posted by OSH

I liked this article: https://www.statnews.com/2020/03/17/a-fiasco-in-the-making-as-the-coronavirus-pandemic-takes-hold-we-are-making-decisions-without-reliable-data/.

I appreciate the use of numbers throughout. This is how I’ve been looking at it but a dumbed down version for me.

Yeah, the lack of more defined numbers is frustrating. I also like this Fivethirtyeight article about the wide range of cases and deaths

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/experts-say-the-coronavirus-outlook-has-worsened-but-the-trajectory-is-still-unclear/

I do like this Johns Hopkins map of total cases, deaths, and most importantly people recovered. 

https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map.html

I think we are all hearing all these new cases and deaths. I think right now as a country, we are tracking like 1-2% mortality rate. That is pretty damn good all things considered. 

I would appreciate a total number breakdown as follows:

• Total number of active cases 
• Total number of hospital cases 
• Total number of ICU cases 
• Total deaths
• Total number of hospital cases that have recovered 
• Total number of ICU cases that have recovered 
• All that data broken down into state and if possible county and city and how it changes over time. 

I think that breakdown, if possible, may be the case way we can understand how this going. 

I saw an interactive map yesterday where you can zoom to the county level. I can't find it right now, but I'll post it later.

I want to know where exactly the fucking hotspots are in NYC. Assuming one is deep Queens, near the Elmhurst hospital. That place looks horrifying, Italy levels.

Just hearsay, but I heard yesterday that for every 1 confirmed positive, there are 35 more in NYC. THIRTY FIVE. I'd like to find the source of that also.

I get it somewhat. For example, my gf's former coworker lives 3 blocks away. His roommate has it, full on symptoms. He's self quarantining, was tested last week, still no results. Now the former coworker has it and dealing with awful symptoms. Pneumonia is on the way. So there's two unaccounted for. Numbers are definitely are a lot higher than we know.

Has anyone looked, compared, or know the differences between Covid-19 and H1N1? I've done some amateur stuff myself, but man...it's so similar and interesting comparisons.

The US didn't do anything like this for H1N1, it hit 60 million people and killed 12,000. It ended up killing 200,000 worldwide. Sure, death isn't good especially if it preventable. But, those numbers and potentially these numbers with Covid-19 aren't abnormal to what we've seen before.

But, there is so much data and numbers we'll NEVER know with Covid-19. It could have been around (and probably was) since November 1. That gives the virus 2 months before actually being labeled/diagnosed on December 31. There was undoubtedly a rash of infections in that time span in the US. Surely there were deaths that were chalked up as "flu." Just like what's happened before and will happen again. Exactly what that link above I posted stated -- viruses happen and they've been labeled whatever or "flu-like" for years. 

posted by Spock

https://www.breitbart.com/health/2020/03/26/seiu-healthcare-union-suddenly-finds-39-million-n95-masks/

 

seems kind of fishy.  You had 39 million of these and you just happen to "find them".  Please.  End game looks to be "wait till the supply falls below demand and then make a bigger profit".

 

 

Can I get a few of them

Congressman Massie from Kentucky is forcing a roll call vote in the House. 

I would like to know the stats on the analytics of age, gender, race, blood type, whether a flu shot was gotten......amongs other things on who got really sick, who showed no symptoms and who died.

posted by wildcats20

Congressman Massie from Kentucky is forcing a roll call vote in the House. 

And got blasted by President Trump and John Kerry on twitter.

https://twitter.com/JohnKerry/status/1243552337429438464

What a world...

posted by Spock

I would like to know the stats on the analytics of age, gender, race, blood type, whether a flu shot was gotten......amongs other things on who got really sick, who showed no symptoms and who died.

Pretty sure we all would.

posted by O-Trap

Pretty sure we all would.

I am betting that the "flu" shots are going to reward people in some fashion with help.  Just guessing

posted by Spock

I am betting that the "flu" shots are going to reward people in some fashion with help.  Just guessing

How do you mean?  Like those who got a flu shot are less susceptible to it somehow?

I doubt that, if only because this virus isn't a flu strain, but I might be misunderstanding what you mean.

posted by ptown_trojans_1

And got blasted by President Trump and John Kerry on twitter.

https://twitter.com/JohnKerry/status/1243552337429438464

What a world...

Looks like it worked? Bill is now on Trump’s desk to sign. 

