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  • ptown_trojans_1
    QuakerOats;544746 wrote:HE doesn't get it; and neither do you.

    Ok, and your solution is? Not as much security, less experts and personal to discuss the issues?
  • QuakerOats
    570 AM wkbn radio in Youngstown railing against this massive waste of taxpayer money. They get it.
  • ptown_trojans_1
    QuakerOats;544772 wrote:570 AM wkbn radio in Youngstown railing against this massive waste of taxpayer money. They get it.

    Ok, so explain to me how this is a waste of taxpayer money, please enlighten me oh Quaker. Should he not go? Should he cut his staff in half, should he cut security? Please, please Quaker enlighten me on the ways and show me the light! haha.
  • BGFalcons82
    Not to respond for QO, but really...3000 people?? I understand the warships necessary for security. I understand removing coconuts because some coo-coo nut will disguise a bomb that looks like one. I understand the security stuff.

    In today's economy and upwards of 17% unemployed/stopped looking, how in the hell does this even come close to justification to spend $200,000,000 per day? The Left rails vehemontly on corporate CEO's that make this much in a year...but when their messiah spends it in a day...it's somehow magically OK. If talking with India is so important...and it may be...then why not meet somewhere safer? Why not pick an island somewhere? Why not try to at least appear frugal when we are struggling as a nation?
  • I Wear Pants
    Because perhaps the people we're meeting don't want to meet on some island. Perhaps India would like to have a discussion about our relationship on their soil.

    I'll wait for the standard "well the rest of the world can shove off response" now.
  • BGFalcons82
    I Wear Pants;544798 wrote:Because perhaps the people we're meeting don't want to meet on some island. Perhaps India would like to have a discussion about our relationship on their soil.

    I'll wait for the standard "well the rest of the world can shove off response" now.

    That's right. I forgot. Obama has to BOW to these guys, too. $2,000,000,000 for a freaking photo op to show the world how much he "cares" for them. It makes perfect sense to do it on their soil....symbolism and all that. Wonder what he'll apologize for now....Americans eating cows?

    BTW....Pakistan is real close to India and our Commander in Chief has been flying thousands of drone sorties into their country. I wonder if they've shot one down, repaired it, and have learned how to operate it? If they have, there likely isn't enough security to stop them.
  • I Wear Pants
    Making a big deal out of the bow thing, especially this far away from it, makes you a joke.

    We don't have to be beholden to other countries to realize that isolating ourselves and saying "fuck off" as some apparently want to isn't a very good idea.
  • ptown_trojans_1
    BGFalcons82;544799 wrote:That's right. I forgot. Obama has to BOW to these guys, too. $2,000,000,000 for a freaking photo op to show the world how much he "cares" for them. It makes perfect sense to do it on their soil....symbolism and all that. Wonder what he'll apologize for now....Americans eating cows?

    BTW....Pakistan is real close to India and our Commander in Chief has been flying thousands of drone sorties into their country. I wonder if they've shot one down, repaired it, and have learned how to operate it? If they have, there likely isn't enough security to stop them.

    I don't think you get the geopoltical importance or India's role in the 21st century economy. It's ok though.
    Oh, and the drone strikes are in Western Pakistan, no where near the Indian border, nice try though.
  • BGFalcons82
    ptown_trojans_1;544823 wrote:I don't think you get the geopoltical importance or India's role in the 21st century economy. It's ok though.
    Oh, and the drone strikes are in Western Pakistan, no where near the Indian border, nice try though.

    I do get their importance. I was being flippant in order to demonstrate our leader's wonton desire to apologize for America's greatness all over the globe. I'm really OK with meeting with India...but NOT at this cost. They just don't get it....

    So...the drones can't fly to India? Is there a limit the Pakistan/Indian border? They couldn't possibly be smuggled into India, could they? Or is their border so tight that no aliens may enter? These drones have literally killed hundreds of terrorists. While I'm OK with killing the bad guys, there are others to pick up where they left off.
  • QuakerOats
    Can someone, anyone possibly explain the need for over 3,000 people, over 30 aircraft, and over 30 ships? It is indefensible.

    And, if the argument is that it is unsafe to travel there, then:

    A) - Don't go; do it by teleconference (just like the private sector would do)

    B) - Invite them here and offer to pick up the tab (probably less than 10 million dollars; and save $2 billion)

    C) - At a minimum, cut the personnel going by 2/3rds; after all, why drag so many into harms way, as it were.

