posted by superman

We're now back to the question. If I buy you a history book, will you get someone to read it to you? 

I get the point you've been making for several posts.  I don't think Wounded Knee is relevant to this issue we're talking about today.  If you do, fine.  

posted by jmog

Wait, so you don’t believe government massacres tend to follow governments confiscating citizens weapons?

Come on, I hope that is a joke.

I never suggested a thing about confiscation of guns.  I suggested licensing as a possibility.  You made the leap from that. 

posted by Dr Winston O'Boogie

I never suggested a thing about confiscation of guns.  I suggested licensing as a possibility.  You made the leap from that. 

You said multiple times in this thread that all semiautomatic weapons should be banned.

posted by superman

You said multiple times in this thread that all semiautomatic weapons should be banned.

My own personal opinion is that I wished they weren't available.  But I also acknowledge that is not a reasonable thing for a large portion of our population, so it should not be part of the discussion.  It's one of those issues where I concede that a lot of people have a different stance and so I have to accept that it's part of things.    

posted by Dr Winston O'Boogie

My own personal opinion is that I wished they weren't available.  But I also acknowledge that is not a reasonable thing for a large portion of our population, so it should not be part of the discussion.  It's one of those issues where I concede that a lot of people have a different stance and so I have to accept that it's part of things.    

So you never suggested a thing about it except for the times you suggested it? 

posted by jmog

Huge flaw in your thinking…

1. Strengthening the defense of the schools does not trample anyone’s rights and has the probability of stopping a good percentage of school shooters.

2. Making a gun have a 10 day wait period will stop 1 out of a 100 as the other 99 were planned for weeks/months. And this idea does trample law abiding citizens 2A rights.

You don’t create a law that will reduce someone’s rights that will have a negligible effect just to say you had to do something. 

Show me data that most of these are people who buy their gun and immediately go on a rampage and I would 100% agree that a wait period will help.

Don’t just say “well we have to do something”. Back your idea with actual data.

The data says most of these shootings are preplanned and not same day madmen. Prove me wrong.

I don’t think any one anywhere is saying they are same day madmen. But if it stops 1 in 100 I’m fine with that. The hospital shooter the other day did purchase his weapon the same day so it does happen.

As for protecting schools it’s a huge flaw in your thinking that it can be done successfully. But I support all ideas to do so 

posted by superman

So you never suggested a thing about it except for the times you suggested it? 

I said I know it isn't an option, so there's not point in putting it forth.  

posted by queencitybuckeye

Sandy Hook was not done by the owner of the gun.

I am sure that every person shot in Chicago was done by someone who didnt "own" the gun.

Lets just throw the actual gun owner in jail when this happens.  You have a legally purchased gun and it is used in a crime, you get all the punishment

posted by Fletch

I am sure that every person shot in Chicago was done by someone who didnt "own" the gun.

Lets just throw the actual gun owner in jail when this happens.  You have a legally purchased gun and it is used in a crime, you get all the punishment

Just pointing out that your prior post was wrong. OTOH, it only had two language errors that I noticed, so nice job!

posted by geeblock

As for protecting schools it’s a huge flaw in your thinking that it can be done successfully.

posted by superman
What is your source on this? You keep saying it can't be done but you don't have any supporting evidence. In fact, the evidence says the opposite.  These shootings don't happen at inner city schools with bars on the windows and  metal detectors.  

Ive worked 27 years in the inner city. Most don’t have bars or metal detectors. (Zero bars or detectors in my district). We also average about one gun per week inside the building. (That we find)We have 55,000 students. The bars and metal detectors aren’t the reason it doesn’t happen in inner city schools imo. There are just too many buildings and too much movement to possibly hire enough people is why I say that. It may work in smaller environments. Our district Probly ranks somewhere in the 90’s in enrollment,  there are much larger. But as I’ve stated several times I would support all efforts to increase security, I just don’t think it should be the only thing that gets done. 

posted by geeblock

Ive worked 27 years in the inner city. Most don’t have bars or metal detectors. (Zero bars or detectors in my district). We also average about one gun per week inside the building. (That we find)We have 55,000 students. The bars and metal detectors aren’t the reason it doesn’t happen in inner city schools imo. There are just too many buildings and too much movement to possibly hire enough people is why I say that. It may work in smaller environments. Our district Probly ranks somewhere in the 90’s in enrollment,  there are much larger. But as I’ve stated several times I would support all efforts to increase security, I just don’t think it should be the only thing that gets done. 

Reread what I said.  I said that these shootings don't happen at schools with bars on the windows and metal detectors.  Sounds like your school should invest in a metal detector.  

posted by geeblock

But as I’ve stated several times I would support all efforts to increase security, I just don’t think it should be the only thing that gets done. 

posted by superman

Reread what I said.  I said that these shootings don't happen at schools with bars on the windows and metal detectors.  Sounds like your school should invest in a metal detector.  

I read what you said and replied that I don’t think that is the reason shootings don’t happen there 

As jmog said 50 times these things are planned months in advance. There is no way you could provide enough protection for th amount of students involved. Too many holes. I do agree it could stop a shooting from being a large number like 100. 

posted by geeblock

You don’t know what could happen in let’s say a 15 day waiting period. A shooter could get a new job, meet a girl, find out about a concert he wants to attend in a few months, get killed in a car accident, their parents could find out and report them , others who may want to run out and get a gun may cool off during the two weeks. Who know what could happen but something could. Your not really saying how it hurts anyone to wait two weeks to get your gun 

Your logic assumes that every person that is legally purchasing a gun has the motive to commit murder. This is simply not the case for 99% of people who legally purchase a gun.  Also, other than it’s an infringement on 2A rights, flip your logic about that 15 day waiting period.  In those 15 days, a gun could save someone’s own life, save someone else’s life, save someone from rape, save from theft, etc. 

posted by Dr Winston O'Boogie

I get the point you've been making for several posts.  I don't think Wounded Knee is relevant to this issue we're talking about today.  If you do, fine.  

You still haven't answered my question.  

https://fee.org/articles/the-federal-government-s-own-study-concluded-its-ban-on-assault-weapons-didnt-reduce-gun-violence/

posted by superman

You still haven't answered my question.  

I missed it.  What was your question?

posted by Dr Winston O'Boogie

I missed it.  What was your question?

If someone bought you a history book, would you find somebody to read it to you? 

posted by superman

If someone bought you a history book, would you find somebody to read it to you? 

As riotously funny as that is, I didn't take it seriously.  

i know the story of Wounded Knee.  I think it is irrelevant to mass shootings today.  You don't.  Fine, on that we just disagree.  

posted by Dr Winston O'Boogie

As riotously funny as that is, I didn't take it seriously.  

i know the story of Wounded Knee.  I think it is irrelevant to mass shootings today.  You don't.  Fine, on that we just disagree.  

You've made several posts that make it seem as if you trust the government.  It leads one to wonder if you've ever studied history.

posted by superman

You've made several posts that make it seem as if you trust the government.  It leads one to wonder if you've ever studied history.

I don’t believe school children in the US are in danger of mass murder by the government.  

Locked doors and single entry worked at this Alabama school.

https://www.usnews.com/news/us/articles/2022-06-09/person-killed-in-police-shooting-outside-alabama-school

If I’m not mistaken every school in the United States has locked doors and a single entry. All the ones in and around Columbus do that I know of and I’m in a lot of them