This is the NYC Health Commissioner. This didn't age well. 

https://twitter.com/NY1/status/1225599370067836928

Boris Johnson has it.

posted by justincredible

This is the NYC Health Commissioner. This didn't age well. 

https://twitter.com/NY1/status/1225599370067836928

Yea i saw clips of NY officials telling people to "take the subway", "go out in public".......they were spewing shit like this because Trump made the travel ban and they had to go full tard.

posted by O-Trap

How do you mean?  Like those who got a flu shot are less susceptible to it somehow?

I doubt that, if only because this virus isn't a flu strain, but I might be misunderstanding what you mean.

THis virus is interacting in the environment unlike others.  It kills some while others have zero symptoms.  Something has to be giving people an advantage.  

posted by justincredible

This is the NYC Health Commissioner. This didn't age well. 

https://twitter.com/NY1/status/1225599370067836928

Ouch.

posted by Spock

not taxable on the front end.....but back end, I bet they 1099 your ass as income next year.

No sir.

posted by Spock

THis virus is interacting in the environment unlike others.  It kills some while others have zero symptoms.  Something has to be giving people an advantage.  

Oh, I agree.  I just doubt the difference is a flu vaccine, since this isn't influenza.  I had read somewhere that there seemed to be differences based on blood type.  Not sure how substantial that is, but it's possible.

posted by O-Trap

Oh, I agree.  I just doubt the difference is a flu vaccine, since this isn't influenza.  I had read somewhere that there seemed to be differences based on blood type.  Not sure how substantial that is, but it's possible.

There's a whole host of complicating factors, many of which the "average American" is guilty of at least one, and if it's multiple factors you might struggle with it:

overweight, lack of exercise, pre-diabetes, over 60, asthma, other chronic respiratory disease, smokers...and other things can weaken your immune system like bad diet, alcohol, lack of proper rest

You sort of start thinking "just let me get this and get it over with" but then you realize 15% of people get knocked on their ass bad enough to go to the hospital even if they can expect a full recovery.  Although I don't know if the trigger is that you feel worse than the flu so much as the difficulty breathing forces you to the hospital.

posted by ptown_trojans_1

Yeah, the lack of more defined numbers is frustrating. I also like this Fivethirtyeight article about the wide range of cases and deaths

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/experts-say-the-coronavirus-outlook-has-worsened-but-the-trajectory-is-still-unclear/

I do like this Johns Hopkins map of total cases, deaths, and most importantly people recovered. 

https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map.html

I think we are all hearing all these new cases and deaths. I think right now as a country, we are tracking like 1-2% mortality rate. That is pretty damn good all things considered. 

I would appreciate a total number breakdown as follows:

• Total number of active cases 
• Total number of hospital cases 
• Total number of ICU cases 
• Total deaths
• Total number of hospital cases that have recovered 
• Total number of ICU cases that have recovered 
• All that data broken down into state and if possible county and city and how it changes over time. 

I think that breakdown, if possible, may be the case way we can understand how this going. 

Yep.

And tracking another stat:  the negative test results, which have been running around 90%.

posted by gut

There's a whole host of complicating factors, many of which the "average American" is guilty of at least one, and if it's multiple factors you might struggle with it:

overweight, lack of exercise, pre-diabetes, over 60, asthma, other chronic respiratory disease, smokers...and other things can weaken your immune system like bad diet, alcohol, lack of proper rest

You sort of start thinking "just let me get this and get it over with" but then you realize 15% of people get knocked on their ass bad enough to go to the hospital even if they can expect a full recovery.  Although I don't know if the trigger is that you feel worse than the flu so much as the difficulty breathing forces you to the hospital.

And then this happens:

https://www.foxnews.com/health/perfectly-healthy-texas-dad-with-coronavirus-dies

Maybe the guy had some underlying issue he and his family did not know about ??

posted by QuakerOats

Maybe the guy had some underlying issue he and his family did not know about ??

Or maybe he waited too long to go to the hospital.  It's not a hard and fast rule, some young people die unexpectedly from the flu every year.  Just because the vast majority have multiple factors doesn't mean people with no factors are invulnerable.

Also, at 44 many men have not had regular doctor checkups and are just entering a stage of life where complications are developing.  He could have had undiagnosed heart disease, or diabetes, or any number of things.  Or he was just really unlucky - there's always the 0.0001% who's immune system just unexpectedly gets overrun by this or the flu, etc.

As sad as it seems, perfectly healthy folks die every day. Some for no reason they ever find out, some with a common flu.

Its sad, but it happens.