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  • LJ
    The rich guy pays 50 times more than the poor guy but only made 35 times what the poor guy made.
  • LJ
    Bigdogg;1077599 wrote:Not as much as they should.
    Your gripe is with payroll taxes, not income taxes. Maxing out the SS income drastically drops a rich person's effective rate.
  • fish82
    Bigdogg;1077591 wrote:Only the little people pay taxes.

    http://motherjones.com/politics/2011/04/taxes-richest-americans-charts-graph
    Shockingly, the IRS disagrees with Mother Jones. :cool:
    Income Tax Summary Statistics for 2009
    All Returns
    AGI ($Billions)
    Taxable Returns
    Income Tax After Credits ($Billions)
    Average Tax Rate
    Share of total taxes
    Share of all AGI
    All returns, total
    140,494,127
    $7,626
    81,890,189
    $865.9
    11%
    100%
    100%
    No adjusted gross income
    2,511,925
    ($199)
    3,820
    $0.1
    0.0%
    0%
    -3%
    $1 under $5,000
    10,447,635
    $27
    306,587
    $0.0
    0.1%
    0%
    0%
    $5,000 under $10,000
    12,220,335
    $92
    1,899,331
    $0.4
    0.4%
    0%
    1%
    $10,000 under $15,000
    12,444,512
    $155
    2,883,906
    $0.8
    1%
    0%
    2%
    $15,000 under $20,000
    11,400,228
    $199
    4,868,050
    $2.5
    1%
    0%
    3%
    $20,000 under $25,000
    10,033,887
    $225
    4,639,085
    $4.7
    2%
    1%
    3%
    $25,000 under $30,000
    8,662,392
    $238
    4,603,763
    $6.8
    3%
    1%
    3%
    $30,000 under $40,000
    14,371,647
    $500
    9,589,845
    $20.2
    4%
    2%
    7%
    $40,000 under $50,000
    10,796,412
    $483
    8,381,017
    $25.4
    5%
    3%
    6%
    $50,000 under $75,000
    18,694,893
    $1,149
    16,449,393
    $78.0
    7%
    9%
    15%
    $75,000 under $100,000
    11,463,725
    $990
    10,987,101
    $80.5
    8%
    9%
    13%
    $100,000 under $200,000
    13,522,048
    $1,801
    13,374,553
    $212.3
    12%
    25%
    24%
    $200,000 under $500,000
    3,195,039
    $905
    3,178,420
    $176.3
    19%
    20%
    12%
    $500,000 under $1,000,000
    492,567
    $332
    489,904
    $80.5
    24%
    9%
    4%
    $1,000,000 under $1,500,000
    108,096
    $130
    107,416
    $32.8
    25%
    4%
    2%
    $1,500,000 under $2,000,000
    44,273
    $76
    44,015
    $19.4
    25%
    2%
    1%
    $2,000,000 under $5,000,000
    61,918
    $183
    61,535
    $46.9
    26%
    5%
    2%
    $5,000,000 under $10,000,000
    14,322
    $97
    14,236
    $24.6
    25%
    3%
    1%
    $10,000,000 or more
    8,274
    $240
    8,211
    $53.8
    22%
    6%
    3%
    Summary for $1 Million+
    236,883
    $726.9
    235,413
    $177.5
    25%
    20%
    10%
  • QuakerOats
    Bigdogg;1077591 wrote:Only the little people pay taxes.

    http://motherjones.com/politics/2011/04/taxes-richest-americans-charts-graph
    NONE of the little people pay ANY federal income tax.

    In fact, the bottom 48% pay NO federal income tax. That is BS; everyone should pay at least $100 minimum for at least a nominal share for their national defense.

    The producers in this country are not only paying all the taxes, they are paying for the other half that pays NOTHING.

    Get in the game!!!!!!!
  • IggyPride00
    Obama gave the silent nod to his rich friends to start donating to Super Pacs yesterday.

    He had previously been against them, but apparently news of the Koch brothers pledging $60 million dollars to a super pac designed to get BHO out of office put the fear of God in him.

    Soros, Peter Lewis and other wealthy billionaires had been withholding their donations until Obama promised to stop demonizing Super Pacs. He gave the go ahead last night.

    Liberals are trying to make the case that to do anything other than encourage a pro-BHO super pac would have been equivalent to unilateral disarmament.

    Are you ready for the carpet bombing of the air waves with pro-BHO ads that will start being released now that he knows the coffers will be overflowing with donations from his rich friends?
  • QuakerOats
    IggyPride00;1078099 wrote:Are you ready for the carpet bombing of the air waves with pro-BHO ads that will start being released now that he knows the coffers will be overflowing with donations from his rich friends?

    9 months to go until the survival of the republic is determined.
  • Bigdogg
    QuakerOats;1077632 wrote:NONE of the little people pay ANY federal income tax.

