Vice Presidential Debate

• BoatShoes

  believer;1293939 wrote:Hell it's downright scary.

  It is not scary Joe Biden is Vice President under any reasonable measure for deciphering what is and is not scary.
• BoatShoes

  HitsRus;1293908 wrote:
  How long do you think inflation will remain low with the government printing money at a record clip and no immediate plans by your boys to even slow it down?
  

  Didn't respond to this so I will now. Inflation has remained largely below the target rate for almost half a decade now and it will stay low for the foreseeable future. Your inflation fears are completely unsupported by the evidence.
• Ty Webb

  

  Obama leads in Arizona:
  http://politicalwire.com/archives/2012/10/13/latest_swing_state_polls.html
• HitsRus

  

  3. And, call me crazy, but it's not that rude in my opinion to interject when the advocate across from you is misleading the audience repeatedly. A lawyer shouldn't be allowed to freely mislead a jury and so we allow the opposing advocate to object. A politician in a debate shouldn't just get a free pass to mislead the public and so it's not rude to stop a lie from being told.

  Ha! Ryan was misleading???....Joe tripped over his ever lengthening nose several times...
  
  http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/10/12/Fact-Check-Top-Ten-Worst-Lies-by-Joe-Biden-in-VP-Debate
• elitesmithie05

  Didn't Obamas economy bill get 0 Democrat votes?
  

  BoatShoes;1293982 wrote:Lol. Get the hell outta here guy. Democrats are fully behind this president.
  
  And second of all, the claim that he had almost a supermajority for two years is nonsense...one of those lies that Mitt Romney repeats (although it's immoral for him to drink tea?). He had 60 votes including two conservative leaning independents from July 7 2009 when Al Franken got seated until August 25th when Ted Kennedy died. Seven weeks is not even close to two years. They had it again when Paul Kirk was appointed to replace Kennedy. But it's really silly to considerate a supermajority anyways when members of the caucus were just as conservative on budget and economic issues as a rank and file republican. That is, don't understand how the world works in a depressed economy. Ya, dig?
  
  And, what democrats don't want to work with him? Oh, you mean I suppose the Ben Nelson's and Joe Manchin's and Joe Lieberman's of the world...democratic senators from Red State's or conservative leaning Dems who are beholden to the same failed ideology on the economy as you that the IMF has essentially shat down the toilet now?
  
  Democrats were frustrated after his last debate performance because it was a super-fail but most democrats like the guy way more than I do, for example. You're just making it up when you say democrats don't want to work with the guy.
  
  Obama has earned a second term and a party who is beholden to an economic ideology that the IMF has repudiated and who has done everything in their power to ensure that the economy does not get better does not deserve the presidency.

• ts1227

  

  HitsRus;1294012 wrote:Ha! Ryan was misleading???....Joe tripped over his ever lengthening nose several times...
  
  http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/10/12/Fact-Check-Top-Ten-Worst-Lies-by-Joe-Biden-in-VP-Debate

  
  You may not want to quote a conservative blog to prove points.
• elitesmithie05

  Apparently Joe didn't vote to go to Afghanistan or Iraq either....
• 2kool4skool

  

  Scared Biden is a heartbeat away from the Presidency
  
  Voted for McCain/Palin in 08
  
  
• BoatShoes

  elitesmithie05;1294051 wrote:Didn't Obamas economy bill get 0 Democrat votes?

  This has already been explained. Sherrod Brown for example, would be fully behind that budget offered by President Obama. Is there any doubt about that? Josh Mandel is calling him the most liberal senator in America...do you really doubt he is ideologically behind Obama's budget? But, despite it being a sound decision to support the budget...the government is running anyway without him voting for it and it would have hurt him politically to have voted for a tax raise on the wealthy going into the election. It is a no brainer in political calculus. Right now he's winning slightly for the time being...he could definitely still lose...but I have a hunch he'd be in deeper shit if he'd voted for it.
• BoatShoes

  Ty Webb;1294001 wrote:Obama leads in Arizona:
  http://politicalwire.com/archives/2012/10/13/latest_swing_state_polls.html

  Obama probably doesn't lead in Arizona.
• gut

  BoatShoes;1293982 wrote:Lol. Get the hell outta here guy. Democrats are fully behind this president.

  Spin it however you want...He had more control/votes than any President in recent history, but he still had trouble getting his own party to follow. And if he could reach across the aisle to even a handful of Repubs a lot more would get done. You simply can't blame Congress for Obama's failures, especially the first two years.
  
