posted by BR1986FB

Well here's a ray of sunshine in this shitty Browns news week...

Amazing news!! Jim Donovan is returning to the radio booth for this Sunday's game against Pittsburgh!

📰» https://t.co/NmNE1T8SRl pic.twitter.com/qZkfQAuFtB

— Cleveland Browns (@Browns) November 16, 2023

That is great to hear!  He’s the absolute best at what he does  

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/revisiting-deshaun-watson-trade-two-years-later-texans-fleece-browns-by-capitalizing-on-major-draft-capital/

posted by Al Bundy

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/revisiting-deshaun-watson-trade-two-years-later-texans-fleece-browns-by-capitalizing-on-major-draft-capital/

Dude, just go root for Buffalo already. We get it. You're probably wearing Baker Mayfield boxer shorts.

posted by BR1986FB

Dude, just go root for Buffalo already. We get it. You're probably wearing Baker Mayfield boxer shorts.

I'm a bigger Browns fan than you are. You admitted that quit watching the game last week. You just have a huge lack of football knowledge. These trades where you give up three #1's for a player never work. I never said a word about wanting Baker. 

posted by Al Bundy

I'm a bigger Browns fan than you are. You admitted that quit watching the game last week. You just have a huge lack of football knowledge. These trades where you give up three #1's for a player never work. I never said a word about wanting Baker. 

Derp, "my dad's bigger than your dad!!!" We GET your agenda regarding Watson. It's tired and played out. Nobody's happy about this current situation but apparently you think that dead horse will continue dying over & over if you keep beating it.

The #Browns are hosting a QB workout this morning, and sources say former Super Bowl MVP and #Ravens QB Joe Flacco is among them. Flacco last played for the #Jets and has kept his mind open about a return.

With Deshaun Watson’s injury, adding a practice squad player is likely. pic.twitter.com/93hx9LAsBC

— Ian Rapoport (@RapSheet) November 17, 2023

posted by BR1986FB

Derp, "my dad's bigger than your dad!!!" We GET your agenda regarding Watson. It's tired and played out. Nobody's happy about this current situation but apparently you think that dead horse will continue dying over & over if you keep beating it.

I don't have an agenda. I root for the Browns every week. I hope that Watson can turn his career around, but this horrible move is going to handicap the franchise for the rest of the decade. I root for the team, not any individual. I'm not sure why you are too stupid to understand this.

posted by Al Bundy

I don't have an agenda. I root for the Browns every week. I hope that Watson can turn his career around, but this horrible move is going to handicap the franchise for the rest of the decade. I root for the team, not any individual. I'm not sure why you are too stupid to understand this.

That's not the impression you're giving. All you do is harp on the Watson trade. Hindsight and "I told ya so's" aren't going to change it.

It hasn't handicapped them yet, but somehow its going to be a disaster for the rest of the decade? Ignoring that the last 3 games healthy (and apparently, not even healthy) Watson was a Top-10 at worst QB in the league? 

I just don't get it. We have 1 more year without the picks, and aside from the media narrative of wanting the Browns to feel remorse and Watson to fail, he has been objectively good and the Browns have built a great team around him despite a lack of picks. 

I will listen to arguments of them missing the window, as the line and really most of the offense is getting up there in age. But that is regardless of anything regarding Watson and the trade. And if you make that argument, I will counter that the only way to mitigate that type of thing is to have a franchise QB who can make up for issues during rebuilding years. Well, thats exactly what the Browns went out and got. As I have said 100 times, it may not work out. But we KNOW it wasnt working out with Baker -- and we know it hadnt worked out for the previous 22 years. So you take the swing. And they are more than halfway thru the rough part (no picks) with a 6-3 record and a lighter schedule coming in. The cap hits are nothing if Watson of the last 3 games returns and I also have a ton of faith in Berry minimizing that type of hit and reworking stuff. 

posted by Laley23

It hasn't handicapped them yet, but somehow its going to be a disaster for the rest of the decade? Ignoring that the last 3 games healthy (and apparently, not even healthy) Watson was a Top-10 at worst QB in the league? 

