I don't trust Allen's accuracy issues at all. Like BR said, Accuracy doesn't usually improve at the NFL level. 

posted by kizer permanente

Brees also has elite accuracy and Russell Wilson has elite scrambling ability. Elite qualities allow them to overcome their stature. Mayfield doesnt have an elite quality and hes short. That's why I'm not high on him. 

Might want to check your stats on this. Comparing apples to apples (college stats), Mayfield's completion %, for his career, was 68.5%, while Brees was 61.1%. I'll give Mayfield his due for that one quality. He is VERY accurate.

posted by BR1986FB

Might want to check your stats on this. Comparing apples to apples (college stats), Mayfield's completion %, for his career, was 68.5%, while Brees was 61.1%. I'll give Mayfield his due for that one quality. He is VERY accurate.

Drew Brees is the most accuarate passer in NFL history. Comparing Mayfield and Brees college stats isn't apples to apples. Brees threw a TON more than Mayfield. When you throw a ton more, your completion percentage is inevitably going to go down. They don't run the same offenses. They don't make identical throws. Completion percentage doesn't mean much comparing the two.

posted by kizer permanente

Comparing Mayfield and Brees college stats isn't apples to apples. 

Umm, yes...it is. When you only have college stats to compare, that's what you compare. Are we supposed to compare Mayfield's professional stats to Brees'?

posted by BR1986FB

Umm, yes...it is. When you only have college stats to compare, that's what you compare. Are we supposed to compare Mayfield's professional stats to Brees'?

Nevermind then, BR. Most people would say its a bit more nuanced than that. I guess you're not one of those people.

posted by kizer permanente

Nevermind then, BR. Most people would say its a bit more nuanced than that. I guess you're not one of those people.

Before the guy has even been drafted, you can't compare one guys pro stats versus another guys non-stats. Mayfield hasn't even played a down in the NFL and you've already jumped to the conclusion that Brees will be more accurate (over their careers) when we don't know that. I doubt Mayfield will even touch the level of success Brees has but you just can't assume that comparing Brees pro numbers versus numbers Mayfield hasn't even started to accumulate.

I have a gut feeling that Rosen is the best pick.  I hate to do this to what seems like a nice kid, but I want him in Cleveland.  

posted by BR1986FB

Before the guy has even been drafted, you can't compare one guys pro stats versus another guys non-stats. Mayfield hasn't even played a down in the NFL and you've already jumped to the conclusion that Brees will be more accurate (over their careers) when we don't know that. I doubt Mayfield will even touch the level of success Brees has but you just can't assume that comparing Brees pro numbers versus numbers Mayfield hasn't even started to accumulate.

You're missing the point. You can't compare completion percentages when one guys throwing 550 passes a year and the other 350.

Did one QB have a different offense in college than the other?  Does throwing downfield more than dink and dunk make understanding the completion percentages differently?  I think it might.

posted by vball10set

Under no circumstance do I want Mayfield. That being said, I reiterate that I'd like to see Dorsey select Barkley at 1, and then draft either Darnold, Allen or Rosen at 4 (in that order). Again, jmo, but since there is no clear cut QB stud in this class, they might as well get the best RB available while rolling the dice with one of these three.

posted by kizer permanente

You're missing the point. You can't compare completion percentages when one guys throwing 550 passes a year and the other 350.

Still, the "unknown." You don't know that Mayfield's completion % wouldn't be higher if he threw as many passes. There's about a 7% difference in completion percentage, which is a pretty decent gap.

Granted, Brees didn't throw many passes his freshman year but Mayfield only threw less than 200 passes than Brees over his career. Brees % decreased (yearly) from his sophomore year to his senior year while Mayfield's increased from his freshman to junior year and leveled off his senior year.

posted by kizer permanente

You're missing the point. You can't compare completion percentages when one guys throwing 550 passes a year and the other 350.

One could say that. One could also say that pass attempts was the only stat Brees was superior in while in college, as Mayfield averaged more yards per attempt and had a vastly superior TD/INT ratio. Neither of which are a be-all, end-all, considering that Mayfield's Okies were a far superior team than Brees' Boilermakers, but it seems a bit disingenius to say a guy doesn't have any elite element while another guy does with accuracy when the non-elite guy has been more elite up to his current age and it took the elite guy up to his fourth year in the NFL (third as a starter) to develop anything remotely elite-level in accuracy.

I also don't know that pass numbers really mean that much. When Brees really started getting elite with NO later in his career and had a few 70% seasons and a few more in the 68-70 range, he was throwing between 514-673 passes a year, which simply states that he (a) got a lot better in the NFL and/or (b) was in a system that played to his strengths with the personnel to pull it off. With Cleveland's current personnel, having any quarterback airing it out that much would be insane. They're more in a situation where I think the run game has to be more of a focal point, while the QB needs to be smart and accurate.

I love Barkley but I would never take a running back that high under any circumstance. If you’re letting Crow go I would like a Nick Chubb late 2 or early 3.

Is there a PFF equivalent for college football that tracks accurate passes? That's the really only way you'll get a definitive answer. And even then its largely speculatory since there's the human condition grading it. Untill then, I'll side with the most accurate passer in NFL history. Completion percentage in it's most basic form isn't a telling statistic. 

posted by kizer permanente

Is there a PFF equivalent for college football that tracks accurate passes? That's the really only way you'll get a definitive answer. And even then its largely speculatory since there's the human condition grading it. Untill then, I'll side with the most accurate passer in NFL history. Completion percentage in it's most basic form isn't a telling statistic. 

Found this:

https://twitter.com/TJCarter26/status/948911273877606400?s=09

I don’t trust completion % for QBs in certain systems. Weeden’s %’s were probably great. 

posted by SportsAndLady

I don’t trust completion % for QBs in certain systems. Weeden’s %’s were probably great. 

69% completion % btw

Fair enough. And I’m not trying to say that baker isn’t accurate. I just don’t trust completion % by itself as a statistical category to depict accuracy. 

posted by SportsAndLady

Fair enough. And I’m not trying to say that baker isn’t accurate. I just don’t trust completion % by itself as a statistical category to depict accuracy. 

Doesn't matter to me about his accuracy. Still don't want him at #1 or #4.

posted by SportsAndLady

I don’t trust completion % for QBs in certain systems. Weeden’s %’s were probably great. 

So was Colt McCoy's.

posted by Commander of Awesome

Found this:

 

https://twitter.com/TJCarter26/status/948911273877606400?s=09

That’s actually pretty legit. 

It makes no difference who the Browns select as a QB. Whomever they choose will go on to underperform because the team is run by idiots. 

Ogbah and Shelton complained about the parade on twitter. Shelton even went as far to say free agents wouldn’t want to come there bc of it. I had to lol at that. I’m pretty sure the never winning plays a much larger part. 

posted by iclfan2

Ogbah and Shelton complained about the parade on twitter. Shelton even went as far to say free agents wouldn’t want to come there bc of it. I had to lol at that. I’m pretty sure the never winning plays a much larger part. 

The parade is pathetic.  Just a loser mentality organized by a dumbass "twitter comedian."

The “parade” is harmless. When you’re a fan and watching 1-15, 0-16 seasons over and over, might as well try and have a little fun with it. 

Shelton and Ogbah can either get better or STFU.