posted by kizer permanente

Wins 10 games in 2 years. 

We gotta get rid of him. 

 

Wins 1 game in 2 years. 

I think he’s still got the magic. 

Pettine was trash.  I am not making him look better, because he happens to not be worse smelling trash than Hue.  What pisses me off the most is NOW Haslam wanted to bang the "continuity" drum.  Where the fuck was that when you fired three coaches in four years?  That imo, led to him sticking with Hue despite being the worst of the bunch.  Also a secondary reason is the fact that so many vacancies opened up after this season, and Haslam probably knows he won't be getting the best coach.  He should have fucking hired Zimmer.  He had TWO chances, and decided not to hire him, because he was butt hurt that Zimmer gave him a candid response regarding the status of the entire franchise.

I still find it incredible how many people defend Hue.  Whether it is coming from the fans or the "experts," it is really confusing.  There have been plenty of good guys who have been fired with a better resume.

If this team would've had a very good QB, guys like Schurmur, Chud & Pettine would likely all still be here. For as shitty as Pettine may seem, he's the third best coach (for wins in a season= 7) behind Crennel (10) & Butch Davis (9). Outside of Belichick, I seriously doubt there's a coach in this league who would've had the Browns at .500 or above. Yes, there are better coaches who would've gotten them more wins but I'm firmly convinced that a HC is nothing without that QB.

I'm still interested in hearing more from all of these guys in KC who are coming out of the woodwork believing that Dorsey could put the Browns in cap "hell?" 92.3 is going to have the third guy on in the last 24 hours to discuss this. Sounds like he may not have handled things well with the Houston & Eric Berry contracts that caused the Chiefs to overspend when they could've gotten the player on the cheap(er) had they done the contract a year earlier.

posted by like_that

Pettine was trash.  I am not making him look better, because he happens to not be worse smelling trash than Hue.  What pisses me off the most is NOW Haslam wanted to bang the "continuity" drum.  Where the fuck was that when you fired three coaches in four years?  That imo, led to him sticking with Hue despite being the worst of the bunch.  Also a secondary reason is the fact that so many vacancies opened up after this season, and Haslam probably knows he won't be getting the best coach.  He should have fucking hired Zimmer.  He had TWO chances, and decided not to hire him, because he was butt hurt that Zimmer gave him a candid response regarding the status of the entire franchise.

I still find it incredible how many people defend Hue.  Whether it is coming from the fans or the "experts," it is really confusing.  There have been plenty of good guys who have been fired with a better resume.

No question Pettine was trash.. It's just funny we're keeping Hue when hes done exponentially worse.

posted by BR1986FB

If this team would've had a very good QB, guys like Schurmur, Chud & Pettine would likely all still be here. For as shitty as Pettine may seem, he's the third best coach (for wins in a season= 7) behind Crennel (10) & Butch Davis (9). Outside of Belichick, I seriously doubt there's a coach in this league who would've had the Browns at .500 or above. Yes, there are better coaches who would've gotten them more wins but I'm firmly convinced that a HC is nothing without that QB.

I'm still interested in hearing more from all of these guys in KC who are coming out of the woodwork believing that Dorsey could put the Browns in cap "hell?" 92.3 is going to have the third guy on in the last 24 hours to discuss this. Sounds like he may not have handled things well with the Houston & Eric Berry contracts that caused the Chiefs to overspend when they could've gotten the player on the cheap(er) had they done the contract a year earlier.

Considering the Browns have a shit ton of cap space and they are nowhere near competitive, I am not concerned about cap hell.  That's an issue for competitive teams to worry about.  If that becomes an issue, it most likely means we are finally competitive.

Wow Browns get Wolf now too. If only the coaches were changing I'd be excited abou this offseason. 

Please Alex Smith, come to the Browns.  

Browns signed Elliot Wolf and twitter seems to like the move.

In terms of Browns HC ranking I'll go with this (starting in 1999):

1. Butch Davis

2. RAC

3. Chris Palmer

4. Hue Jackson

5. Chud

6. Pettine

7. Mangini

8. Terry Robiskie

9. Patty Schurmur

How on earth can you have 1-31 at 4th best? This team is not talented, but they aren’t that far behind some other teams that squeaked out 4-6 wins.

Hue Jackson at 4???  Agree with Butch. Hue is a moron, he's in the convo of worst with Robiskie and Schurmur, imo.

posted by Laley23

How on earth can you have 1-31 at 4th best? This team is not talented, but they aren’t that far behind some other teams that squeaked out 4-6 wins.

Fight me.

posted by iclfan2

Hue Jackson at 4???  Agree with Butch. Hue is a moron, he's in the convo of worst with Robiskie and Schurmur, imo.