  The reality is Harry Reid has been more obstructionist than anyone. Obama is just a complete failure of leadership - arrogance and ignorance is not a successful combination. The sooner people like you come to grips with this the sooner we as a country can start getting better leadership in the WH.
• gut

  2kool4skool;1294146 wrote:Scared Biden is a heartbeat away from the Presidency
  
  Voted for McCain/Palin in 08

  I think there are more than a few people that voted for Obama in 2008 because of Palin (and concerns about McCain's age/health). Maybe not an issue with Obama, but stands to reason Biden is going to send people running just like Palin did. You don't want that 3rd-grade ignoramus anywhere near important decisions.
• BoatShoes

  HitsRus;1294012 wrote:Ha! Ryan was misleading???....Joe tripped over his ever lengthening nose several times...
  
  http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/10/12/Fact-Check-Top-Ten-Worst-Lies-by-Joe-Biden-in-VP-Debate

  That list is a joke and it won't be worthwhile trying to refute them to a true believer. But I will refute the last one. The New York Times is reporting today that the security requests in Libya were primarily with regard to Tripoli and not Benghazi and nonetheless those decisions were made by mid-level state department officials.
  
  http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/13/world/africa/cables-show-requests-to-state-dept-for-security-in-libya-were-focused-on-tripoli.html?partner=rss&emc=rss&utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
  
  This should be end of the ridiculous hand-wringing by Republicans and Conservatives (for those who always vote for Republicans but claim you're not a Republican) over this issue and trying to turn it into 1979 Iran.
  
  Paul Ryan and Mitt Romney...who's agenda most of America does not want...are the ones who are not being up front with the American people. Their views have been flatly rejected by the premier body on economic issues in the world because of evidence. Republicans have been wrong about everything for four years and have used what power they had for the last two years to ensure that things did not get better. They do not deserve to hold the presidency and the President has earned a second term.
• BoatShoes

  gut;1294158 wrote:Spin it however you want...He had more control/votes than any President in recent history, but he still had trouble getting his own party to follow. And if he could reach across the aisle to even a handful of Repubs a lot more would get done. You simply can't blame Congress for Obama's failures, especially the first two years.
  
  The reality is Harry Reid has been more obstructionist than anyone. Obama is just a complete failure of leadership - arrogance and ignorance is not a successful combination. The sooner people like you come to grips with this the sooner we as a country can start getting better leadership in the WH.

  Let me give you an example. The IMF has basically said that attempting to run a balanced budget in a depressed economy is wrong and that the multiplier effect of spending cuts under this scenario is more harmful than most people thought. They have compiled an impressive amount of evidence to this effect. Yet, despite this...I'm very confident your views will not change.
  
  Despite my will and effort, you will not change.
  
  I'm am not the Green Lantern and neither is the President. People who have core beliefs about the world that are not marked to market cannot be persuaded by any amount of "leadership."
  
  And it really is amazing that you consider Harry Reid the obstructionist for having to deal with the filibuster.
  
  When it mattered and the President was actually able to govern...he was able to persuade vulnerable congressmen like John Boccieri to make tough votes that ended his career and committed liberals like Dennis Kucinich to vote for bills he basically thought were repugnant.
  
  Republican children who turned down the deal of a lifetime on the debt and rejected their own healthcare plan that they invented could not be persuaded.
• BoatShoes

  gut;1294164 wrote:I think there are more than a few people that voted for Obama in 2008 because of Palin (and concerns about McCain's age/health). Maybe not an issue with Obama, but stands to reason Biden is going to send people running just like Palin did. You don't want that 3rd-grade ignoramus anywhere near important decisions.

  His mannerisms may not be your favorite but the so called "brains" of the Republican party...who was supposed to wipe the floor with that "3rd-grade ignoramus"...was the one who said something as unbelievably ignorant as "they were spinning their centrifuges faster" (which is essentially what stuxnet did to fuck them up L.O. Fucking L)...confidently no less which is more troubling....and largely got taken to task by a guy who might've been half in the bag.
  
  I mean I'm a nobody but I can't imagine ever so confidently saying something about centrifuges like that when it is so completely wrong and I really didn't know what I was talking about. It's a small example but is mind boggling at how confidently these two cats on the pub ticket can just spew bullshit out of their mouths.
  
  What it comes down to is this was basically the intellectual leader of the Republicans...who the whole conservative movement fawns over...and he couldn't handle the biggest dolt in the Democratic party??? GMAFB. And you're worried about Joe Biden? I'd be worried about a party who's intellectual leader can't handle Joe Biden.
• gut

  LMAO, look how confidently and comfortably Biden lied about Benghazi. Ask yourself, if he can do that with such a blatant lie, how much else is he lying about that you aren't savvy enough to spot?
  
