posted by like_that

Waste of money like every investigation. 

Maybe.  Finding nothing would be a good result, but I think those questions need explored.  Even if it was just overreach, that's a very serious problem when you are talking about investigating a duly elected POTUS.  The DOJ has a credibility problem.  Comey, directly and indirectly, had a major impact on two elections.  We need to know it's not going to happen again, and that DOJ people didn't abuse their power [primarily because they didn't like an election result].

I really haven't seen anything that justified a lengthy and ongoing investigation into the Trump campaign.  That aspect of it seems like it should have been over quietly and quickly, so we need to know why it wasn't.

posted by CenterBHSFan

Could also be smoke for some mirrors?

Well, if there wasn't a lot of smoke, I'm not sure Dems would be trying to hard to discredit Barr.  And this isn't exactly new - Nunez and Gowdy have been telling us this stuff for well over a year....but they understandably needed to wait for Mueller to finish.

Something else that stood out to me from the Barr hearing.  Kamala Harris asked if Trump had ordered Barr to investigate anyone.  Suggest?  Imply?  And I couldn't understand what that had to do with the Mueller report.  But it's actually quite obvious what she was doing - Barr is a lackey on a witch hunt ordered by POTUS.

Dems knew this was coming, as everyone really should have.  And they're building the narrative that this is political, that it's payback.  For that to work, you have to destroy Barr's reputation and credibility.

There is so much evidence I would hope that it is a slam dunk and indictments can issue before year-end.  It would be best to have the full, clear picture of EXACTLY what happened in 2016/’17 in front of everyone going into the ’20 election year.

Obviously the dems do not want this because Barr may well indeed have ability and evidence to destroy them prior to the election.  Although it is the dems that will have actually destroyed themselves with their shocking abuse of powers under the obama administration.

Rosenstein’s speech yesterday was a pretty good salvo over the bow of where this is headed ……… a lot of people are in serious trouble, and well they should be.

I think the IG report which is imminent will certainly shed a fair amount of light as well.

posted by QuakerOats

 

Obviously the dems do not want this because Barr may well indeed have ability and evidence to destroy them prior to the election.  Although it is the dems that will have actually destroyed themselves with their shocking abuse of powers under the obama administration.

 

Well I think the dems that are currently running for office could easily distance themselves from whatever the Obama administration could have possibly done or didn't do. 
"I do not agree with what happened, I would never have done that. You can expect better from me going forward!"

And what is their front-runner Biden going to say:

A – I didn’t know we were illegally spying, even though I was the vice-president.

B – I knew we were spying on the opposition’s campaign team and then the Trump administration.

Lose/lose

This is all a good distraction thread to avoid the tariff stories I guess lol

I have no problems with the tariffs; neither do most.

I do have problems with illegal spying on innocent Americans by those abusing power, as do most.  Justice forthcoming hopefully.

posted by geeblock

This is all a good distraction thread to avoid the tariff stories I guess lol

Start the convo over in the Disgusted With Trump thread if you want to discuss it. People will join in.

posted by geeblock

This is all a good distraction thread to avoid the tariff stories I guess lol

Shhh, let the site flatscans have their tinfoil conspiracy theory thread. Keeps them occupied, so they don't accidentally set themselves on fire or something.

posted by geeblock

This is all a good distraction thread to avoid the tariff stories I guess lol

It was being discussed.  In fact you had the opportunity to add to the convo, except you decided to get butt hurt and tell me fuck you.  A day later you decided to bring up Obama's tan suit LOL. Once again other than quaker, your narrative is proven to be bullshit.

https://ohiochatter.com/forum/politics/whats-outraging-you-today?page=46

Who goes down first?  My sense is it will be Comey, then Clapper, Brennen, McCabe, Strzok, Paige, Ohr, Simpson et.al. 

posted by QuakerOats

Who goes down first?  My sense is it will be Comey, then Clapper, Brennen, McCabe, Strzok, Paige, Ohr, Simpson et.al. 

My guess is there will be just enough cover and plausible deniability that no one is charged.

