posted by ptown_trojans_1

Serious question: Have you actually had a conversation with someone who is Trans/ bi etc.? It sounds like you have not. If I am assuming, then correct me. If you have, you would realize how narrow and wrong that post is. 

I have worked with, and have friends that are trans. I would not classify them as having a mental illness, not at all. They are serious professionals that are engineers/ architects. I think you are just superimposing what you see and read online to the real world. 

I think a lot of posters do that here. Look at something online and think that represents the majority of that community. 

As for the get out of DC, I did. Been just north of Columbus 6 months now. But, even then, my interactions with people in the community has actually been around the country, including Charlotte, Orlando, Richmond, and elsewhere. 

All of this leads me back to my original post in the whole pronouns/ labels thing and it is the golden rule: Treat people the way you want to be treated. I have learned in business and my personal life, that holds true. If someone wants to be a different label, then I respect that and will honor that. Sounds like you should do the same. I also have another rule I live by that I think you should follow: Don't be a dick. 

Is your argument really that they are professionals so they can’t have a mental illness?

Come on, anxiety, depression, anorexia, bulimia, and I could keep going, are all mental illnesses that you can’t tell by looking at someone 90%+ of the time. There are PLENTY of professionals that are able to work through these mental illnesses (my wife being one of them).

Up until just a few years ago transgender was considered to be the same type of mental conditions as anorexia, body integrity disorder, etc that the brain is telling the person that their body doesn’t fit how they “feel”.

There are MANY psychiatrists who don’t agree with the DSM changing it away from being a disorder either.

I am not arguing that it is, but I am also saying that those that still believe that it is are not “crazy” (pun intended).

And this is coming from someone who yes, not only has talked to many transgenders, but my wife and sister are part of the LGTBQ community and the most interesting conversation I have had on theoretical physics to sci-fi I have had in years was with a transgender acquaintance of ours that camp at the same camp ground as us.

posted by jmog

Is your argument really that they are professionals so they can’t have a mental illness?

Come on, anxiety, depression, anorexia, bulimia, and I could keep going, are all mental illnesses that you can’t tell by looking at someone 90%+ of the time. There are PLENTY of professionals that are able to work through these mental illnesses (my wife being one of them).

Up until just a few years ago transgender was considered to be the same type of mental conditions as anorexia, body integrity disorder, etc that the brain is telling the person that their body doesn’t fit how they “feel”.

There are MANY psychiatrists who don’t agree with the DSM changing it away from being a disorder either.

I am not arguing that it is, but I am also saying that those that still believe that it is are not “crazy” (pun intended).

And this is coming from someone who yes, not only has talked to many transgenders, but my wife and sister are part of the LGTBQ community and the most interesting conversation I have had on theoretical physics to sci-fi I have had in years was with a transgender acquaintance of ours that camp at the same camp ground as us.

Not at all. Just that gut was saying those people probably have/ had a mental illness and in my experience they do not. His post infers that he things all people that are Trans or whatever letter have mental illness. To assume they all do is wrong is my point. 

I concur with a lot of your post and that it is a complicated issue. We should all be more respective and understanding with people to assist in those that do have mental illness. 

posted by ptown_trojans_1

Not at all. Just that gut was saying those people probably have/ had a mental illness and in my experience they do not. His post infers that he things all people that are Trans or whatever letter have mental illness.

I believe I said most.  And within the context of people traumatized by someone "assuming their gender", that's probably true.  As JMOG said, gender dysphoria was classified as a mental illness, up until about 5 years ago.

I have a hard enough time remembering someone's name, much less their preferred gender.  If I make a mistake, I'll smile and say "I'm sorry you were offended".  And if I want to be a "dick", as you said, I'll say "I'm sorry, I was referring to your sex, not your gender".

Story in WaPo about some 11-yr old transgender girl that the school wouldn't let tryout for girl's cross-country team.  I don't think an 11-yr old is mature enough or experienced enough to make that choice.  I don't know if she's getting therapy or not, but "choose your own gender" is far from responsible on this issue with pre-teens.

posted by ptown_trojans_1

Not at all. Just that gut was saying those people probably have/ had a mental illness and in my experience they do not. His post infers that he things all people that are Trans or whatever letter have mental illness. To assume they all do is wrong is my point. 

I concur with a lot of your post and that it is a complicated issue. We should all be more respective and understanding with people to assist in those that do have mental illness. 

But here’s the thing, up until just a couple years ago every psychiatrist in the US would diagnose all transgenders with a mental disorder. It was that way in the DSM.

If you think about it logically, their brain is telling them that their body is basically a “lie” or wrong. This is exactly why it was in the same category in the DSM as anorexia. Their brain tells them they are fat even when their body is rail thin.

The DSM changed it from a disorder to “dysphoria” due to some psychological “science” and some political pressure to lessen the stigma.

If they changed depression tomorrow to a non-illness and just called it a “distress” like they do transgender now, that wouldn’t change the problems/issues that someone with depression has to deal with.

The fact remains that transgender people have one of the, if not the highest suicide rates in the world. Higher than depression, it is seriously near 50% (attempted, not necessarily successful).

Studies also show that this suicide rate doesn’t drop even after gender reassignment surgery. So even after their body matches their brain, they are still suicidal on average.

And studies have also already debunked the “it’s because they are bullied” reasoning.  Gays and homosexuals were bullied just as bad for decades and their suicide rates were never near transgender.

There is something there, that they attempt suicide at higher rates than almost any other mental disorder/illness. To say there is no mental issue/problem is just putting our proverbial heads in the sand. 

posted by jmog

But here’s the thing, up until just a couple years ago every psychiatrist in the US would diagnose all transgenders with a mental disorder. It was that way in the DSM.

