posted by gut

Govt has long mandated vaccines for govt workers and public spaces.  It's why vaccines are required before kids can go to school.

Isn't the libertarian view that if other people threaten your liberty, you take up arms?  Well, unvaccinated threaten your life and liberty....but the solution doesn't require shooting them with bullets.

Although it does seem most of the pandemic issues, possibly even the pandemic itself, are due to govt intervention.

Vaccines that have 20 years of research maybe. Kids die from the flu far more than Covid. Yet these dumbass rules have only occurred now. The unvaccinated aren’t threatening anything (I’m vaccinated).

posted by iclfan2

The unvaccinated aren’t threatening anything (I’m vaccinated).

But that's not really true, because as the pandemic continues your health and freedom ARE at risk.  People not getting vaccinated are prolonging the pandemic, which creates more opportunity for the virus to mutate to something worse.

Heck, we're all impacted by the supply chain issues that have resulted.  The anarchist COULD go shoot everyone that threatens his liberty, except he needs those people for the goods and services they provide.  So in that situation, the anarchist would instead force people to get vaccinated.

posted by justincredible

The unvaccinated aren't threatening shit when the vaxxed are getting and spreading it. The vaccine either protects you or it doesn't. But blaming the unvaccinated is horse shit.

Sorry, this is simply incorrect. The odds of me getting a "breakthrough infection" from contact with an un-vaccinated person are several times higher than from a vaccinated person. The idea that the vaccinated are spreading it is technically true, but at a hugely lower rate.

So your vaccine sucks. 

We gonna vaccinate all the mammals that can carry this next?

How likely is someone that has had COVID and recovered likely to get it and spread it again? 

posted by justincredible

We gonna vaccinate all the mammals that can carry this next?

I suspect you aren't quite so anti-science as the above post suggests.

posted by justincredible

So your vaccine sucks. 

This is a post far too ignorant of you.

Probably. 

posted by justincredible

So your vaccine sucks. 

90+% is very good.

If one gets the vaccine specifically because the government says we should, those people are sheep.

If one doesn't get the vaccine specifically because the government says we should, those people are also sheep. In either case, they're reacting to government instead of studying the actual facts.

posted by justincredible

How likely is someone that has had COVID and recovered likely to get it and spread it again? 

Were my first two posts so ingernt that this isn't worthy of a response? Fair enough, if so, but it is a legitimate question.

posted by justincredible

Were my first two posts so ingernt that this isn't worthy of a response? Fair enough, if so, but it is a legitimate question.

Not sure what your point is.  If you had Covid, it seems you're good for at least 12+ months, but no one knows if or when you'd need a vaccine.

Nevertheless, it's an irrelevant deflection as most people refusing the vaccine never had a positive Covid test.

posted by queencitybuckeye

In either case, they're reacting to government instead of studying the actual facts.

posted by queencitybuckeye

True, and that freedom comes with employers being free to require vaccinations. You are free to work there or not.

I am ok with employers CHOOSING to require it.

It’s tyranny for the GOVERNMENT to FORCE companies to require it.

posted by gut

Not sure what your point is.  If you had Covid, it seems you're good for at least 12+ months, but no one knows if or when you'd need a vaccine.

Nevertheless, it's an irrelevant deflection as most people refusing the vaccine never had a positive Covid test.

And how long does the vaccine last?

posted by gut

Govt has long mandated vaccines for govt workers and public spaces.  It's why vaccines are required before kids can go to school.

Isn't the libertarian view that if other people threaten your liberty, you take up arms?  Well, unvaccinated threaten your life and liberty....but the solution doesn't require shooting them with bullets.

Although it does seem most of the pandemic issues, possibly even the pandemic itself, are due to govt intervention.

Unvaccinated don’t threaten me or anyone else.

So your whole argument is wrong since your first assumption is false.

posted by gut

But that's not really true, because as the pandemic continues your health and freedom ARE at risk.  People not getting vaccinated are prolonging the pandemic, which creates more opportunity for the virus to mutate to something worse.

Heck, we're all impacted by the supply chain issues that have resulted.  The anarchist COULD go shoot everyone that threatens his liberty, except he needs those people for the goods and services they provide.  So in that situation, the anarchist would instead force people to get vaccinated.

Did you miss any of the CNN talking points in this horseshit of a post?

posted by queencitybuckeye

Sorry, this is simply incorrect. The odds of me getting a "breakthrough infection" from contact with an un-vaccinated person are several times higher than from a vaccinated person. The idea that the vaccinated are spreading it is technically true, but at a hugely lower rate.

Every study from the most vaccinated countries, like Israel, say you are wrong.

posted by jmog

Unvaccinated don’t threaten me or anyone else.

posted by jmog

Every study from the most vaccinated countries, like Israel, say you are wrong.

As time goes by, I find it harder and harder to believe you are a brilliant guy trained in research and stats.

Either that, or you shitpost on stuff you haven't actually researched.  The above is flat wrong, and easily proven so with Google.

posted by justincredible

I guess my main point is that we DO NOT live in a free country. We live in an authoritarian country with a thin veneer of freedom.

States MUST start reasserting their sovereignty soon or it's going to get a lot worse in a hurry. Basically, neuter the Feds. Let California and New York be as left wing as they want, but keep that shit from infecting every state in the country.

When the government doesnt follow its own laws, there is no freedom, and no representative republic.

posted by jmog

Every study from the most vaccinated countries, like Israel, say you are wrong.

The vaccination rate of Israel and the U.S. are a couple of points apart, and (from cdc.gov):

"The risk for SARS-CoV-2 infection in fully vaccinated people cannot be completely eliminated as long as there is continued community transmission of the virus. Early data suggest infections in fully vaccinated persons are more commonly observed with the Delta variant than with other SARS-CoV-2 variants. However, data show fully vaccinated persons are less likely than unvaccinated persons to acquire SARS-CoV-2, and infections with the Delta variant in fully vaccinated persons are associated with less severe clinical outcomes. Infections with the Delta variant in vaccinated persons potentially have reduced transmissibility than infections in unvaccinated persons, although additional studies are needed."

posted by gut
Yes, they do.  Don't be so obtuse.  You know better.

The fact is I do know, and they don’t.

Every study of every highly vaccinated country backs me up, doesn’t back up your assertion.

posted by gut

As time goes by, I find it harder and harder to believe you are a brilliant guy trained in research and stats.

Either that, or you shitpost on stuff you haven't actually researched.  The above is flat wrong, and easily proven so with Google.

As you spew more of this nonsense I wonder if you even got out of HS.

See, two can play the ad hominem idiotic response game.