I just don't get it. We have 1 more year without the picks, and aside from the media narrative of wanting the Browns to feel remorse and Watson to fail, he has been objectively good and the Browns have built a great team around him despite a lack of picks. 

I will listen to arguments of them missing the window, as the line and really most of the offense is getting up there in age. But that is regardless of anything regarding Watson and the trade. And if you make that argument, I will counter that the only way to mitigate that type of thing is to have a franchise QB who can make up for issues during rebuilding years. Well, thats exactly what the Browns went out and got. As I have said 100 times, it may not work out. But we KNOW it wasnt working out with Baker -- and we know it hadnt worked out for the previous 22 years. So you take the swing. And they are more than halfway thru the rough part (no picks) with a 6-3 record and a lighter schedule coming in. The cap hits are nothing if Watson of the last 3 games returns and I also have a ton of faith in Berry minimizing that type of hit and reworking stuff. 

The most frustrating part is, despite the Watson bashers, it looks like he was starting to find his stride heading down the home stretch. If he was playing like he did against Pittsburgh in the first meeting, the words "Super Bowl contender" wouldn't be coming from me, but he was starting to click, leading up to the injury.

This signing isn't going to "handicap" them. There are 3 other teams (Panthers, Saints & Falcons) who wanted him and are in much worse shape than the Browns. Even with all the BS that's gone on I'd bet they still wish they had him.

Completely agree with your one comment about "swinging for the fences." For as much crap as he takes, I'm glad they have an owner like Haslam who will at least try, unlike the Dolan's.

Burrow gone for the season. 

posted by Laley23

It hasn't handicapped them yet, but somehow its going to be a disaster for the rest of the decade? Ignoring that the last 3 games healthy (and apparently, not even healthy) Watson was a Top-10 at worst QB in the league? 

I just don't get it. We have 1 more year without the picks, and aside from the media narrative of wanting the Browns to feel remorse and Watson to fail, he has been objectively good and the Browns have built a great team around him despite a lack of picks. 

I will listen to arguments of them missing the window, as the line and really most of the offense is getting up there in age. But that is regardless of anything regarding Watson and the trade. And if you make that argument, I will counter that the only way to mitigate that type of thing is to have a franchise QB who can make up for issues during rebuilding years. Well, thats exactly what the Browns went out and got. As I have said 100 times, it may not work out. But we KNOW it wasnt working out with Baker -- and we know it hadnt worked out for the previous 22 years. So you take the swing. And they are more than halfway thru the rough part (no picks) with a 6-3 record and a lighter schedule coming in. The cap hits are nothing if Watson of the last 3 games returns and I also have a ton of faith in Berry minimizing that type of hit and reworking stuff. 

Losing the first round picks from 2022-2024 hurts the team for probably 8-10 years. They gave up the future core of the team. Watson has been below average. That is a fact! They would be in the same position with any average QB and would still have more players. They made a mistake. I am still rooting for Watson, Wills, or any other evaluation mistake that we made. It's not Watson's fault that we gave up or too much for him or are trying to force this team to become a passing team when they are better built to be a running team. He was at his best in the second half on Sunday when he was just asked to be a game manager who doesn't turn over the ball. I know that we are stuck with him for at least 3 more years, so hopefully he can turn his career around.

We just disagree with him being below average. 

ESPN Countdown did a really good piece on David Njoku’s burn accident. Very interesting. He came out very well. Good dude. Hannah Storm did the story and she had the same thing happen to her years back.

Nice being up. Gonna be a battle. 

10-0 was fun. 53 yards in the 2nd half.

13-10 fun too. So stressful.

Didn’t love that Stefanski just shut it down. And the timeout usage was awful, but hey, 7-3. I’m booking my room at the Cosmo later tonight!

7-3 is great. Go Browns!

Always nice to beat the Steelers. 