Players least play hard under Hue. 0-6 wins, DGAF. Undr Hue our players are least put in position, our def has looked the best it has ever looked. Quite a few reasons I'd put him there. More of a damnation on the rest of the HC than praise of Hue fucking Jackson.

posted by Commander of Awesome

Players least play hard under Hue. 0-6 wins, DGAF. Undr Hue our players are least put in position, our def has looked the best it has ever looked. Quite a few reasons I'd put him there. More of a damnation on the rest of the HC than praise of Hue fucking Jackson.

Agree with this. One thing that can be said about this group, they may seem clueless, but at least they keep fighting for him. And the funny part is that the players are like dogs that get beaten by their owner. They take a whipping (verbal in Hue's case, downplaying the talent) yet seem loyal to him.

I've resigned myself to the fact that he'll be here to at least start the 2018 season. He had better get off to a pretty fast start or I think the leash may be short. Assuming Dorsey & Company do their jobs, he'll have no more "not my fault" excuses. Time to coach, Hue.

As a side note, I do think every coach on your list below Hue (except Robiskie) would have more than 1 win with this current squad.

posted by Commander of Awesome

Players least play hard under Hue. 0-6 wins, DGAF. Undr Hue our players are least put in position, our def has looked the best it has ever looked. Quite a few reasons I'd put him there. More of a damnation on the rest of the HC than praise of Hue fucking Jackson.

Our defense still looks like dog shit. I could complete a 3rd and 2 against these morons. When the db lines up 10 yards off the receiver it isn't hard. And don't even need to mention the safety lining up in a different zip code.  Hue speaks the same as the shittiest of the shitty. IDGAF how "hard" the players play, they won 1 game in 2 years. Maybe if Hue was more likeable I'd even see your argument, but he's a complete fuck. No other coach could have done this... LOL!

posted by Commander of Awesome

Browns signed Elliot Wolf and twitter seems to like the move.

 

In terms of Browns HC ranking I'll go with this (starting in 1999):

1. Butch Davis

2. RAC

3. Chris Palmer

4. Hue Jackson

5. Chud

6. Pettine

7. Mangini

8. Terry Robiskie

9. Patty Schurmur

My rankings depressing rankings:

1.Botch Davis:  Made the playoffs and should have made it the previous year.  Pretty easy to be #1 with the bar set low.

2. Crennel: Same as davis, the bar is set low, but he has the last winning season.  There are many memories that could have gotten the Browns 11 wins and a playoff appearance, but the one that pisses me off the most is somehow the refs decided the push out rule didn't apply to the Browns against the cardinals.  By rule (at the time), that was a clear TD.  I always hated the push out catch rule, because the Browns got the short end of the stick, and then the one time it should have benefitted them the officials somehow decided the rule didnt exist.

3. Erica Womangini: Probably a controversial ranking, but it's really a pile of shit and he at least demonstrated success before the Browns.   If he didn't have his tentacles on personnel decisions (trading down with the jets for garbage), I think he could have done better.*

4. Pettine: Same shit as mangini.  If he doesnt want Gilbert and Haslam isn't a fucking idiot pushing for Manziel, I think he does better.  Also came in when Gordon started his 2 year hiatus from the NFL.*

5. Palmer: His years are a blur, but at least he beat the Steelers.

6. Chud: Such a dumbass hire.  He wasn't close to being qualified for a NFL HC gig.  OMG he is from Cleveland guise!!

7. Little Patty Boy:  I fucking hate him the most, but he isn't the worst coach of the group.

8. Hue:  He went 0-16 and currently only has 1 win.  He is automatically last place on the list and he should be disqualified from any HC job in the NFL for the rest of his life.

Robiskie is not eligible for my rankings.

*= when I say better, that still doesn't mean I don't think they were trash.

posted by iclfan2

Our defense still looks like dog shit. I could complete a 3rd and 2 against these morons. When the db lines up 10 yards off the receiver it isn't hard. And don't even need to mention the safety lining up in a different zip code.  Hue speaks the same as the shittiest of the shitty. IDGAF how "hard" the players play, they won 1 game in 2 years. Maybe if Hue was more likeable I'd even see your argument, but he's a complete fuck. No other coach could have done this... LOL!

I still maintain they have an above average front seven. What kills them is the secondary and they need more pass rush. Wonder why Peppers is positioned in the center field bleachers? Because Gregg Williams doesn't trust the scrub ass DB's he has to put out there. Main reason they are giving the WR's a 10 yard cushion. When they get better DB's in here, a) I'd bet you'll see more press coverage and b) I bet you'll see Peppers close to the LOS, playing in the box, where he thrives and belongs.

We could also get a FS in here to make Peppers move. Minkah?

posted by like_that

My rankings depressing rankings:

1.Botch Davis:  Made the playoffs and should have made it the previous year.  Pretty easy to be #1 with the bar set low.

