Disgusted With Obama Administration.

• Footwedge

  CenterBHSFan;444585 wrote:1. I never said or implied that I want to vote out a democrat in order to put a republican in.
  
  2. I don't know if a republican can do better/worse with the current times.
  
  3. What I mean and have said for awhile now is this:
  
  - The democrats can do better. Those voters who are democrats could and should expect and demand better than what we've got currently.
  - Is this the best our democrat party political choices can do?
  - Really?
  - If somebody has common sense and backbone and can do the right thing (not necessarily for any party affiliation) I don't give a damn if that person is democrat, republican, libertarian, constitutionalist, or somebody that worships radishes.
  - I have never pledged allegiance to the democrat party, even though it might sound contradictory to say that I'm a habitual democrat. That's what I call myself, but that doesn't mean I won't vote across party lines. Because I have, do and will in a heartbeat.
  - Being critical of the democrat party doesn't make me an automatic republican. Period.

  I never said you were a Republican. I simply asked what a Republican would do to increase jobs? For that matter....what is it that the Dems did that you feel is wrong in supposedly hindering job growth?
• Footwedge

  believer;444495 wrote:
  How exactly have the Dems increased jobs in SE Ohio?

  Nothing. I just don't think voting this Wilson guy out will change anything. I have a much more morbid view of the American economic future than others....both nationally and locally. For the record...for what it's worth...I don't blame Bush for the economic meltdown that started in in 08. IMO, Obama would have done the same thing as Bush...as would have Kerry. I think it's a systemic problem....that cannot be corrected. I think America will take huge steps backwards on the global front. There will be more and more people on the dole...inspite of massive government spending with "shovel ready" jobs.
• BGFalcons82

  

  Footwedge;444848 wrote:There will be more and more people on the dole...inspite of massive government spending with "shovel ready" jobs.

  
  Ironic comment about "shovel ready" jobs....Milton Friedman said if the idea to create such jobs was to increase employment, then instead of giving them shovels why not give them spoons?
• believer

  

  Footwedge;444848 wrote:Nothing. I just don't think voting this Wilson guy out will change anything. I have a much more morbid view of the American economic future than others....both nationally and locally. For the record...for what it's worth...I don't blame Bush for the economic meltdown that started in in 08. IMO, Obama would have done the same thing as Bush...as would have Kerry. I think it's a systemic problem....that cannot be corrected. I think America will take huge steps backwards on the global front. There will be more and more people on the dole...inspite of massive government spending with "shovel ready" jobs.

  Believe it or not I agree with you. This country is rapidly going bankrupt and the American Dream is about to become just another page in history as millions more Americans begin to understand what it means to be citizens of a mid-tier country. There's plenty of blame to go around including the American people themselves.
• Footwedge

  BGFalcons82;444851 wrote:Ironic comment about "shovel ready" jobs....Milton Friedman said if the idea to create such jobs was to increase employment, then instead of giving them shovels why not give them spoons?

  I understand exactly what you're saying. but I do think that there is some merit in rebuilding infrastructure. Deterioration decreases our national wealth. I would go on to say that Americans that are now on unemployment funded by the fed, should somehow be involved with this. How this would be done logistically, I really don't know.
  
  I know that in the Netherlands, which is as socialist as it gets, one cannot collect unemployment checks unless they at least attend classes.
  
  I think the spending of 1 trillion dollars to date on 2 wars that are pretty much self perpetuating, is a much bigger waste of tax payer money. There is no real wealth created during wartime...but on the contrary, the destruction of wealth. And we haven't even discussed the unfunded liabilities in paying for the 45000 or so vets that can no longer work in our society. Nor the 200,000 or so that will have their education funded by the tapayer through contractual agreements.
• BGFalcons82

  

  Footwedge;444872 wrote:
  I know that in the Netherlands, which is as socialist as it gets, one cannot collect unemployment checks unless they at least attend classes.

  I like that idea. Here's another one I like: Since the overwhelming majority of working Americans are subject to drug testing, so should people that are relying on working people to give them money while they are unemployed. This would be necessary for the unemployed, those on ADC, those on welfare...anyone getting money from those that earn it and are subject to drug testing. We could call this trickle-down drug testing.
• CenterBHSFan

  

  Footwedge;444836 wrote:I never said you were a Republican. I simply asked what a Republican would do to increase jobs? For that matter....what is it that the Dems did that you feel is wrong in supposedly hindering job growth?

