how war with Iran is not worse than Iran having a nuke. Of course there is no evidence that Iran even wants a nuke beyond bluster! The Ayatollahs have flat out said that nukes are against Islam, etc. Iran has always behaved rationally.
It's like none of these people even remember that we sent thousands of young Americans to die for nothing over the same type of fear mongering about nukes.
If Jews fear their existence in that patch of land surrounded by Muslims how's about they all just move to Beachwood, Ohio. They will be safe here and we no longer have to send young people to die for nothing. Instead of a right to return to a place that has caused problems for centuries we will have a right to migrate to Cleveland's east side. Cleveland can become the new Tel Aviv.
Problem solved.
On Israel, the whole point of the modern Jewish state was to reclaim the Holy land for the Jewish people. It is irrational for them to leave at all. It would go against everything the modern Jewish state was founded on. They are not going anywhere. And, that is the reality that Arab states need to acknowledge in public. (Many already do in private) -
jmog
While the last thing I want is another war, the bolded part is hilariously inaccurate.BoatShoes;1714140 wrote:It really is crazy how fast and how zealous the war mongering has stepped up. Listened to Bill Bennett on the way in to work today and he had Bob Corker on and they flat out were talking about how war with Iran is not worse than Iran having a nuke. Of course there is no evidence that Iran even wants a nuke beyond bluster! The Ayatollahs have flat out said that nukes are against Islam, etc. Iran has always behaved rationally.
It's like none of these people even remember that we sent thousands of young Americans to die for nothing over the same type of fear mongering about nukes.
If Jews fear their existence in that patch of land surrounded by Muslims how's about they all just move to Beachwood, Ohio. They will be safe here and we no longer have to send young people to die for nothing. Instead of a right to return to a place that has caused problems for centuries we will have a right to migrate to Cleveland's east side. Cleveland can become the new Tel Aviv.
Problem solved. -
HitsRus
That's about as good(bad) an anti Semitic remark as I've heard on here in a long time. [ If they are not happy with their lot, they should just move back to Beachwood ] I guess blacks should all move back to Africa?If Jews fear their existence in that patch of land surrounded by Muslims how's about they all just move to Beachwood, Ohio. They will be safe here and we no longer have to send young people to die for nothing. Instead of a right to return to a place that has caused problems for centuries we will have a right to migrate to Cleveland's east side. Cleveland can become the new Tel Aviv. -
jmog
No, you see liberals can say insensitive things about Jews, but if a conservative would EVER say something along the same lines about an African American all hell would break loose and the race card would be played.HitsRus;1714192 wrote:That's about as good(bad) an anti Semitic remark as I've heard on here in a long time. [ If they are not happy with their lot, they should just move back to Beachwood ] I guess blacks should all move back to Africa? -
BoatShoes
Provide some examples of Iran acting like an irrational state. I will wait.jmog;1714189 wrote:While the last thing I want is another war, the bolded part is hilariously inaccurate. -
BoatShoes
Actually nothing about that remark was anti-semitic but I'm not surprised you would see it that way. However it was anti-religion in general. When the world wanted to end the Jewish diaspora it was an epic mistake by mankind to end it by having the world powers declare the place where it would end would be the one place on earth where Jews would permanently face threats to their very existence. Indeed, originally zionists planned for the safe Jewish state to be in Argentina. But no, the world stupidly chose to place the Jewish State right in the middle of Arabs.HitsRus;1714192 wrote:That's about as good(bad) an anti Semitic remark as I've heard on here in a long time. [ If they are not happy with their lot, they should just move back to Beachwood ] I guess blacks should all move back to Africa?
Nobody is threatening the very existence of blacks. But, it would have been epically stupid for the world to decide that Birmingham, Alabama was the one place where blacks could permanently call their homeland during Jim Crow.
If the west hadn't itself been fairly anti-semitic 60 years ago and deluded by the Abrahamic religions we could have ended the Jewish diaspora rationally and created a Jewish state in a place where they would not have been under constant existential threat as Theodor Herzl, the founder of the World Zionist Organization, originally advocated.
So in other words, as I said earlier, we in northern Ohio would be grateful to accommodate the Jewish people and would never threaten their existence.
Hopefully next time you will think a little more critically. -
BoatShoes
There was nothing insensitive about my remark. It was a suggestion that we should have placed the Jewish State in a place where Jews would not be surrounded by hostile threats as was originally advocated by Theodor Herzl and the very first zionists who sought to end the Jewish Diaspora.jmog;1714198 wrote:No, you see liberals can say insensitive things about Jews, but if a conservative would EVER say something along the same lines about an African American all hell would break loose and the race card would be played.
But thanks to people such as yourself who think a book of myths has bearing on reality, the world chose the land of milk and honey thereby leaving jew and gentile alike to have to suffer in future generations for no good reason.