Senate Bill 5 Targets Collective Bargaining for Elimination!

• Con_Alma

  wkfan;688369 wrote:...and yet, the Franklin County auditor appraised the tax basis of my home as having gone up approximately 9% last summer.
  
  Hmmmmm

  
  Yes, individual accounts do not reflect the whole often times. Our discussion as it relates to this topic seems to have been at a more macro level.
• O-Trap

  

  Con_Alma;688370 wrote:I accept that when we "agree" to abide by taxation through representation combined with taxes levied through majority vote that we as a society are in agreement enough for action to occur based on it. That's all.

  
  Ah, yes. In that sense, you're right.
• Con_Alma

  Gblock;688349 wrote:school district money is based on property taxes.....not income tax in ohio...not sure if police and fire are in that

  
  Not entirely.
  
  State funds are provided to school systems based on the number of pupils enrolled. State funds are derived from a variety of sources including income tax.
• Gblock

  jmog;688361 wrote:Did I embellish some? Maybe since I said "everyone", but I can honestly say that everyone I know in a non-union public sector job either had pay freezes for the last couple years or pay cuts, OR BOTH (if they are lucky enough to have not been on the lay off list).
  
  The private sector, for the most part, has had zero increases in the last 2 years, and most have gone through pay cuts.

  my brother is a lawyer in columbus and he has gotten a raise every year the last 3 years including an increase in his yearly bonus....my other roomate got laid off as an accountant for rea and assoc.. and got a new job making 15000 more than he was at his previous job. what does this have to do with anything? nothing..just like all the posts about people and the people they know taking pay cuts. certain fields are taking pay cuts, certain fields arent. to say most or all for anything is innaccurate. have lots of people lost their job sure, have others seen growth sure.
• teh awsum juan

  wkfan;688369 wrote:...and yet, the Franklin County auditor appraised the tax basis of my home as having gone up approximately 9% last summer.
  
  Hmmmmm

  
  perhaps you should move to cleveland - you can probably buy off a board of revisions member and get your appraisal lowered significantly
• Gblock

  Con_Alma;688377 wrote:Not entirely.
  
  State funds are provided to school systems based on the number of pupils enrolled. State funds are derived from a variety of sources including income tax.

  
  some schools dont recieve any state money actually
• wkfan

  teh awsum juan;688385 wrote:perhaps you should move to cleveland - you can probably buy off a board of revisions member and get your appraisal lowered significantly

  
  No thanks.....
• Con_Alma

  Gblock;688386 wrote:some schools dont recieve any state money actually

  
  That's very interesting. Can you give me an example?
  
  Even private and parochial schools receive State funds for performing certain health and safety activities like monthly fire drills.
  
  The number of schools that receive no State funds has to be extremely small.
• O-Trap

  

  Gblock;688382 wrote:my brother is a lawyer in columbus and he has gotten a raise every year the last 3 years including an increase in his yearly bonus....my other roomate got laid off as an accountant for rea and assoc.. and got a new job making 15000 more than he was at his previous job. what does this have to do with anything? nothing..just like all the posts about people and the people they know taking pay cuts. certain fields are taking pay cuts, certain fields arent. to say most or all for anything is innaccurate. have lots of people lost their job sure, have others seen growth sure.

  
  The difference is that the market is able to decide what industries are going to take cuts and what industries aren't. If you're profitable, you won't need to take cuts. If you're not, you will.
• wkfan

  jmog;688361 wrote:Did I embellish some? Maybe since I said "everyone", but I can honestly say that everyone I know in a non-union public sector job either had pay freezes for the last couple years or pay cuts, OR BOTH (if they are lucky enough to have not been on the lay off list).
  
  The private sector, for the most part, has had zero increases in the last 2 years, and most have gone through pay cuts.

  ...and yet, no one on here is up in arms about the GM autoworkers all getting a $4,000 bonus and GM (Governmental Motors?) getting a sweetheart tax deal on the heels of a buyout funded completely by taxpayer dollars.
  
  I guess autos are more important than police, firefighters, teachers and the like.
  
  Maybe we can fund education and hold a bake sale for GM.....
• Con_Alma

  wkfan;688393 wrote:...and yet, no one on here is up in arms about the GM autoworkers all getting a $4,000 bonus and GM (Governmental Motors?) getting a sweetheart tax deal on the heels of a buyout funded completely by taxpayer dollars.
  
  ....

  I disagree.
• O-Trap

  

  wkfan;688393 wrote:...and yet, no one on here is up in arms about the GM autoworkers all getting a $4,000 bonus and GM (Governmental Motors?) getting a sweetheart tax deal on the heels of a buyout funded completely by taxpayer dollars.
  
  I guess autos are more important than police, firefighters, teachers and the like.
  
  Maybe we can fund education and hold a bake sale for GM.....

  Umm ... were you not here when that was all going down? There were a LOT of people up in arms about it. I still remember the first thread that discussed bonuses being paid out of bailout money, and it got more heated than this discussion has been.
• wkfan

  Con_Alma;688396 wrote:I disagree. The threads containing people opposed to said bailout on this board were numerous as I recall.

  really...the sweetheart tax deal and $4,000 bonus for all GN workers happened in the last week.
• O-Trap

  

  wkfan;688399 wrote:really...the sweetheart tax deal and $4,000 bonus for all GN workers happened in the last week.