Happy for DTR. 

Hopefully the D can keep working on that not giving up huge yardage TD’s thing. 

Was expecting a win but not for it to be this close. Tomlin/Canada screwed the pooch going away from giving the rock to Warren later in the game. I get the comparisons to Austin Ekeler.

Would like to see Stefanski give DTR a shot to throw it downfield to open up this running game.

As Browns fans, we need to hope that the Pittsburgh front office never realizes the turd they drafted in Pickett and wallow in mediocrity for the next 5-7 years with him under center. DTR's played two games and I wouldn't take Pickett over him right now. The Giants QB, Danny Devito, has more multiple TD passing games in his short career than Pickett has in his.

Games will be rough with DTR under center but there are 5 very winnable games (Denver, Rams, Bears, Jets and Burrow-less Bengals) left on the schedule. They should get to 10-11 wins after today.

And Garrett should be the DPOY as of now. Got hosed out of a safety on the Steelers first offensive play but that may have been a blessing in disguise as the Ford TD run likely doesn't happen.

posted by BR1986FB

Was expecting a win but not for it to be this close. Tomlin/Canada screwed the pooch going away from giving the rock to Warren later in the game. I get the comparisons to Austin Ekeler.

Would like to see Stefanski give DTR a shot to throw it downfield to open up this running game.

As Browns fans, we need to hope that the Pittsburgh front office never realizes the turd they drafted in Pickett and wallow in mediocrity for the next 5-7 years with him under center. DTR's played two games and I wouldn't take Pickett over him right now. The Giants QB, Danny Devito, has more multiple TD passing games in his short career than Pickett has in his.

Games will be rough with DTR under center but there are 5 very winnable games (Denver, Rams, Bears, Jets and Burrow-less Bengals) left on the schedule. They should get to 10-11 wins after today.

And Garrett should be the DPOY as of now. Got hosed out of a safety on the Steelers first offensive play but that may have been a blessing in disguise as the Ford TD run likely doesn't happen.

I’m not saying he’s good or has beyond top 20 potential….but FFS pressure is on immediately and Canada is balls. Receivers last in separation last year….and while Stroud is better, he’s protected better by his line, OC keeps him in great places and receivers actually get open. I’m not sure what QB comes in what Pittsburgh has on offense from the play calling to the talent and has this team 8-2. Mahomes about it, maybe

Former Super Bowl MVP Joe Flacco will sign with the #Browns practice squad tomorrow morning, source said. After a solid workout, the ex-#Ravens and #Jets QB will serve as a backstop for the Cleveland QB room. pic.twitter.com/CWnLocRhVx

— Ian Rapoport (@RapSheet) November 20, 2023

posted by Ironman92

I’m not saying he’s good or has beyond top 20 potential….but FFS pressure is on immediately and Canada is balls. Receivers last in separation last year….and while Stroud is better, he’s protected better by his line, OC keeps him in great places and receivers actually get open. I’m not sure what QB comes in what Pittsburgh has on offense from the play calling to the talent and has this team 8-2. Mahomes about it, maybe

Pittsburgh is too proud of a franchise, and I frankly don't care what they do as long as they wallow in misery, but they should go into rebuild mode. The Najee Harris (Trent Richardson 2.0) and Pickett draft picks look like busts. They still have pieces on defense but that D really isn't that good. You made mention of their receivers. Pickens & Freiermuth (when healthy) are solid pieces but Diontae Johnson is expendable. O-Line still a work in progress.

posted by BR1986FB

Pittsburgh is too proud of a franchise, and I frankly don't care what they do as long as they wallow in misery, but they should go into rebuild mode. The Najee Harris (Trent Richardson 2.0) and Pickett draft picks look like busts. They still have pieces on defense but that D really isn't that good. You made mention of their receivers. Pickens & Freiermuth (when healthy) are solid pieces but Diontae Johnson is expendable. O-Line still a work in progress.

Defense is solid but need Fitzpatrick in the defensive backfield