Eventually I expect it to become a story of "yeah, potentially/probably over-reached....but that's because the risks of not knowing were so great".  It's exactly the sort of abuse we are supposed to be protected from, but they'll justify it as needed oversight of the Adminstration.  In other words, not a violation of an individual's rights, but a needed investigation of the Office of the President.

No Wonder Obama Intel Chiefs Panicking - Trump To Declassify "Bucket 5" Russiagate Docs

As Congressional Democrats insist on conducting post-Mueller probes into President Trump and those around him, much of the recent infighting and backpedaling we've seen from former Obama intel chiefs is starting to make sense. 

Appearing with Fox News's Sean Hannity Tuesday night, The Hill's John Solomon revealed that according to his sources (and Hannity's as well), President Trump will begin declassifying 'Russiagate' documents in the next 6-7 days. 

Among those will be the so-called "Bucket Five" - documents which were originally presented to the Gang of Eight in 2016, which included everything the FBI and DOJ used against Trump campaign aide Carter Page - including the FISA surveillance application and its underlying exculpatory intelligence documents which the FISA court may have never seen. 

And as 'Sundance' of the Conservative Treehouse notes, the release would presumably include the transcripts from FBI wiretaps of George Papadopoulos, who was listed in the Carter Page FISA. Also noted by CT is that declassification would be on target to occur between Trump's upcoming state visit to Japan (5/25 - 5/28) and his state visit with the UK (6/3 - 6/5). 

No-one really knows the extent of the current documents and/or information that may be subject to a Trump declassification request.  However, this is the original list as outlined in September 2018, and the agencies who would be involved in the declassification process:

1. All versions of the Carter Page FISA applications (DOJ) (DoS) (FBI) (ODNI).
2. All of the Bruce Ohr 302’s filled out by the FBI. (FBI) (ODNI)
3. All of Bruce Ohr’s emails (FBI) (DOJ) (CIA) (ODNI), and supportive documents and material provided by Bruce Ohr to the FBI. (FBI)
4. All relevant documents pertaining to the supportive material within the FISA application. (FBI) (DOJ-NSD ) (DoS) (CIA) (DNI) (NSA) (ODNI);
5. All intelligence documents that were presented to the Gang of Eight in 2016 that pertain to the FISA application used against U.S. person Carter Page; including all exculpatory intelligence documents that may not have been presented to the FISA Court. (CIA) (FBI) (DOJ) (ODNI) (DoS) (NSA)
6. All unredacted text messages and email content between Lisa Page and Peter Strzok on all devices. (FBI) (DOJ) (DOJ-NSD) (ODNI)
7. The originating CIA “EC” or two-page electronic communication from former CIA Director John Brennan to FBI Director James Comey that started Operation Crossfire Hurricane in July 2016. (CIA) (FBI) (ODNI)

♦ President Trump can prove the July 31st, 2016, Crossfire Hurricane counterintelligence operation originated from a scheme within the intelligence apparatus by exposing the preceding CIA operation that created the originating “Electronic Communication” memo. Declassify that two-page “EC” document that Brennan gave to Comey.  [The trail is found within the Weissmann report and the use of Alexander Downer – SEE HERE]

♦ Release and declassify all of the Comey memos that document the investigative steps taken by the FBI as an outcome of the operation coordinated by CIA Director John Brennan in early 2016.  [The trail was memorialized by James Comey – SEE HERE]

♦ Reveal the November 2015 through April 2016 FISA-702 search query abuse by declassifying the April 2017 court opinion written by FISC Presiding Judge Rosemary Collyer. Show the FBI contractors behind the 85% fraudulent search queries. [Crowdstrike? Fusion-GPS? Nellie Ohr? Daniel Richman?]  This was a weaponized surveillance and domestic political spying operation. [The trail was laid down in specific detail by Judge Collyer – SEE HERE]

♦ Subpoena former DOJ-NSD (National Security Division) head John Carlin, or haul him in front of a grand jury, and get his testimony about why he hid the abuse from the FISA court in October 2016; why the DOJ-NSD rushed the Carter Page application to beat NSA Director Admiral Mike Rogers to the FISA court; and why Carlin quit immediately thereafter.