  
  I hadn't hear about it, but it's no less horse excrement.
  
  In all seriousness, do start a thread about it, and watch what happens.
• Con_Alma

  wkfan;688399 wrote:really...the sweetheart tax deal and $4,000 bonus for all GN workers happened in the last week.

  
  I have no doubt that the intensely heated opposition contained by the folks who were opposed to the bailout would not have a more favorable view of this action.
• wkfan

  O-Trap;688400 wrote:I hadn't hear about it, but it's no less horse excrement.
  
  In all seriousness, do start a thread about it, and watch what happens.

  Sweetheart tax deal:
  
  http://money.cnn.com/2011/02/23/news/companies/gm_bailout/index.htm
  
  The US government is giving up $14 BILLION dollars in tax revenue......
  
  The announcement of the $4,000 bonus for all GM workerswas last week.
• wkfan

  Con_Alma;688408 wrote:I have no doubt that the intensely heated opposition contained by the folks who were opposed to the bailout would not have a more favorable view of this action.

  yet it warrrants no discussion here or much in the national media.
• O-Trap

  

  wkfan;688407 wrote:Sweetheart tax deal:
  
  http://money.cnn.com/2011/02/23/news/companies/gm_bailout/index.htm
  
  The US government is giving up $14 BILLION dollars in tax revenue......
  
  The announcement of the $4,000 bonus for all GM workerswas last week.

  I'll reserve my comments on that for a seperate topic, as this one is dedicated to the issues surrounding Senate Bill 5.
• Con_Alma

  wkfan;688410 wrote:yet it warrrants no discussion here or much in the national media.

  
  It warrants much discussion. What it is garnering however seems to be lacking.
• O-Trap

  

  wkfan;688410 wrote:yet it warrrants no discussion here or much in the national media.

  To be fair, I don't think it's completely an apples-to-apples comparison. Really for two reasons.
  
  (1) As far as I know, it's a 1-and-done arrangement, that won't be an additional annual burden on tax payers. The funding of public sector jobs is an annual burden on tax payers (by "burden" I don't necessarily mean a bad thing, mind you).
  
  (2) The bailout doesn't have as much bad-blood history with many tax payers as this topic does, so I can see more people being passionate about this.
  
  
  Now, it's no less idiotic that GM employees should somehow be allowed to rely on tax payers for some extra cash so they don't have to feel the bad economy. Ugh, it pisses me off ...
  
  Unless I'm buying a product from a private, commercial, for-profit enterprise ... they should be getting ZERO dollars of my money!
  
  But I digress, this is not the place for such a discussion. As you were.
• Gblock

  Con_Alma;688389 wrote:That's very interesting. Can you give me an example?
  
  Even private and parochial schools receive State funds for performing certain health and safety activities like monthly fire drills.
  
  The number of schools that receive no State funds has to be extremely small.

  
  some schools choose not to take the state money because it comes with stipulations....i will try to find info..its usually very affluent areas/districts in the state....ottawa hills comes to mind and districts like that. im not saying for sure on that one. but it is public information.
  
  i had a class last year called public school finance and we had to examine how to calculate levies and mills and such and look at how schools get funded. it was very interesting. especially since school funding in ohio was declared unconstitutional six years ago yet they have done nothing about it. it was also interesting that although it is purported that lottery money goes to schools, that is not exactly true.
• teh awsum juan

  Gblock;688422 wrote: especially since school funding in ohio was declared unconstitutional six years ago yet they have done nothing about it.

  
  the DeRolph case was decided in 1997, so public education funding in ohio has been unconstitutional for more like 14 years
• wkfan

  O-Trap;688418 wrote:(1) As far as I know, it's a 1-and-done arrangement, that won't be an additional annual burden on tax payers. The funding of public sector jobs is an annual burden on tax payers (by "burden" I don't necessarily mean a bad thing, mind you).

  Really?? The U.S. Treasury giving up $14,000,000,000.00 in tax revenue 'won't be an additional burden on tax payers'?
  
  Really???
• jmog

  wkfan;688393 wrote:...and yet, no one on here is up in arms about the GM autoworkers all getting a $4,000 bonus and GM (Governmental Motors?) getting a sweetheart tax deal on the heels of a buyout funded completely by taxpayer dollars.
  
  I guess autos are more important than police, firefighters, teachers and the like.
  
  Maybe we can fund education and hold a bake sale for GM.....

  
  Actually the same people (mainly conservatives) who are "up in arms" in support of things like SB5, most certainly don't like the GM thing either, so you are incorrect. However the GM thing is not the topic of this thread so no one is really "up in arms" about it on this thread.
• O-Trap

  

  wkfan;688431 wrote:Really?? The U.S. Treasury giving up $14,000,000,000.00 in tax revenue 'won't be an additional burden on tax payers'?
  
  Really???

  
  Read my words closely. Additional? Yes. ANNUAL? Not to my knowledge.