posted by justincredible

So a Hotel California situation? 

If, say, Texas tried, would violent force be justified to keep them from leaving?

HA. Yeah. I mean it may be possible where maybe 2/3rds of the states vote to allow a state to leave. But, I doubt that would ever happen. 

I think if a state tried to leave without going through that process, I could see violence as an option to keep them in the Union. Then again, Texas wanted to join the Union once it gained its "independence" from Mexico. 

posted by ptown_trojans_1

I guess shouldn't the opinion of the residents and what they want and the residents of Maryland come into play as well? Maryland fully supports DC having their own state and Maryland does not feel it is right to absorb them into their state. Speaking as someone who has lived in DC and MD, that is a widely held opinion. 

It just seems you guys are looking at the small size of DC and holding it against them, instead of the 700k people that live in the District and basically saying sorry it is not right for you guys to have full representation like all the other states even though we ask you to do everything else a citizen must do. 

No city is it's own state, sure, but they would still have more people than 2 other states. 

DC was originally part of Maryland (at least the part of DC left as DC).

DC becoming a state vs reintegrating into Maryland is about as asinine as Cleveland ceding from Ohio to become their own state. 

Maryland is already left leaning, this would get them another couple seats in the HoR and they would be democratic seats. Maryland not wanting DC doesn’t make sense from a political standpoint.

posted by ptown_trojans_1

Yeah. That does not match with how much DC has grown since the founding. The idea was to just have a section for the working of the federal government. The DC statehood bill does that. It just takes that rest of the area and makes it its own state. Also, if we live in a democracy, which I think we still do, the fact that a wide majority of people living in DC want to be a state as well as a majority of people in MD and VA do not want to add them to their states is evidence they should be a state. 

Why don't we need another state? Is 50 just the right number now forever? Is there no way any other territory could become a state in your view? We just hit 50 states in 1949, and this is the longest in the country's history we have gone without adding a new state. 

The people feeding off the public trough in DC need no more clout - period.

posted by ptown_trojans_1

HA. Yeah. I mean it may be possible where maybe 2/3rds of the states vote to allow a state to leave. But, I doubt that would ever happen. 

I think if a state tried to leave without going through that process, I could see violence as an option to keep them in the Union. Then again, Texas wanted to join the Union once it gained its "independence" from Mexico. 

posted by Spock
If California wanted to leave......I bet it would happen.

Let the coastal counties go - fuck 'em; the rest of the state can carry on as a conservative stronghold.

This is why I like the idea of Jefferson. Sacramento does not represent NorCal. Let the conservative counties of Oregon join them and create a new state. I bet it'd actually vote in some libertarians. But, of course, liberals HATE the idea of Jefferson and conservatives HATE the idea of DC statehood so we're all held hostage by political parties that don't give a flying f*ck about anything that doesn't push their re-election.

It's all bullshit.

posted by SportsAndLady

Haha imagine living in a city/state/territory, and wanting to pass a bill. And someone from outside your city/state/territory says “no, you shouldn’t get this. You chose to live there”

Unreal logic 

I lived downtown for 7 years and still pay taxes there.  I have seen enough to jump on the “fuck making them a state” bandwagon.

posted by ptown_trojans_1

Yeah...the people of MD do not want that. By a wiiiide margin. 

Aren’t you a MD resident? How do you feel about this?

posted by ptown_trojans_1

The size does not matter. Again, DC has more people than Wyoming and Vermont. Also, yes they have a local government, but have zero say so on any matters that happen within DC. Congress controls and dictates nearly everything in DC, yet DC has zero say so in the matter. 

The people are pushing it because it is about getting representation for 700k people. It is the literal reason we left England. The feds can tax DC, but they cannot voice their opinion on the matter. 

Also, sure they know they do not have the right to have Reps in Congress when a person moves here, but does that make it right or fair? What if you have to move here for a job from out of state and need to be near the office in DC? What then, you just don't have the right to voice your vote in Congress? Sorry, tough. It is dumb. 

It’s not about size, yet you’re entire post and argument is about size....

Also if you’re argument is about population you know DC is pretty fickle.  It’s not beyond imagination that many people can move out to the bordering states and significantly reduce DC’s population. It has happened before. Or (I hope to god) the Government significantly reduces it’s scope. In that case you would also see a drop. The bubble is going to burst in DC with how expensive housing is.

posted by justincredible

This is why I like the idea of Jefferson. Sacramento does not represent NorCal. Let the conservative counties of Oregon join them and create a new state. I bet it'd actually vote in some libertarians. But, of course, liberals HATE the idea of Jefferson and conservatives HATE the idea of DC statehood so we're all held hostage by political parties that don't give a flying f*ck about anything that doesn't push their re-election.

It's all bullshit.

This is exactly why the majority of  DC statehood supporters are full of shit. If you’re not ok with other areas of the country (like California) carving up their own representation, then you’re most likely full of shit. Ptown to be fair is the first guy I’ve seen support DC statehood and somewhat other states carving up their own representation. He’s the exception to the rule.

I’ll support DC statehood when other disenfranchised populations can do the same thing.

posted by like_that

I lived downtown for 7 years and still pay taxes there.  I have seen enough to jump on the “fuck making them a state” bandwagon.

I don’t even have an opinion on DC statehood, and don’t care what others think about it. But the logic of “those people chose to live there, they shouldn’t be able to pass a bill” is just terrible. Especially when it’s very obvious why republicans don’t want DC statehood. 

posted by SportsAndLady

I don’t even have an opinion on DC statehood, and don’t care what others think about it. But the logic of “those people chose to live there, they shouldn’t be able to pass a bill” is just terrible. Especially when it’s very obvious why republicans don’t want DC statehood. 