    But for God's sake, STOP THE INSANITY!
  • majorspark
    QuakerOats;544904 wrote:Can someone, anyone possibly explain the need for over 3,000 people, over 30 aircraft, and over 30 ships? It is indefensible.
    Looks like we are planning on invading India?
  • CenterBHSFan
    yeah, lol, why don't we just skype them? :)
  • Ty Webb
    ptown....thank god we have someone like you here
  • CenterBHSFan
    oh gawd.
  • believer
    Ty Webb;545055 wrote:ptown....thank god we have someone like you here
    Bullshit Gibmeister. If "W" had announced he was taking 3,000 people at $200,000,000 per day to India you would have been the FIRST OC ultra-leftist to get his panties in a wad over it. But since it's your boy BHO, he can do no wrong in your Kool Aid drinking eyes.
  • Writerbuckeye
    CenterBHSFan;545059 wrote:oh gawd.

    A perfect response. :)
  • Ty Webb
    If it was a diplomatic trip(just like this one is) I would've had ZERO problem with Bush taking a trip like this.
  • CenterBHSFan
    Writerbuckeye;545200 wrote:A perfect response. :)
    Yeah... it happens every now and then LOL
  • tk421
    200 million a day is indefensible for the President going anywhere in the world. What is this, the 1920s? Jesus, you'd think the secret service and the President had never traveled outside the U.S. with the amount of people and support they are sending. Like was said above, are we planning on invading India for god's sake? This kind of government waste is the perfect example of the mentality of those in power in D.C.
  • ptown_trojans_1
    BGFalcons82;544838 wrote:I do get their importance. I was being flippant in order to demonstrate our leader's wonton desire to apologize for America's greatness all over the globe. I'm really OK with meeting with India...but NOT at this cost. They just don't get it....

    So...the drones can't fly to India? Is there a limit the Pakistan/Indian border? They couldn't possibly be smuggled into India, could they? Or is their border so tight that no aliens may enter? These drones have literally killed hundreds of terrorists. While I'm OK with killing the bad guys, there are others to pick up where they left off.
    No, the drone strikes on on Afghanistan's eastern edge into Western Pakistan. They are no where near the Indian border because they do not need to be. There are no real insurgent groups or Haqqani network, LeT guys near India.
    QuakerOats;544904 wrote:Can someone, anyone possibly explain the need for over 3,000 people, over 30 aircraft, and over 30 ships? It is indefensible.

    And, if the argument is that it is unsafe to travel there, then:

    A) - Don't go; do it by teleconference (just like the private sector would do)

    B) - Invite them here and offer to pick up the tab (probably less than 10 million dollars; and save $2 billion)

    C) - At a minimum, cut the personnel going by 2/3rds; after all, why drag so many into harms way, as it were.

    But for God's sake, STOP THE INSANITY!
    believer;545177 wrote:Bullshit Gibmeister. If "W" had announced he was taking 3,000 people at $200,000,000 per day to India you would have been the FIRST OC ultra-leftist to get his panties in a wad over it. But since it's your boy BHO, he can do no wrong in your Kool Aid drinking eyes.

    Give that this is the first and probably only trip to India for the President and given the wide range of issues being talked and discussed in some cases mind numbing detail, the President is wise to send people from the Defense Department-civilian and military brass, Energy, Treasury, State Department, National Security Council, National Intelligence Agencies, and I'm sure members of the business community that work with India.

    If you include the actual big name people, plus their staff members, briefers, tech people, plus security, I could easily see over 3,000 if you include of course the President's staff.

    On foreign trips that are to close geopolitical allies, this is the norm. It may seem like a waste, but it is not and is the standard procedure going all the way back to Ike and meeting Krushchev in Vienna. Each President when discussing a wide range of issues, brings a massive staff simply to hammer out specific details. The reason why they do it this way is to have the ability to have the Presidents of both countries agree on measures at the end of the trip as well as counterpart discussions at the lower level (so assistant secretary of state to blah meets the Indian version of that person). It is simply easier to do this in one trip than to have 5 or 6 different trips to the region.

    I must also add that probably most of the people are there for the finalizing of the U.S.-India Nuclear Energy deal, where India will receive U.S. industry and company nuclear technology and expertise with U.S. government assistance. So, not only are government (U.S. and India) nuclear energy regulators in the discussions, but also U.S. companies are discussing with Indian companies on reactor designs, placements, insurance issues, etc. Those are large, long out complex discussions.

    Also, as I mentioned, India is a very important economic and strategic ally. It 1. Has nearly 14% of U.S. exports now, which is huge for the future of the U.S. economy and 2. Is a potential balance/ ally in the geopoltical movements with China.

