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students not standing for the pledge, what say you?

  • CenterBHSFan
    Strapping Young Lad wrote: Steeler fans deserve it. I don't see how anyone could have that view!!! That's just crazy and the team/fans deserve to be exiled...

    LMFAO!!!
  • BRF
    Ha ha.....now we are on to dogging out Steeler fans at a Browns game! Yes, BRF has been in on that type of freedom of speech, too!

    It really IS kind of related to the topic thread.
  • Strapping Young Lad
    At a Browns game???? Steeler fans are to be dogged on EVERYWHERE!!!!
  • BRF
    Strapping Young Lad wrote: If you said 'what's your problem' to me I'd probably ask you what your problem was, then we'd get nowhere.

    Wrong, imo, we WOULD get somewhere. Because it would escalate and the people around you, who might have been afraid to say something at first, would probably chime in with their two cents worth.
    Yes, we would "get somewhere".

    And, btw, this analogy is just ridiculous.........imo, of course:
    ....what if a child's father has been convicted and imprisoned but the kid passionately defends his fathers innocence and thinks that the justice system has instead done an injustice to his family, and simply does no twant to stand and recognize the phrase "justice for all"...So it doesn't even have to be prtoest. It may just be a personal choice, not to say it.
    p.s. - proofread before you post <----another example of freedom of speech
  • Strapping Young Lad
    I dont understand, what analogy do you mean??? I'm simply saying if someone asked me "what's your problem" I'd probably just get smart with them....On the other hand if you asked mne to explain what my reason fo rnot standing is, politely, I'd be happy to tell you....


    Also, I don't know what you're trying to say w/ the second quote either.....
  • dwccrew
    queencitybuckeye wrote: Why would someone feel the need to protest silently? Seems like someone who wants to say something, but lacks the balls to do so.
    Because actions always have, and always will, speak louder than words.
  • Ghmothwdwhso
    Glory Days wrote:
    Strapping Young Lad wrote: Glory days, it's not about standing up to SOMEONE.

    The only reason you would feel the nedd to STAND UP TO a person who is in protest is because you feel that a person is wrong in their belief. Who are you to tell someone what to believe in or what traditions to follow...

    What if a person refuses the POA because that is how they've been raiseed by their parents. Why do YOU get to STAND UP to another person's values or beliefs???

    You can tell someone you don't agree with them....You can walk around all day, go to Synagogues and say hey I'm a Christan and what you believe here is wrong. You can call Cuba and say "hey, your system is the wrong one. You can find someone in a Turban and say HEY your religion is WRONG...

    But what do you get out of it??? Why not just leave people be, who aren't harmiong anyone and merely expressing their belifes...They aren't physically bothering you. Its not THEIR problem tha tyou are offended and intolerant of their actions. Its your problem.

    I realize I'm not going to cahnge anyones mind, I just want to know WHAT DO YOU GET OUT OF TELLING PEOPLE THEIR BELIEFS ARE WRONG, because they aren't the same as yours???
    For the same reason people dont stand for the pledge, because they can. Because they feel what they believe in is right. why does it matter to YOU why someone voices their opinion on someone else's belief?

    and what do you get out of not standing and saying the pledge? its just a bunch of words. you arent signing any legal contracts or giving up anything by taking 30 seconds to say some words.
    This will be the "end-all other discussion on this thread post".:D It's been said before, each individual has their own beliefs/motives. As long as they are not disrupting the observance, they have every right to sit.
  • Strapping Young Lad
    And some loudmouth, intolerant, will be overheard in the background..."What's your problem?!?!?!":)
  • queencitybuckeye
    dwccrew wrote:
    queencitybuckeye wrote: Why would someone feel the need to protest silently? Seems like someone who wants to say something, but lacks the balls to do so.
    Because actions always have, and always will, speak louder than words.
    Substantive actions, yes. Actions that are the equivalent of sticking out one's tongue, not so much.
  • Strapping Young Lad
    It's got you talking. Right????
  • queencitybuckeye
    I'm on record supporting the rights of silly-asses to do silly-assed stuff, if they so choose.
  • original_sin
    Not to compare, but sometimes it's not so "silly-assed", just as Rosa Parks, MLK, Viet Nam protests did. It is our right as citizens and sometimes change happens because of "silly-ass" stuff. Who draws that line?
  • BRF
    I wouldn't want to be the guy dressed in Steeler's gear who doesn't want to stand for the National Anthem tonight......trying to do his silent protest and not wanting to be confronted about it!!

    ha ha!
  • Glory Days
    See, isnt it great that in the end, we still have a sense of humor about all this?
  • Strapping Young Lad
    I would kick the shit out of that guy......for wearin the Steelers gear, of course.