    In fact, the bottom 48% pay NO federal income tax. That is BS; everyone should pay at least $100 minimum for at least a nominal share for their national defense.

    The producers in this country are not only paying all the taxes, they are paying for the other half that pays NOTHING.

    Get in the game!!!!!!!
    You mean they pay no FEDERAL INCOME TAXES. They pay all kinds of other taxes that are in no way, shape, or form regressive.
  • BGFalcons82
    QuakerOats;1078123 wrote:9 months to go until the survival of the republic is determined.
    A vote for Obama means the Supreme Court will have more people that think like Ruth Buzzi Ginsburg - http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/02/06/ginsburg-to-egyptians-wouldnt-use-us-constitution-as-model/ Yeah, I know Clinton appointed her, but she represents Obama's "love" for the Constitution.

    I wonder if the Ronulans would like more people like Justice Ginsburg or say someone like Justice Scalia? Their votes, or lack thereof as opined by Cleveland Buck, pmoney, sleeper, et al, could play a large role in answering this question.
  • Bigdogg
    LJ;1077607 wrote:Your gripe is with payroll taxes, not income taxes. Maxing out the SS income drastically drops a rich person's effective rate.
    My gripe is with people who do not pay the same proportional share of their taxes. Yes, I know if you own your own business there are all kinds of perfectly legal ways to show less income then you really are receiving and lower your effective tax rate I am sure you and fishie take full advantage. Most people are not in the same position. Hell, fish set up some bogus non profit just to dodge paying taxes on one of his hobbies. I think paying taxes is everyone's patriotic duty. Cheating is the same as deserting on D-day to me.

    I don't like paying all the taxes I have to pay anymore then you do. There are lots of local tax issues that I do not agree with. As long as we live in a representative democracy, there will be disagreements. There is a cost for government services, and the price of freedom and protection. The debate will always be just how much should you pay, for what, and what is fair.
  • LJ
    Bigdogg;1078197 wrote:My gripe is with people who do not pay the same proportional share of their taxes. Yes, I know if you own your own business there are all kinds of perfectly legal ways to show less income then you really are receiving and lower your effective tax rate I am sure you and fishie take full advantage. Most people are not in the same position. Hell, fish set up some bogus non profit just to dodge paying taxes on one of his hobbies. I think paying taxes is everyone's patriotic duty. Cheating is the same as deserting on D-day to me.

    I don't like paying all the taxes I have to pay anymore then you do. There are lots of local tax issues that I do not agree with. As long as we live in a representative democracy, there will be disagreements. There is a cost for government services, and the price of freedom and protection. The debate will always be just how much should you pay, for what, and what is fair.
    No, that isn't what I am talking about. Even if you make $1 million in straight income, your marginal effective rate will be lower because you only paid 6.5% in SS on 10% of your income. It's not a way of showing less income or a way to cheat taxes, it is just how the code is written.
  • Manhattan Buckeye
    "I think paying taxes is everyone's patriotic duty."

    You must dislike nearly 50% of Americans that pay nothing, or even worse actually get money back from the government from filing.
  • BGFalcons82
    Bigdogg;1078197 wrote:Yes, I know if you own your own business there are all kinds of perfectly legal ways to show less income then you really are receiving and lower your effective tax rate I am sure you and fishie take full advantage. Most people are not in the same position. Hell, fish set up some bogus non profit just to dodge paying taxes on one of his hobbies. I think paying taxes is everyone's patriotic duty. Cheating is the same as deserting on D-day to me.
    "..perfectly legal ways to show less income.."

    Are you upset with the behemoth known as the United States Tax Code or are you upset that others have made conscious decisions to engage qualified lawyers and accountants to figure out legal ways to pay their legal amount? Or maybe you're mad at yourself that you haven't done such? You do realize that corporations, such as G.E. have employed hundreds of such types to reduce their tax burden to nearly 0%. You know that Berkshire Hathaway, driven by Leftist God-send Warren Buffet, is actively pursuing paying as little in federal tax as is legally possible (although the IRS is claiming they owe several million in back-taxes)? Are you mad at G.E. for taking the wherewithall to learn how to not pay taxes? Do you know why corporations relocate to the U.K. but still manage their operations from the U.S. (hint...it has to do with the 35% corporate tax rate)?

    I get it that you're mad as hell that people aren't paying their fair share (as defined by you/Pelosi/Obama/whoeverthefuck) and are somehow cheating. Maybe...just maybe...your anger should be directed at those that have chosen to tweak, twist, manipulate, reward, subsidize, corrupt, edit, and modify the tax code itself. Maybe we should move to a flatter tax type structure so that fairness can be more...ummm...ahem...transparent.
  • QuakerOats
    http://www.washingtontimes.com/blog/inside-politics/2012/feb/7/administration-names-official-advocate-illegal-imm/

    Change we can believe in ....
  • Bigdogg
    BGFalcons82;1078362 wrote:"..perfectly legal ways to show less income.."