♦ Prove the Carter Page FISA application (October 2016) was fraudulent and based on deceptions to the FISA Court. Declassify the entire document, and release the transcripts of those who signed the application(s); and/or depose those who have not yet testified. The creation of the Steele Dossier was the cover-up operation. [SEE HERE]

♦ Release all of the Lisa Page and Peter Strzok text messages without redactions. Let sunlight pour in on the actual conversation(s) that were taking place when Crossfire Hurricane (July ’16) and the FISA Application (Oct ’16) were taking place.  The current redactions were made by the people who weaponized the intelligence system for political surveillance and spy operation.  This is why Page and Strzok texts are redacted!

♦ Release all of Bruce Ohr 302’s, FBI notes from interviews and debriefing sessions, and other relevant documents associated with the interviews of Bruce Ohr and his internal communications. Including exculpatory evidence that Bruce Ohr may have shared with FBI Agent Joseph Pientka. [And get a deposition from this Pientka fella] Bruce Ohr is the courier, carrying information from those outside to those on the inside.

♦ Release the August 2nd, 2017, two-page scope memo provided by DAG Rod Rosenstein to special counsel Robert Mueller to advance the fraudulent Trump investigation, and initiate the more purposeful obstruction of justice investigation. Also Release the October 20th, 2017, second scope memo recently discovered.  The Scope Memos are keys to unlocking the underlying spy/surveillance cover-up. [SEE HERE and SEE HERE]

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-05-22/no-wonder-obama-intel-chiefs-panicking-trumps-about-declassify-bucket-5-russiagate

Looking forward to indictments for non-fake criminal activity.

And the declassification has been ordered …….let the chips fall where they may.  Many have begun to sing, many more will

posted by geeblock

This is all a good distraction thread to avoid the tariff stories I guess lol

I know it's hard for you, but most intelligent adults can discuss two ideas at the same time.  

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019/07/11/even-new-york-times-skeptical-of-bill-clintons-jeffrey-epstein-claims/

I guess I will leave this here.  Bill is a dirty man that did a lot of dirty things.

posted by Spock

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019/07/11/even-new-york-times-skeptical-of-bill-clintons-jeffrey-epstein-claims/

 

I guess I will leave this here.  Bill is a dirty man that did a lot of dirty things.

 

 

yep

Funny how the Feds have a treasure trove of stuff on Epstein today......he lives on 71st St. New york........and the power was out the other night.  I am sure his safe and other things wouldnt want to be taken up in a regular search warrant raid.  Got to go in under the cover of darkness to hide the Clinton dirt.

posted by Spock

 Got to go in under the cover of darkness to hide the Clinton dirt.

Normally, by the time you've gotten an indictment you would have already executed multiple warrants, because that tends to give you useful info to get said indictment.  Otherwise, that's a solid theory.

posted by Spock

Funny how the Feds have a treasure trove of stuff on Epstein today......he lives on 71st St. New york........and the power was out the other night.  I am sure his safe and other things wouldnt want to be taken up in a regular search warrant raid.  Got to go in under the cover of darkness to hide the Clinton dirt.

posted by Spock

Funny how the Feds have a treasure trove of stuff on Epstein today......he lives on 71st St. New york........and the power was out the other night.  I am sure his safe and other things wouldnt want to be taken up in a regular search warrant raid.  Got to go in under the cover of darkness to hide the Clinton dirt.

LOL. This is next level conspiracy shit right here. 

posted by justincredible

lol, that was my thought as well.

posted by ptown_trojans_1

LOL. This is next level conspiracy shit right here.

Same people that wired the Twin Towers for demolition.  Deep state has those dudes on speed dial  :)

posted by Spock

Funny how the Feds have a treasure trove of stuff on Epstein today......he lives on 71st St. New york........and the power was out the other night.  I am sure his safe and other things wouldnt want to be taken up in a regular search warrant raid.  Got to go in under the cover of darkness to hide the Clinton dirt.

When are you guys bum rushing Area 51?