If you think about it logically, their brain is telling them that their body is basically a “lie” or wrong. This is exactly why it was in the same category in the DSM as anorexia. Their brain tells them they are fat even when their body is rail thin.

The DSM changed it from a disorder to “dysphoria” due to some psychological “science” and some political pressure to lessen the stigma.

If they changed depression tomorrow to a non-illness and just called it a “distress” like they do transgender now, that wouldn’t change the problems/issues that someone with depression has to deal with.

The fact remains that transgender people have one of the, if not the highest suicide rates in the world. Higher than depression, it is seriously near 50% (attempted, not necessarily successful).

Studies also show that this suicide rate doesn’t drop even after gender reassignment surgery. So even after their body matches their brain, they are still suicidal on average.

And studies have also already debunked the “it’s because they are bullied” reasoning.  Gays and homosexuals were bullied just as bad for decades and their suicide rates were never near transgender.

There is something there, that they attempt suicide at higher rates than almost any other mental disorder/illness. To say there is no mental issue/problem is just putting our proverbial heads in the sand. 

It is a mental disorder, and that's why there is such a high suicide rate.  However, Ptown's anecdotal evidence of speaking to a trans coworker supersedes all of that.

She added "Race card" but forgot her pronouns. Inexcusable.

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This person claims to be a professor. 

Your tax rate should be directly correlated with your whiteness.

The whiter you are the more tax you must pay.

That is the only way to encourage interracial relationhsips and interracial reproduction.

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posted by justincredible

This person claims to be a professor. 

Your tax rate should be directly correlated with your whiteness.

The whiter you are the more tax you must pay.

That is the only way to encourage interracial relationhsips and interracial reproduction.

— Mary K. Anstruther (she/her) (@AnstrutherMary) June 8, 2021

If this were enacted, I'd pay much higher taxes in the winter.  I'm white as a sheet from November to April.  I guess I could hit the tanning booth and get my taxes lowered accordingly.

posted by justincredible

This person claims to be a professor. 

Your tax rate should be directly correlated with your whiteness.

The whiter you are the more tax you must pay.

That is the only way to encourage interracial relationhsips and interracial reproduction.

— Mary K. Anstruther (she/her) (@AnstrutherMary) June 8, 2021

There is no way this is not a parody account

posted by justincredible

This person claims to be a professor. 

Your tax rate should be directly correlated with your whiteness.

The whiter you are the more tax you must pay.

That is the only way to encourage interracial relationhsips and interracial reproduction.

— Mary K. Anstruther (she/her) (@AnstrutherMary) June 8, 2021

Can't be a professor .... she used female pronouns

posted by brutus161

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posted by justincredible

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With the humor coming from how, if he'd actually try to pry guns from peoples' hands, he is totes mistaken on who would be the one possessing the dead body.

https://www.foxnews.com/us/virginia-xi-van-fleet-critical-race-theory-china-cultural-revolution-loudoun

Chinese survivor giving Loudoun Co. Virginia board of education a much-deserved history lesson.... incredible that we have arrived at this juncture:  cultural Marxists winning right now...

posted by QuakerOats

https://www.foxnews.com/us/virginia-xi-van-fleet-critical-race-theory-china-cultural-revolution-loudoun

Chinese survivor giving Loudoun Co. Virginia board of education a much-deserved history lesson.... incredible that we have arrived at this juncture:  cultural Marxists winning right now...

One thing I have noticed in a lot of these articles.

Does anyone really know what CRT is and what is exactly being taught in these school districts? 

The article did not really define what exactly the district is doing. It just highlighted the woman's story, which is great. But, the article conflates her story in China with CRT. Are we sure the two are exactly the same? It sounds like the latest buzzword to scare everyone and drum up anger that each sides does all the time. 

posted by ptown_trojans_1

One thing I have noticed in a lot of these articles.

Does anyone really know what CRT is and what is exactly being taught in these school districts? 

The article did not really define what exactly the district is doing. It just highlighted the woman's story, which is great. But, the article conflates her story in China with CRT. Are we sure the two are exactly the same? It sounds like the latest buzzword to scare everyone and drum up anger that each sides does all the time. 

Fair point.  Kind of like when someone questions our unconditional support of Israel and a Nazi camp survivor it trotted out.  

This could have went on the WTF thread too. Only CNN would hire this guy back and then make him talk about it on TV. Cringe. 

posted by ptown_trojans_1

One thing I have noticed in a lot of these articles.

Does anyone really know what CRT is and what is exactly being taught in these school districts? 

The article did not really define what exactly the district is doing. It just highlighted the woman's story, which is great. But, the article conflates her story in China with CRT. Are we sure the two are exactly the same? It sounds like the latest buzzword to scare everyone and drum up anger that each sides does all the time. 

Evolving apparently, whatever the libs want it to be; today I heard it was actually a verb (from a leftist).  They change the meaning of words on a whim. 

Also the losers at the G7 elbow bumping and sitting 6 feet apart though all vaccinated. All the pandering.

Anyone else getting "500 / Server error" when clicking on "Serious Business" forum, and a couple others ?

posted by QuakerOats

Evolving apparently, whatever the libs want it to be; today I heard it was actually a verb (from a leftist).  They change the meaning of words on a whim. 

Way to not answer the question. 

You are reading where some "leftist" talk about it, yet do not know what it actually means in school. Got it. 

Sounds like a typical right wing bullshit talking point to scare people. 

Good one.

https://www.foxnews.com/us/black-mother-slams-critical-race-theory

Going to start getting interesting.

posted by QuakerOats

https://www.foxnews.com/us/black-mother-slams-critical-race-theory

Going to start getting interesting.

The only people who support it are the same people who supported the bullshit 1619 project, and apparently “moderate” ptown.