    Are you upset with the behemoth known as the United States Tax Code or are you upset that others have made conscious decisions to engage qualified lawyers and accountants to figure out legal ways to pay their legal amount? Or maybe you're mad at yourself that you haven't done such? You do realize that corporations, such as G.E. have employed hundreds of such types to reduce their tax burden to nearly 0%. You know that Berkshire Hathaway, driven by Leftist God-send Warren Buffet, is actively pursuing paying as little in federal tax as is legally possible (although the IRS is claiming they owe several million in back-taxes)? Are you mad at G.E. for taking the wherewithall to learn how to not pay taxes? Do you know why corporations relocate to the U.K. but still manage their operations from the U.S. (hint...it has to do with the 35% corporate tax rate)?

    I get it that you're mad as hell that people aren't paying their fair share (as defined by you/Pelosi/Obama/whoeverthefuck) and are somehow cheating. Maybe...just maybe...your anger should be directed at those that have chosen to tweak, twist, manipulate, reward, subsidize, corrupt, edit, and modify the tax code itself. Maybe we should move to a flatter tax type structure so that fairness can be more...ummm...ahem...transparent.
    I would be happy to implement some of the suggestions that National Commission on Fiscal Responsibility and Reform Committee recommended for a start. I think that there is plenty of responsibility to spread around but if you want to place the blame what about the past policies of cutting taxes and spending like crazy from the last 20 years? Both sides have spent, only one side has cut taxes and spent. Some people can look past the political rhetoric, and some people can not. Which are you?
  • fish82
    Bigdogg;1078197 wrote:My gripe is with people who do not pay the same proportional share of their taxes. Yes, I know if you own your own business there are all kinds of perfectly legal ways to show less income then you really are receiving and lower your effective tax rate I am sure you and fishie take full advantage. Most people are not in the same position. Hell, fish set up some bogus non profit just to dodge paying taxes on one of his hobbies. I think paying taxes is everyone's patriotic duty. Cheating is the same as deserting on D-day to me.

    I don't like paying all the taxes I have to pay anymore then you do. There are lots of local tax issues that I do not agree with. As long as we live in a representative democracy, there will be disagreements. There is a cost for government services, and the price of freedom and protection. The debate will always be just how much should you pay, for what, and what is fair.
    I get a W-2 the same as you, bro. And the 501(c)(3) is actually the fundraising arm for my kid's studio, of which my only affiliation is serving on the board. And here you fancy yourself such the detective...color me disappointed. ;)
  • QuakerOats
    http://news.investors.com/Article/600452/201202080802/government-dependence-jumps-under-president-obama.htm

    Change we can believe in ...
  • HitsRus
    ^^^which is why I'll be voting for a change of leadership in November.
  • queencitybuckeye
    HitsRus;1080107 wrote:^^^which is why I'll be voting for a change of leadership in November.
    I will too, but if the unemployment rate plus the price of gas equals 12 or less, BHO will win easily.
  • sleeper
    HitsRus;1080107 wrote:^^^which is why I'll be voting for a change of leadership in November.
    Same here.
  • fish82
    queencitybuckeye;1080122 wrote:I will too, but if the unemployment rate plus the price of gas equals 12 or less, BHO will win easily.
    I don't see a scenario where he wins "easily." Win or lose, it's going to be a long night.
  • tk421
    Tis a shame those touted unemployment numbers that went down are a total sham. Anything to make the administration look good.
  • Belly35
    HitsRus;1080107 wrote:^^^which is why I'll be voting for a change of leadership in November.
    To consider Obama a leader is a joke .... Public Servant Community Organizer "PSCO" must gone in November
  • QuakerOats
    http://news.yahoo.com/washington-footing-cell-phone-bill-millions-low-income-202500656.html


    Please, stop the insanity .......
  • wkfan
    The title of the article is "Washington Footing the Cell Phone Bill for Millions of Low Income Americans".....

    Washington isn't paying for cellphones....we TAXPAYERS are.

    This is more proof that our Federal Government cannot effectively and effeciently manage ANY program.

    And Democrats still want the Federal Government to completly manage our health care system?
  • BGFalcons82
    wkfan;1080924 wrote:The title of the article is "Washington Footing the Cell Phone Bill for Millions of Low Income Americans".....

    Washington isn't paying for cellphones....we TAXPAYERS are.
    Haven't you heard? Cell phones are a right, not a privilege. Just add it to the right to abortions, the right for free healthkare, the right to occupy parks/public lands, the right for snaildarters to exist, and the right of illegal aliens to free education/free housing/free weapons. It's the living Constitution, bro. All hail change!!