    Finally, I would also say, that W's trip in 2007 was probably the same way. The only thing was, we didn't know the cost, so at least in this instance we know the cost and can at least debate or discuss the issue.
    Ty Webb;545055 wrote:ptown....thank god we have someone like you here
    Umm, ok thanks I guess. But, nearly all the posters on here are great.
  • jhay78
    ptown_trojans_1;545253 wrote:No, the drone strikes on on Afghanistan's eastern edge into Western Pakistan. They are no where near the Indian border because they do not need to be. There are no real insurgent groups or Haqqani network, LeT guys near India.
    Give that this is the first and probably only trip to India for the President and given the wide range of issues being talked and discussed in some cases mind numbing detail, the President is wise to send people from the Defense Department-civilian and military brass, Energy, Treasury, State Department, National Security Council, National Intelligence Agencies, and I'm sure members of the business community that work with India.

    If you include the actual big name people, plus their staff members, briefers, tech people, plus security, I could easily see over 3,000 if you include of course the President's staff.

    On foreign trips that are to close geopolitical allies, this is the norm. It may seem like a waste, but it is not and is the standard procedure going all the way back to Ike and meeting Krushchev in Vienna. Each President when discussing a wide range of issues, brings a massive staff simply to hammer out specific details. The reason why they do it this way is to have the ability to have the Presidents of both countries agree on measures at the end of the trip as well as counterpart discussions at the lower level (so assistant secretary of state to blah meets the Indian version of that person). It is simply easier to do this in one trip than to have 5 or 6 different trips to the region.

    I must also add that probably most of the people are there for the finalizing of the U.S.-India Nuclear Energy deal, where India will receive U.S. industry and company nuclear technology and expertise with U.S. government assistance. So, not only are government (U.S. and India) nuclear energy regulators in the discussions, but also U.S. companies are discussing with Indian companies on reactor designs, placements, insurance issues, etc. Those are large, long out complex discussions.

    Also, as I mentioned, India is a very important economic and strategic ally. It 1. Has nearly 14% of U.S. exports now, which is huge for the future of the U.S. economy and 2. Is a potential balance/ ally in the geopoltical movements with China.

    Finally, I would also say, that W's trip in 2007 was probably the same way. The only thing was, we didn't know the cost, so at least in this instance we know the cost and can at least debate or discuss the issue.


    Umm, ok thanks I guess. But, nearly all the posters on here are great.

    That's all well and good, but with all those details- why over there and not here? I could see a trip there as a formal gesture/goodwill trip, and then meet in the US to hammer out all the details with all the cabinet, staff, etc. Still doesn't make sense all the way through to me.
  • cbus4life
    believer;545177 wrote:Bullshit Gibmeister. If "W" had announced he was taking 3,000 people at $200,000,000 per day to India you would have been the FIRST OC ultra-leftist to get his panties in a wad over it. But since it's your boy BHO, he can do no wrong in your Kool Aid drinking eyes.

    I certainly would have called out Bush for it, just as i would called out Obama if this trip actually did cost 200 million per day.

    But, thankfully, that number is absolutely outrageous and has been widely disproved and discounted.

    Hence, i think this trip is just fine, and all part of the job. I had no problem with Bush traveling overseas, and no problem with Obama doing it, either.

    http://factcheck.org/2010/11/ask-factcheck-trip-to-mumbai/

    Just one of many groups discounting that number.

    The number was taken from some random, anonymous source in India, and then picked up and thrown around in order to rile people up. If you actually stop and think...the number is absolutely outrageous.

    Again, if i had any belief that it was costing this much...i would be outraged. But, thankfully, there isn't any possible way it will cost anywhere close to the amount quoted, so i feel good about the trip.
  • fish82
    cbus4life;545495 wrote:I certainly would have called out Bush for it, just as i would called out Obama if this trip actually did cost 200 million per day.

    But, thankfully, that number is absolutely outrageous and has been widely disproved and discounted.

    Hence, i think this trip is just fine, and all part of the job. I had no problem with Bush traveling overseas, and no problem with Obama doing it, either.

    http://factcheck.org/2010/11/ask-factcheck-trip-to-mumbai/

    Just one of many groups discounting that number.

    The number was taken from some random, anonymous source in India, and then picked up and thrown around in order to rile people up. If you actually stop and think...the number is absolutely outrageous.

    Again, if i had any belief that it was costing this much...i would be outraged. But, thankfully, there isn't any possible way it will cost anywhere close to the amount quoted, so i feel good about the trip.
    Then instead of just saying the number is "wildly exaggerated," the WH should just state what the real number is.
  • CenterBHSFan
    fish82;545558 wrote:Then instead of just saying the number is "wildly exaggerated," the WH should just state what the real number is.
    They probably don't think that it is any of our "business".
  • ManO'War
    Chalk up another one for "The Most Transparent Administration in US History"!