  The entire Obama/Biden campaign is one of serial deception and deflection because they have no ideas and no record to run on. People will only vote for Obama for some emotional reason, because it can't possibly be about anything he's done or will do or accomplished.
• gut

  BoatShoes;1294182 wrote:Let me give you an example. The IMF has basically said that attempting to run a balanced budget in a depressed economy is wrong and that the multiplier effect of spending cuts under this scenario is more harmful than most people thought. They have compiled an impressive amount of evidence to this effect. Yet, despite this...I'm very confident your views will not change.

  Good lord, for like the millionth time NO ONE is calling for a balanced budget tomorrow. 25% of GDP (that Obama is targeting as "sustainable") is completely idiotic. That's deficits of $1T+ for as far as the eye can see.
  
  Get it thru your head and let go of the strawman: all the economic pain is a direct result of unsustainable deficit spending - the extreme austerity is imposed by investors, a scenario that must be avoided by taming the deficit.
  
  I'm not hard-headed on the issue. Quite the opposite, I used to support Keynesian economics but evidence the past 10 years in the US and globally shows it isn't working. Unlike you, I evaluate new evidence and change my opinion.
  
  Your solution is just spending more with no end in sight. That's clearly unsustainable. And when it's not working, you just double-down and say they didn't spend enough. You need to remove your nose from Krugman's arse and wake-up to the stench of failed keynsian policies globally. Uncontrolled spending is what has gotten these countries into trouble - you can't spend your way to prosperity. It doesn't work, and it's blatantly obvious.
• HitsRus

  

  But I will refute the last one. The New York Times is reporting today that the security requests in Libya were primarily with regard to Tripoli and not Benghazi and nonetheless those decisions were made by mid-level state department officials.

  Congratulations...you posted the spin coming out of the White House! Not that any of that is going to make a differnece to a true kool-aid drinker.
• gut

  HitsRus;1294437 wrote:Congratulations...you posted the spin coming out of the White House! Not that any of that is going to make a differnece to a true kool-aid drinker.

  Boat really goes to extraordinary lengths to convince himself this administration is competent at anything other than failure.
• Ty Webb

  

  President Obama leads in Ohio 51-46
  
  http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/2011/PPP_Release_OH_1013.pdf
• superman

  Romney up 60-40 in Ohio.
  
  www.peopleitalkedtointhegasstationtoday.com
• Manhattan Buckeye

  "There's nobody living in tent cities called "Obamavilles"
  
  You need to get out more. There are tent cities in Virginia, one of the wealthiest states in the U.S. The Richmond media has covered this often. Whether they call it an Obamaville is beyond me, but the idea that the state of the U.S. economy is healthy is pure idiocy.
• believer

  

  Manhattan Buckeye;1294920 wrote:..., but the idea that the state of the U.S. economy is healthy is pure idiocy.

  Without a doubt.
  
  I've lived through 2 plant closings in the last year and had to transfer from Pennsylvania to Tennessee to stay employed. I have people calling me constantly looking for work. No can do because the official unemployment rate here in TN is 8.1% and we're simply transferring current employees who are willing to rip up roots from the closed plants. Definitely not hiring from the outside.
  
  Plus my hometown in Ohio has an astounding 12.6% REPORTED unemployment rate. The real rate has to be close to 20%. And the unbelievable thing is Obama is expected to win the city vote. Highly Democrat and highly unionized. Friggin defies logic.
  
  
  There was a time in recent history when an incumbent POTUS with an unemployment rate of higher than 5% was almost assured of defeat. Now the Obama-loving media wants us to feel giddy that unemployment has allegedly dropped from 7.8% nationally to 7.1%.
  
  Anyone who thinks we're in a recovery is sucking down way too much kool aid.
• gut

  What's really scary is we are on the cusp of another global recession already and the Central Banks have no bullets left and govts have no money.
  
  It's frightening when you consider that what globalization might be doing is actually exporting poverty. You want to talk about redistribution, well there are a hell of a lot of extremely poor people/countries and not nearly enough pie to go around no matter what you do to the rich and corporations.
• believer

  

  When real wealth dwindles and there's nothing left to redistribute, you simply crank up the printing presses and pump a trillion or two phony dollars out of thin air into the economy.
  
  Problem solved right Boatshoes?