  How did we end up citing only job growth as a problem? My mentioning that now that it's August Charlie Wilson keeps sending me emails telling me how he's meeting with various unions and other groups?
  Charlie Wilson is trying to salvage his persona here in the Ohio Valley, plain and simple. It's the usual thing, all politicians do it. I cited the reasons why I'm disappointed in him and why I'm sorry I voted for him. By the way, I've been sorry for voting for republicans too, if that makes you feel any better lol.
• gut

  BGFalcons82;444898 wrote:I like that idea. Here's another one I like: Since the overwhelming majority of working Americans are subject to drug testing, so should people that are relying on working people to give them money while they are unemployed. This would be necessary for the unemployed, those on ADC, those on welfare...anyone getting money from those that earn it and are subject to drug testing. We could call this trickle-down drug testing.

  
  HELL NO!!!!! Besides the overwhelming cost of testing (and then re-testing, because I'm sure most of the positives will be a "mistake")...would only be a matter of time before some bleeding heart liberal decides the taxpayer needs to fund a treatment program so these addicts can get help. Somehow addicts would turn this into a disability claim and they'd probably end-up collecting even more.
• CenterBHSFan

  

  gut,
  
  There's some truth in your statement. About 20 years ago I remember a guy in town who didn't work, but collected "GR". He then later got SSI or disability for being an alcoholic.
  I don't think people can still get programs like that (GR) or for that reason (alcoholism). But the point is, is that it does/DID happen not all that long ago.
• believer

  

  http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSN0910217920100809
  
  Obama blames Bush in Bush's backyard. Are you friggin serious? Does BHO honestly think that his wreckless spending is less damaging than Bush's economic policies? Does he really think the American people will buy-off on this bullshit? Seriously??
  

  "The policies that crashed the economy, that undercut the middle class, that mortgaged our future, do we really want to go back to that, or do we keep moving our country forward?" Obama said at another fund-raising event in Austin, referring to Bush's eight years as president.

• gibby08

  

  believer;447078 wrote:http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSN0910217920100809
  
  Obama blames Bush in Bush's backyard. Are you friggin serious? Does BHO honestly think that his wreckless spending is less damaging than Bush's economic policies? Does he really think the American people will buy-off on this bullshit? Seriously??

  
  Your ignorance here is astounding
• Belly35

  

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• IggyPride00

  

  During an interview with The Hill in his West Wing office, White House press secretary Robert Gibbs blasted liberal naysayers, whom he said would never regard anything the president did as good enough.
  
  “I hear these people saying he’s like George Bush. Those people ought to be drug tested,” Gibbs said. “I mean, it’s crazy.”
  
  The press secretary dismissed the &#8220rofessional left” in terms very similar to those used by their opponents on the ideological right, saying, “They will be satisfied when we have Canadian healthcare and we’ve eliminated the Pentagon. That’s not reality.”
  
  Of those who complain that Obama caved to centrists on issues such as healthcare reform, Gibbs said: “They wouldn’t be satisfied if Dennis Kucinich was president.”

  http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/113431-white-house-unloads-on-professional-left
  
  
  You can add liberals to those who are now disgusted with the Administration.
  
  Robert Gibbs put liberals on blast in a recent interview he did with The Hill.
  
  I will give them props, because I have never seen an administration call out their base like that. It would have been like the Bush White House lighting up Conservatives, and that would have never happened no matter how disgusted with them they may have gotten.
  
  Obama is definitely getting frustrated though as conservatives think he's a socialist, liberals think he's Bush incarnate, and independents just don't like him.
  
  I didn't think it was possible to alienate everyone simultaneously as there are always some winners and losers, but you get the feeling that the White House feels like everyone thinks they are losing no matter what it does.
  
  The liberal blogs are absolutely on fire right now as they are seething.
• lhslep134

  

  What's funny is that the liberals made a fundamental mistake in voting for Obama over Hilary.
  
  As much as I hate her, she's better than Obama.
• Writerbuckeye

  

  IggyPride00;447270 wrote:http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/113431-white-house-unloads-on-professional-left
  
  
  You can add liberals to those who are now disgusted with the Administration.
  
  Robert Gibbs put liberals on blast in a recent interview he did with The Hill.
  
  I will give them props, because I have never seen an administration call out their base like that. It would have been like the Bush White House lighting up Conservatives, and that would have never happened no matter how disgusted with them they may have gotten.
  
  Obama is definitely getting frustrated though as conservatives think he's a socialist, liberals think he's Bush incarnate, and independents just don't like him.
  
