posted by ptown_trojans_1

 

posted by Spock

The Pistons and the Knicks from the early 90's would crush every team in the NBA today.  They were rough.

 

Maybe...but then again those teams rarely shot threes. The Warriors would be able to space better to be able to negate the physical play and shoot way more threes. I'm not sure those physical teams would be able to run with the Warriors or other run and gun teams today. 

For example, for the 1992-1993 season, Dan Majerle and Reggie Miller led the NBA with 167 3 pointers. Last year, James Harden had 378 and Steph had 354 made 3 pointers. 

Steph is the best shooter that I have ever seen, but he is also playing in an era where you can't handcheck or rough him up. They have basically taken defense out of the game. I think comparing stats under different sets of rules is comparing apples to oranges.

Steph is in the conversation of best shooter ever (along with Miller and Bird).  As for GSW being able to space out the Knicks....the knicks could space out anyway with a premier big man in Ewing controlling alot of space.  

Ewing, Smith and a rotation of 6'8" power fowards would handle the inside against GSW well.  Starks was a hell of a on the ball defender.  

posted by Al Bundy

They have basically taken defense out of the game. 

One could argue that that kind of defense should have never been allowed in the game to begin with, as basketball is a finesse sport

posted by ernest_t_bass

One could argue that that kind of defense should have never been allowed in the game to begin with, as basketball is a finesse sport

One could also argue if you actually watch a bunch of full games, it wasnt as physical as the "highlights" show. Freedom of off ball movement was an issue, and hand-checks were legal, but it wasnt a wrestling match like people make it out to be.

posted by Laley23

One could also argue if you actually watch a bunch of full games, it wasnt as physical as the "highlights" show. Freedom of off ball movement was an issue, and hand-checks were legal, but it wasnt a wrestling match like people make it out to be.

Every game had at least 1 or 2 moments where there was some rough play that in todays game would be a technical at minimum.  

This head hunting was in the back of every players mind.  Most knew that if you got hot you were going to get rough play.  Every team had a dirty player.

Another two good eps last night.

Anyone remember the "Republicans buy shoes too" comment? I dont, but seems like the media blew it out of proportion like they do nowadays as well.

I have no issues with his comment or not getting involved in politics. Personally, I dont like it when athletes get political and vice versa.

"I dont have a gambling problem. I can stop anytime..."

Looks like nxt week deals with his baseball career...

Jordan was good at not getting into the weeds on anything.  

The security guards throwing quarters stole  the show.  Dude was blowing up on twitter.

posted by thavoice

Another two good eps last night.

 

Anyone remember the "Republicans buy shoes too" comment? I dont, but seems like the media blew it out of proportion like they do nowadays as well.

I have no issues with his comment or not getting involved in politics. Personally, I dont like it when athletes get political and vice versa.

"I dont have a gambling problem. I can stop anytime..."

 

Looks like nxt week deals with his baseball career...

I remember the comment. If I remember correctly, many in black community hoped that Jordan would use his platform as an elite athlete to promote racial change like Ali, Bill Russell, Jim Brown, etc. had done. Jordan refused to go down that path. He just wanted to be the world's greatest basketball player.

I can’t stand basketball. 
 

With that being said, I REALLY like this documentary. 

I haven't had the chance to watch episode 6 yet, but I wanted to comment that the 1998 East All Star Team was WEAK AF.  

I haven’t seen 5-6 yet. But 1-4 have been disappointing to me given what it was billed as. Very little behind the scenes of the ‘98 season. I haven’t learned anything new yet, aside from a few interview tidbits. I want the raw footage this thing was supposedly “filled” with and the whole reason it took 20+ years for Jordan to finally “ok” its release. 
 

We all know about the dream team. Bad boys. His early accomplishments. Rodman. Jerry Krause. Etc. 

posted by Laley23

I haven’t seen 5-6 yet. But 1-4 have been disappointing to me given what it was billed as. Very little behind the scenes of the ‘98 season. I haven’t learned anything new yet, aside from a few interview tidbits. I want the raw footage this thing was supposedly “filled” with and the whole reason it took 20+ years for Jordan to finally “ok” its release. 
 

We all know about the dream team. Bad boys. His early accomplishments. Rodman. Jerry Krause. Etc. 

You might be the only person in the country with this view.  

posted by Spock

You might be the only person in the country with this view.  

Isiah Thomas probably isnt liking it very well, but for different reasons.

posted by thavoice

Isiah Thomas probably isnt liking it very well, but for different reasons.