Works both ways, there's exactly one reason why the left wants it.

posted by queencitybuckeye

Works both ways, there's exactly one reason why the left wants it.

And that’s fine. But both sides making up excuses why it shouldn’t happen when all they have to say is “we don’t want more/less blue representation in the senate”

posted by SportsAndLady

And that’s fine. But both sides making up excuses why it shouldn’t happen when all they have to say is “we don’t want more/less blue representation in the senate”

Lindsey Graham said this in a Republican press conference.

https://www.counton2.com/news/south-carolina-news/senator-lindsey-graham-challenger-jaime-harrison-comment-on-dc-statehood/

Graham claims that the move would “dilute SC’s say in the United States Senate,” as he assumes both senators from DC would be Democrats, thus ‘canceling out’ the votes of the two Republican senators from SC.

posted by majorspark

Lindsey Graham said this in a Republican press conference.

https://www.counton2.com/news/south-carolina-news/senator-lindsey-graham-challenger-jaime-harrison-comment-on-dc-statehood/

Graham claims that the move would “dilute SC’s say in the United States Senate,” as he assumes both senators from DC would be Democrats, thus ‘canceling out’ the votes of the two Republican senators from SC.

Yup

posted by justincredible

This is why I like the idea of Jefferson. Sacramento does not represent NorCal. Let the conservative counties of Oregon join them and create a new state. I bet it'd actually vote in some libertarians. But, of course, liberals HATE the idea of Jefferson and conservatives HATE the idea of DC statehood so we're all held hostage by political parties that don't give a flying f*ck about anything that doesn't push their re-election.

It's all bullshit.

And we have Quaker here to prove that point. Adamant that it'd be great to separate Cali in order to have a new conservative state and just as adamant that DC shouldn't become a state. Blind "ONLY IF IT BENEFITS MUH PARTY!!!!" partisanship is the worst thing existing in our country.

Lol trying to cancel Mt Rushmore now, what a time to be alive

https://www.breitbart.com/economy/2020/07/06/dakota-pipeline-shutdown/

A Federal judge legislating from the bench in an election year is what this is.

Watching the behavior of the so-called "progressives" in these last 6 months, I'm convinced that it's just the short way of saying "fucking bolsheviks".

Change my mind!

While I've been away for a handful of months, it's kinda nice and comfortable to see the lefties trying their best to gaslight after all this time. Damn! 

posted by Heretic

And we have Quaker here to prove that point. Adamant that it'd be great to separate Cali in order to have a new conservative state and just as adamant that DC shouldn't become a state. Blind "ONLY IF IT BENEFITS MUH PARTY!!!!" partisanship is the worst thing existing in our country.

DC should NEVER be a state as long as the federal government is seated there.  That was all by (brilliant) design, incidentally.  If they want to be a state, then all the federal agencies need to be relocated across the country, frankly that should occur regardless.  There is no way to get effective fair administration of federal government by centering it in the DC bureaucratic echo chamber, and then on top of that, awarding them with congressional representation equal to that of all states with the federal govt.  BS; time to decentralize.   The Department of the Interior would do quite well in Colorado or Wyoming .... The Department of Agriculture would do quite well in Iowa or Nebraska .... and on and on ...  The concentration of power in a DC state is a no go.

posted by QuakerOats

DC should NEVER be a state as long as the federal government is seated there.  That was all by (brilliant) design, incidentally.  If they want to be a state, then all the federal agencies need to be relocated across the country, frankly that should occur regardless.  There is no way to get effective fair administration of federal government by centering it in the DC bureaucratic echo chamber, and then on top of that, awarding them with congressional representation equal to that of all states with the federal govt.  BS; time to decentralize.   The Department of the Interior would do quite well in Colorado or Wyoming .... The Department of Agriculture would do quite well in Iowa or Nebraska .... and on and on ...  The concentration of power in a DC state is a no go.

i like it

LMAO, this article hits all the dog whistles.  Just in case you think she could have possibly been accidentally snubbed, they make sure you know those fucking rednecks discriminate against her for wearing a mask!

Yep, all the way at the end of paragraph 6 the school says it was policy not to mention graduates not in attendance.

Holy crap, it goes on talking about how hurt she is and how often she's been discriminated against - wait for it - but the students are actually all home schooled!  Wow, what a piece of crap this article is.  HuffPo, I know, still funny.

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/high-school-graduation-coronavirus-alabama_n_5f1aec30c5b6296fbf41b323

posted by gut

LMAO, this article hits all the dog whistles.  Just in case you think she could have possibly been accidentally snubbed, they make sure you know those fucking rednecks discriminate against her for wearing a mask!

Yep, all the way at the end of paragraph 6 the school says it was policy not to mention graduates not in attendance.

Holy crap, it goes on talking about how hurt she is and how often she's been discriminated against - wait for it - but the students are actually all home schooled!  Wow, what a piece of crap this article is.  HuffPo, I know, still funny.

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/high-school-graduation-coronavirus-alabama_n_5f1aec30c5b6296fbf41b323

They also got the latest Woke spelling. The mother is described as "Black" with a capital 'B', and she's married to a man who is "white" with a small 'w'. 

Great lesson here - if you want to see racism everywhere, don't take any personal responsibility for anything.  Just keep searching and you'll be sure to find it. 

posted by Dr Winston O'Boogie

They also got the latest Woke spelling. The mother is described as "Black" with a capital 'B', and she's married to a man who is "white" with a small 'w'.

Great lesson here - if you want to see racism everywhere, don't take any personal responsibility for anything.  Just keep searching and you'll be sure to find it. 

Haha, missed the capital B.

LOL, the writer got all fired up to print a story about racism from that backwater Alabama, and then after the story completely falls apart decides to run with it anyway.