  I didn't think it was possible to alienate everyone simultaneously as there are always some winners and losers, but you get the feeling that the White House feels like everyone thinks they are losing no matter what it does.
  
  The liberal blogs are absolutely on fire right now as they are seething.

  
  Good to see it's not only Republicans who get called out on here when one of their own goes contrary to the "accepted" talking points.
  
  Personally, I hope this type of stuff has the Democrats so split, they all decide to stay home during elections this November and in 2012.
• QuakerOats

  gibby08;447134 wrote:Your ignorance here is astounding

  
  Funny ....................... is Gibby short for Robert Gibbs?
• fish82

  

  gibby08;447134 wrote:Your ignorance here is astounding

  On the flip side, you're obviously easily astounded.
• I Wear Pants

  Belly35;447226 wrote:….. Undocumented Public Servant …...

  Even you can't believe this. You don't think that Mccain or Hilary would have brought that up in their campaigns against him if it had even a remote chance of being true? Mccain had enough class not to spout ridiculous conspiracy theories like that, why can't everyone else?
  
  He won the nomination and the election fair and square. He is a citizen. Disagree with the policies if you want but conspiracy theory bullshit cheapens everything. You're just as bad as the people who say that 9/11 was orchestrated by Bush when you say things like this.
  
  I wish Obama and the FCC would step up and mandate Net Neutrality already.
• Writerbuckeye

  

  I hope you're kidding about net "neutrality". That would be, by far, the most fascist act we've seen in a long time in this country. No matter what system the FCC tried to come up with, it would still come down to some ONE making the decision on what constitutes proper and/or equal speech. That's the last thing I want some bureaucrat doing.
• QuakerOats

  Another $26 billion union vote buying spending spree ---------------- incredible!!
  
  http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-08-10/u-s-house-approves-26-billion-in-aid-for-states-sends-measure-to-obama.html
  
  Change we can believe in ...........
• I Wear Pants

  Writerbuckeye;447680 wrote:I hope you're kidding about net "neutrality". That would be, by far, the most fascist act we've seen in a long time in this country. No matter what system the FCC tried to come up with, it would still come down to some ONE making the decision on what constitutes proper and/or equal speech. That's the last thing I want some bureaucrat doing.

  Net Neutrality protects the open internet. Of course you're siding with the telecoms on that.
  
  Net Neutrality simply says that no one can discriminate against packets. Everything gets treated equally.
• believer

  

  QuakerOats;447700 wrote:Another $26 billion union vote buying spending spree ---------------- incredible!!
  
  http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-08-10/u-s-house-approves-26-billion-in-aid-for-states-sends-measure-to-obama.html
  
  Change we can believe in ...........

  Gotta keep one of the nation's most powerful, if not THE most powerful, union happy. It's not incredible...it's politics as usual. November can't get here soon enough.
• IggyPride00

  

  If the Verizon/Google deal they announced is any indication of whats to come, using the internet is going to get a whole lot more expensive, and downloading/youtube/certain gaming applications are going to be a thing of the past.
  
  They are going to take it a little easier on people who actuallly plug a cable into the back of their computer, but those using wireless are going to take it up the ass pretty good as those rates are sure to soar and quality of service will decrease.
  
  I don't know how in the world anyone can think Net Neutrality is a bad thing. It has nothing to do with the government controlling things.
  
  What it does though is protect us from our ISP's deciding for us that we don't need to use bit torrents, or youtube, or online gaming because it uses too much bandwith in their eyes.
  
  If you support net neutrality, you support the perpetuation of the status quo with nothing changing.
  
  If you don't, you support your ISP making decisions for you on the content you'll see and be able to use, as well as tiered pricing like cable TV has where you will have to pay a la carte for each and every different service you want instead of how it is today where everything is available to everyone who uses the net for one flat monthly fee depending on the speed you choose to pay for.
• I Wear Pants

  ^^^^^^ This
  
  I'm more read up on Net Neutrality than any other topic on this board (topic, not poster) and I too don't see how someone can think it's a bad thing unless they don't understand what it actually is.
  
  Read some of Tim Wu's published papers on the subject and you should understand a little bit better. Here's a link to one of them: http://ssrn.com/abstract=388863
• CenterBHSFan

  

  I Wear Pants;447643 wrote:Even you can't believe this. You don't think that Mccain or Hilary would have brought that up in their campaigns against him if it had even a remote chance of being true?

  
  umm... Billary did! lol