posted by ptown_trojans_1

The fact that the Secretary of State is removed from the process greatly, and that any and all changes at the County level can be blocked by this state level committee that will be led by partisan Republicans. You keep glossing over that part.  

So, if Fulton County wants to add more voting machines or extend hours, this State level committee, that does not include the Secretary of State, can block that. 

I get how this could be construed as a Republican/racist thing but doesn’t that just mean that in the next election cycle that the governor and legislature switch parties and the democrats are in “control” according to this new law?

posted by ptown_trojans_1

The bolded part is not an issue, according to the Secretary of State of Georgia. There was no fraud in 2020. The law also reduces his own role and turns it over to a Republican partisan committee.  So, again, it tries to tackle problem that does not exist. Widespread fraud does not exist. 

Fraud exists everywhere to some extent.  But a concentrated effort at fraud was instituted in just a few key counties/states that would be enough to take the election, which is part of why over 300 pre-election lawsuits were filed by leftists that included backdoor deals made with, again, a few key election officials, i.e. secretaries of state, in just a few states that swung the election.  There was no time (especially with covid) to challenge, fight, and win all those lawsuits prior to the election, and it had to occur prior to the election.  Tens of millions of voters believe the election was thusly 'stolen'; they are not wrong. 

Hence, we have certain states trying to prevent the raid that occurred in their state, and everyone should champion any changes that go toward limiting fraud and enhancing vote integrity. 

posted by jmog

I get how this could be construed as a Republican/racist thing but doesn’t that just mean that in the next election cycle that the governor and legislature switch parties and the democrats are in “control” according to this new law?

We anxiously await your promised repudiation of geeblock's points. Please wash over us that intelligence you have in such abundance. 

posted by jmog

I get how this could be construed as a Republican/racist thing but doesn’t that just mean that in the next election cycle that the governor and legislature switch parties and the democrats are in “control” according to this new law?

Not arguing it is racist, so not sure why you keep using that. Also, the Ds have the same amount of chance to retake the Georgia Statehouse as Ds have here in Ohio in taking the Statehouse, So, I highly doubt it will happen anytime soon and is a lame excuse. 

posted by QuakerOats

Fraud exists everywhere to some extent.  But a concentrated effort at fraud was instituted in just a few key counties/states that would be enough to take the election, which is part of why over 300 pre-election lawsuits were filed by leftists that included backdoor deals made with, again, a few key election officials, i.e. secretaries of state, in just a few states that swung the election.  There was no time (especially with covid) to challenge, fight, and win all those lawsuits prior to the election, and it had to occur prior to the election.  Tens of millions of voters believe the election was thusly 'stolen'; they are not wrong. 

Hence, we have certain states trying to prevent the raid that occurred in their state, and everyone should champion any changes that go toward limiting fraud and enhancing vote integrity. 

Yes they are. They are very wrong. 

There was no fraud in 2020 that influenced anything. The Georgia Secretary of State has said since November he saw zero! evidence of fraud. Zero. Stop believing the lie that the election was stolen. It was not. 

Stop believing Joe Biden received 80 million legitimate votes.

posted by QuakerOats

Stop believing Joe Biden received 80 million legitimate votes.

If Trump said mud was water, you'd no doubt drink it.

posted by QuakerOats

Stop believing Joe Biden received 80 million legitimate votes.

I think there is more evidence of UFOs and Bigfoot than actual voter fraud last year, but you do you! 

posted by ptown_trojans_1

I think there is more evidence of UFOs and Bigfoot than actual voter fraud last year, but you do you! 

The facts that states like Georgia, counties in Arizona and other places violated election law by destroying ballots and wipping voting machines clean doesn’t count as evidence?

posted by Fletch

The facts that states like Georgia, counties in Arizona and other places violated election law by destroying ballots and wipping voting machines clean doesn’t count as evidence?

Nope. That did not happen. Not according to the court cases and their own departments that oversee the elections. 

posted by ptown_trojans_1

Nope. That did not happen. Not according to the court cases and their own departments that oversee the elections. 

They never heard the cases and refused to see the evidence (or lack of evidence)

posted by Spock

They never heard the cases and refused to see the evidence (or lack of evidence)

Yeah, cause they were dismissed because the evidence was lacking. They were all laughed out of court. 

Fraud did not happen in 2020. Full stop. 

posted by geeblock

1. The law removes the vote of the secretary of the state from the election board, even tho under the ga constitution the Secretary of State oversees elections. It also puts the board under control of the legislature. 