2. Crennel: Same as davis, the bar is set low, but he has the last winning season.  There are many memories that could have gotten the Browns 11 wins and a playoff appearance, but the one that pisses me off the most is somehow the refs decided the push out rule didn't apply to the Browns against the cardinals.  By rule (at the time), that was a clear TD.  I always hated the push out catch rule, because the Browns got the short end of the stick, and then the one time it should have benefitted them the officials somehow decided the rule didnt exist.

3. Erica Womangini: Probably a controversial ranking, but it's really a pile of shit and he at least demonstrated success before the Browns.   If he didn't have his tentacles on personnel decisions (trading down with the jets for garbage), I think he could have done better.*

4. Pettine: Same shit as mangini.  If he doesnt want Gilbert and Haslam isn't a fucking idiot pushing for Manziel, I think he does better.  Also came in when Gordon started his 2 year hiatus from the NFL.*

5. Palmer: His years are a blur, but at least he beat the Steelers.

6. Chud: Such a dumbass hire.  He wasn't close to being qualified for a NFL HC gig.  OMG he is from Cleveland guise!!

7. Little Patty Boy:  I fucking hate him the most, but he isn't the worst coach of the group.

8. Hue:  He went 0-16 and currently only has 1 win.  He is automatically last place on the list and he should be disqualified from any HC job in the NFL for the rest of his life.

 

Robiskie is not eligible for my rankings.

*= when I say better, that still doesn't mean I don't think they were trash.

I agree with you on Davis & Mangini. I think Mangini would've been an exceptional coach if his friggin' "I can beat any team with any players" ego wouldn't have played a part in it. Davis should've never had control over personnel. He whiffed on a few HOF's (Tomlinson & TheRapist to name a few).

Where I disagree with you guys is Schurmur. If you watch his play calling, he's actually pretty good. I think his time here in Cleveland was partially due to the players (mainly QB) he was dealt. He's going to land another HC gig and I bet he's pretty decnet at it.

posted by BR1986FB

I still maintain they have an above average front seven. What kills them is the secondary and they need more pass rush. Wonder why Peppers is positioned in the center field bleachers? Because Gregg Williams doesn't trust the scrub ass DB's he has to put out there. Main reason they are giving the WR's a 10 yard cushion. When they get better DB's in here, a) I'd bet you'll see more press coverage and b) I bet you'll see Peppers close to the LOS, playing in the box, where he thrives and belongs.

I agree with this. But because they don't have a secondary, they play that dumb shit and it is an easy loss. 

posted by BR1986FB

He's going to land another HC gig and I bet he's pretty decnet at it.

I will take that bet.  He isn't HC material.  

posted by like_that

I will take that bet.  He isn't HC material.  

These guys generally learn their lesson after their first failure. I doubt he makes the same mistake (calling his own plays) and brings in an OC. If he calls his own plays again, he'll fail miserably.

posted by iclfan2

I agree with this. But because they don't have a secondary, they play that dumb shit and it is an easy loss. 

Guess you can't make chicken salad out of chicken shit. They get the players back there, the wins will slowly come.

They were discussing this on the radio this morning because I guess Haden was recently butthurt about them wanting him to take a pay cut and his subsequent release. Now granted, Haden now pretty much sucks and is on the down side of his career. But would him still being with the Browns meant a couple of wins? Maybe? Guys like Mike Jordan probably never see the field and DB's that were playing out of position might be able to be shifted around.

By no means am I implying Haden would be some kind of "savior" because, again, he sucks, but he probably sucks less than most of what's already back there.

posted by BR1986FB

These guys generally learn their lesson after their first failure. I doubt he makes the same mistake (calling his own plays) and brings in an OC. If he calls his own plays again, he'll fail miserably.

That's not true.  Plenty of coaches failed on their first time only to fail again.  Just look at our list of coaches.  Hue apparently didn't learn anything in Oakland.

posted by like_that

That's not true.  Plenty of coaches failed on their first time only to fail again.  Just look at our list of coaches.  Hue apparently didn't learn anything in Oakland.

Jason Campbell (at that time), although far from a world beater, is better than anything the Browns have had here during Hue's tenure.

posted by like_that

That's not true.  Plenty of coaches failed on their first time only to fail again.  Just look at our list of coaches.  Hue apparently didn't learn anything in Oakland.

this, there was an article a while ago that basically said outside of Bill Bellichek, there wasn't a good example of a retread coaching ever being successful.

posted by Commander of Awesome

this, there was an article a while ago that basically said outside of Bill Bellichek, there wasn't a good example of a retread coaching ever being successful.

I guess I'd need a definition of "retread" because Belichick was a successful (playoffs in 1994) HC before it all fell apart after the team gave up when it was announced they were moving to Baltimore.