He agreed to be part of it...so I am sure he is fine with it.

posted by Spock

You might be the only person in the country with this view.  

Simmons and Russilo have the same view. Not that they are the end all be all, but prominent voices in industry and have the same fandom that I do on Jordan. 2nd Favorite player growing up (Reggie). It’s just that I already knew all this or read about it all.

I just wanted more behind the scenes stuff that this was billed as. It’s been a great documentary, but I already knew everything. I read and watched an insane amount of basketball when I was aged 7-15 (93-2001). Jordan was everything and I watched all the highlights and taped all the games. Read all the articles and clippings. Just thought we’d get more unseen footage and more unknown stories. 

Ive heard Dream Team and Ep. 7 are fantastic and have more of what I am expecting. So really looking forward to that. I’m enjoying the whole thing tremendously. I fucking love Jordan. Just disappointed in what everyone told me it was going to be about. I legit expected a bit of background and then like 8 episodes of ‘98 footage.

posted by Laley23

Simmons and Russilo have the same view. Not that they are the end all be all, but prominent voices in industry and have the same fandom that I do on Jordan. 2nd Favorite player growing up (Reggie). It’s just that I already knew all this or read about it all.

I just wanted more behind the scenes stuff that this was billed as. It’s been a great documentary, but I already knew everything. I read and watched an insane amount of basketball when I was aged 7-15 (93-2001). Jordan was everything and I watched all the highlights and taped all the games. Read all the articles and clippings. Just thought we’d get more unseen footage and more unknown stories. 

Ive heard Dream Team and Ep. 7 are fantastic and have more of what I am expecting. So really looking forward to that. I’m enjoying the whole thing tremendously. I fucking love Jordan. Just disappointed in what everyone told me it was going to be about. I legit expected a bit of background and then like 8 episodes of ‘98 footage.

That's fair. I'm in the same boat as you as I knew a lot of this, but was actually looking forward to this as I wanted to revisit all of this. I want to be reminded how epic and great that team is.

The only real things I have learned so far was some of the early Jordan stuff and some of the stories/ rumors that were confirmed from Jordan himself. Like his stuff on Isiah was good. His comments about Pippen was enlightening too.  I've also heard Ep 7 and 8 are great. 

I don't GAF if I know it all or not.  I absolutely love it. 

posted by ernest_t_bass

I don't GAF if I know it all or not.  I absolutely love it. 

This lol. 
Laley’s comments legit make no sense. 

posted by SportsAndLady

This lol. 
Laley’s comments legit make no sense. 

He wants to see more behind the scenes footage of the 1998 season, because MJ has been holding onto the footage for over 20 years.  What doesn't make sense about that?

I am enjoying the documentary and it is fun to relive his entire career, but I do agree with Laley's point.  I wouldn't say I have been disappointed, but I felt like there was something missing and couldn't quite put my finger on it, until I saw Laley's post. 

posted by like_that

He wants to see more behind the scenes footage of the 1998 season, because MJ has been holding onto the footage for over 20 years.  What doesn't make sense about that?

I am enjoying the documentary and it is fun to relive his entire career, but I do agree with Laley's point.  I wouldn't say I have been disappointed, but I felt like there was something missing and couldn't quite put my finger on it, until I saw Laley's post. 

 

Its not hard to see the direction it is going.....before you dismiss the whole thing because you want more footage.....give it time.  Eventually you will get what you seek.  Then he can insert his foot in his mouth.

posted by like_that

He wants to see more behind the scenes footage of the 1998 season, because MJ has been holding onto the footage for over 20 years.  What doesn't make sense about that?

I am enjoying the documentary and it is fun to relive his entire career, but I do agree with Laley's point.  I wouldn't say I have been disappointed, but I felt like there was something missing and couldn't quite put my finger on it, until I saw Laley's post. 

 

There’s been plenty of footage. 

posted by SportsAndLady

There’s been plenty of footage. 

Episode 6 had some more, but they pretty much breezed thru the entire regular season in terms of 98' footage. There have been some highlights from the released footage, but overall nothing too revealing.   I am hoping we get to see much more candid footage during the playoffs.  It would be nice to see how tense everyone was during the ECF series, especially after Miller hit that game winner.

I think it’s been excellent. I’ve enjoyed how they’ve done it.

posted by Ironman92

I think it’s been excellent. I’ve enjoyed how they’ve done it.

Same. Feel like people just like to bitch about shit that everyone universally agrees is great. 

I haven't really learned anything new, but I have enjoyed every minute of it.