The law does remove the Secretary of State as a voting member.  However your statement that the Georgia constitution grants the Secretary of State the authority to be the "overseer" of elections is misleading.  It only requires that returns be made to the Secretary of State.  The methods and laws governing what votes are accepted or rejected are made by the legislature.  What role the Secretary of State plays before receiving the returns is in the hands of the legislature. I don't have time to read the whole Georgia constitution but the table of contents led me to this:  Article II Section II Paragraph I.  

posted by geeblock

The election board can suspend or remove any local official at anytime and for any reason. If this was the case in November they would have been able to do exactly what DT wanted them illegally to do like firing election officials in dekalb and Fulton counties. Then sending in cronies to say it’s fraud and throw out AA votes. 

It is correct the election board can suspend and remove.  But anytime and for any reason is misleading.  I clicked on the link to the raw text that the average media outlet does not expect the average dupe to click on and most of the rest to immediately flee once laying eyes on it.  Read sections 6&7 it addresses the bolded.  I read a good bit of it and came to my conclusion on the bolded.  They provide nice line numbers if you want to point out where I am wrong.  The rest of your statement is hogwash.

posted by geeblock

You can still vote absentee but it’s now illegal for officials to send applications to every voter. It reduces time to request a ballot and restricts organizations that help people get absentee ballots. It also requires absentee voters to jump through hoops that in person voters don’t. 

They are ending early voting at 5 pm making it harder for people who work to get to the polls after work. It also limits mobile voting units. 

It limits the number of ballot boxes unnecessarily and makes it harder for officials to place new ones. 

The bolded did not exist in Ga law prior to the changes.  Both are the product of state of emergency decisions because of the covid pandemic and would expire post emergency.  The mailing of absentee ballots to every voter was only done in the primary election not the general.   Does it not make sense to create law governing the use of these methods going forward?  The term "limits drop boxes" is used when the law actually solidifies a permanent use of them that did not exist before.  

posted by geeblock

I’m not even going to get in the absurdity of the water/food regulations as I know u can’t provide any reason this was necessary and just kind of ignore it, but if it didn’t matter they wouldn’t do it. 

The reason is partisan operatives use it as an excuse to skirt laws and solicit voters while standing in line.  You can bring your own water.  Poll workers can provide anyone in line with water.  Can you provide any examples of voters dropping out of line because of thirst? 

posted by geeblock

Can all of these things be overcome ? Sure. But in an extremely close election it could certainly matter. Overall as I have said I think it’s going to have the opposite effect and it’s going to cause a rally that has not been seen before to get voters out in GA.

In an extremely close election fraud matters too.  As for the latter part of your statement it negates everything you have said about the Ga law suppressing voters.

posted by Dr Winston O'Boogie

We anxiously await your promised repudiation of geeblock's points. Please wash over us that intelligence you have in such abundance. 

Looks like Majorspark did a fine job.

posted by majorspark
In an extremely close election fraud matters too.  As for the latter part of your statement it negates everything you have said about the Ga law suppressing voters.

I have always said the effects wouldn’t be major. I was merely responding to those who said that Colorado had more stringent laws or as stringent laws as GA. They don’t 

posted by jmog

Looks like Majorspark did a fine job.

U can’t even admit that the Republican legislature believes these laws will benefit them in the next election. 

posted by majorspark
The reason is partisan operatives use it as an excuse to skirt laws and solicit voters while standing in line.  You can bring your own water.  Poll workers can provide anyone in line with water.  Can you provide any examples of voters dropping out of line because of thirst? 

It’s an unnecessary law 

posted by ptown_trojans_1

Yeah, cause they were dismissed because the evidence was lacking. They were all laughed out of court. 

Fraud did not happen in 2020. Full stop. 

100% false.  Helluva batting  average, though

posted by majorspark

Then what do you think about President Biden calling this law worse than Jim Crow?  How sick is it to use the true suppression of African American voting rights as a political tool?  Personally I find it quite disgusting.

The following is a lie told by President Biden quoted from his inaugural address:

 

Politics need not be a raging fire destroying everything in its path.

Every disagreement doesn’t have to be a cause for total war.

And, we must reject a culture in which facts themselves are manipulated and even manufactured.

posted by geeblock

U can’t even admit that the Republican legislature believes these laws will benefit them in the next election. 

How do I know what other people in another state believe unless they outright say it?

Are we mind readers now?

posted by jmog

How do I know what other people in another state believe unless they outright say it?

Are we mind readers now?

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