posted by geeblockI would be fine with an exception for those who enlist
So a very responsible and law-abiding person has a heart defect isn't allowed to own a weapon until they are 21, but some dumbass that has never got caught can get one after high school when they enlist?
posted by queencitybuckeyeIt's probably too small a sample size to be statistically significant, but I've never heard of a shooting in a school with such a program.
im on the fence with it..i feel like its one of those things that sounds good on paper, but its starting to seem more and more that when there is an actual person with an AR-15 people really start to think about if they want to go home to their family.
posted by AutomatikI said impossible. Break down 2A if necessary. I don’t give a fuck. We aren’t talking about muskets anymore.
Does the 4th amendment apply to cell phones? If your answer is yes then your post is ignorant. The amendments transcend technology.
What’s your suggestion?
posted by Laley231. Required 30 min mental health sessions starting in 5th grade. Every school has at least 1 professional talking to these kids weekly. If they miss 30 min of a class, they miss 30 min of a class. Bigger schools obviously need to have more than 1. Mental health and feeling worthy in life, etc are the main issues with troubled individuals. Starting them talking with professionals -- without the stigma of outside help, because the entire nation does it -- early on in life would hopefully help. Kids will still pick on someone and you will get made fun of, but venting every week would go a long way to coping with issues. It would also be a direct line to a professional seeing signs early and taking precautions.
Distant 2. Assault Rifle and Semi Automatic weapons ban - it wont happen overnight, but eventually over time you will severely limit the amount that are in the areas where the mass shootings seem to happen.
You realize your #2 would ban nearly every gun (like 80%) out there? Most rifles and handguns are semi-automatic now.
posted by Laley23Sorry, I misspoke. I don't mind the semi-automatic (self loading). But I want 1 bullet per trigger pull to come out. I'd also be in favor of making the magazines smaller, require more reloads.
What weapon are you talking about that shoots more than 1 bullet per trigger pull? Because even these “evil” AR-15s are a single bullet per trigger pull.
You can not own any weapon that has more than a single bullet per trigger pull (3 round bursts or automatic) without going through an exhaustively long (6-12 months) extensive background check and paying a ton of money (like $10,000) for the gun through the tax stamp program (same program for a suppressor/silencer).
And you have to go through that process for each and every gun you want with those capabilities.
No one is buying a gun from a dealer that shoots more than 1 bullet per trigger pull.
posted by Laley23Yeah, I am not sure. But they shouldn't be legal, so lets make them illegal.
Automatic weapons are, unless you go through the tax stamp process which takes months and months of background checks.
You can’t go to a store and buy an automatic weapon.
posted by AutomatikWhat’s your suggestion?
Protect the schools. No reason the kid got right in, no reason the cops took 40 min to go into the building knowing he was in there. We use guns to protect everything we consider important, banks, politicians, etc. why not our children?
Have silent alarms in schools like banks that when a gunman blows his way into the locked door someone would hit an alarm that alerts both the on duty officer at the school and the local police as well as any teachers who are carrying CCW.
posted by jmogProtect the schools. No reason the kid got right in, no reason the cops took 40 min to go into the building knowing he was in there. We use guns to protect everything we consider important, banks, politicians, etc. why not our children?
Have silent alarms in schools like banks that when a gunman blows his way into the locked door someone would hit an alarm that alerts both the on duty officer at the school and the local police as well as any teachers who are carrying CCW.
That makes sense for schools. I'd agree with those as long as any CCW person is properly trained on a safety course. Some states are doing away with that requirement.
How about for churches and soft targets like grocery stores like in Buffafo?
posted by geeblockthe high school i graduated from has armed teachers
Didn't Ohio disallow this?
posted by ernest_t_bassDidn't Ohio disallow this?
im pretty sure they have guns, because when i went to a basketball game last year they had signs up saying the teachers were armed, but idk if they changed it since then
I am sick and fucking tired of all these age restriction laws
Draw a fucking line
If it’s 21, you must be 21 to vote, marry, sign contracts, and join the military
If it’s 18 you need to be able to purchase alcohol, medical cannabis, and assault rifles
And don’t you dare charge a 15 year old as an adult for a crime.
I personally think it should be 18. We as a society do a poor job educating our youth for the real world. You should be able to understand enough to do taxes, do contracts, balance a checkbook fire a gun if you want to and do a simple living budget. These are not just a teachers job. It is every body’s job.
Unfortunately, freedom is never free and people want the gubmit to take care of all their problems and send the the bill to somebody else
posted by ptown_trojans_1That makes sense for schools. I'd agree with those as long as any CCW person is properly trained on a safety course. Some states are doing away with that requirement.
How about for churches and soft targets like grocery stores like in Buffafo?
Take away the “no gun” zones. Notice nearly all places like this have no guns allowed posted outside.
I hate this stuff. There are no definite answers while many things could or can help….nothing will ever eliminate psycho people from doing these type of things.
Schools will now spend insane $$$ and teachers will be required all the training that we’ve been doing for a decade+.
I would like stricter gun laws. I think it’s crazy anyone needs those type of guns. Nearly every male in the area of my school owns a gun, mostly several….I doubt any of them have an AR rifle like they always use in these mass murders.
Our doors have been locked for 10 years, bullet proof everything for non employees to enter before entering the actual building. Used to have 6 carriers, now we have none but assume that will return. I honestly feel it’s about 100x more likely one of those 6 accidentally shoots the gun opposed to someone entering and shooting purposely. If every staff member carried a gun a crazy person could still easily wipe out a dozen+ students after school on way to the buses or even easier at recess. Maybe we could stop them at 12 victims opposed to 20 but both are beyond horrific.
My genie wish to end this? Every toddler and young child with a dad that’s not a POS….or hell two moms will work just fine too! None of these psychos have good parents.
There also aren’t anywhere near enough counselors. 10 years ago I don’t think 10 kids in my school of 400 needed a counselor. That number pushes 50-60 now.
posted by jmogTake away the “no gun” zones. Notice nearly all places like this have no guns allowed posted outside.
Ok, so you believe in the good guy with a gun rational?
Any thoughts on assisting with mental health or restricting any firearms?
Seems like you are advocating more reactive measures, and not too many proactive or preventative measures.
Yeah man, kids are different these days. I was briefly dating a public school psych from around Parker, CO.
The stories she would tell blew my mind, most of them heartbreaking.
My main issue is people not willing to try anything. Like, what we are doing/what is in place is clearly not working.
As a country, we make changes to laws all the time. We interpret the Constitution/BOR different all the time and have Supreme Court Justices change how stuff is interpreted all the time. It's beyond time to try something, anything to curb the use of these guns in mass shootings. I have no clue if it will work, but I frankly don't care if it borders on infringing on 2A. We have passed so many laws that impact so many other rights and we all go on living unaffected and no one seems to care.
Many of the suggestions on here are good. What I cannot understand is why this happens here so often and rarely if never in other developed countries. I don't believe most of those places have armed guards and armed teachers. Do we have way more psychopaths? If so, why is that?
I personally do not understand the love of guns here, but I accept that this is a deeply held value in our culture and not likely to change. It is an obvious difference between the US and most everywhere else. I would love for every gun except single shot shotguns to be outlawed, but I know that will likely never happen. So in the meantime, I have to ask what else is different that make this problem so much more prevalent in the US. For that, I have no answers.
posted by ernest_t_bassJustin - do you have any proposed solutions yourself? We're going to get people from all over the spectrum, and I'm curious how someone with your stances proposes a solution to a more than obvious problem.
It all stems from societal rot, IMO. This isn't fixed with more government, more laws, etc. You can legislate until you're blue in the face but it isn't going to fix the root of the problem. It's only going to get worse going forward as far as I'm concerned.
Also, a reminder that the Va Tech massacre was committed with 9mm and .22 handguns. Much easier to conceal pea shooters like that, too.
posted by geeblockim pretty sure they have guns, because when i went to a basketball game last year they had signs up saying the teachers were armed, but idk if they changed it since then
It's recent legislation, to my understanding.
Justin is right its the acceleration of societal rot. My elementary thru high school years mostly during the 70's and 80's. No ban on semi auto scarry looking weapons. No locked doors. No metal detectors. No ID badges. Nearly everyone had access to guns. The only thing anyone was worried about getting shot with was a spit wad. The only guns smuggled into school were squirt guns usually on the last day because well no chance of after school detention.
Holy crap, just reading about the Uvalde police lack of response to the active shooter. Mind boggling. Had the border agents not shown up, who knows how many more would have died.
posted by majorsparkJustin is right its the acceleration of societal rot. My elementary thru high school years mostly during the 70's and 80's. No ban on semi auto scarry looking weapons. No locked doors. No metal detectors. No ID badges. Nearly everyone had access to guns. The only thing anyone was worried about getting shot with was a spit wad. The only guns smuggled into school were squirt guns usually on the last day because well no chance of after school detention.
I don't buy this socieatal rot. I came of age the same time you did, so I understand what you're saying. But in many parts of the US, crime was much higher in those years than now. It is difficult to reconcile that with societal rot. Also, many of the changes in society in the years since have happened in other countries as well, yet they are not dealing with these situations like we are.