posted by ptown_trojans_1

Not hearing a lot of solutions there jmog, just a lot of excuses and trying to make yourself sound smart. 

One cannot deny the AR style weapons are used in most high profile mass shootings. Putting a restriction or delay on how to purchase them is a sensible solution.

The AR-15 is used in most high profile mass shootings or the media has an agenda and stops covering mass shootings when they realize an AR 15 wasn't used.

Meanwhile, 1000+ kids have died from fentanyl overdoses each of the last two years. 

But the national debate is about whether a ban on "AR-style weapons of war" might save a few dozen lives....

posted by gut

Meanwhile, 1000+ kids have died from fentanyl overdoses each of the last two years. 

But the national debate is about whether a ban on "AR-style weapons of war" might save a few dozen lives....

I’ve already brought it up. News cases are all they care about. Drugs, no bails, no gun task forces… it’s pretend to care but not actually. And they have no response. Other than “do something”.

posted by iclfan2

I’ve already brought it up. News cases are all they care about. Drugs, no bails, no gun task forces… it’s pretend to care but not actually. And they have no response. Other than “do something”.

I'm with you.  No one wants to touch the fentanyl issue because there's no convenient placebo like banning "weapons of war".

And if the Dems do get their AR ban, again, and it doesn't move the needle, again, they'll just claim it wasn't comprehensive enough and demagogue Repubs for blocking useless "solutions".

posted by gut

Meanwhile, 1000+ kids have died from fentanyl overdoses each of the last two years. 

But the national debate is about whether a ban on "AR-style weapons of war" might save a few dozen lives....

It’s not an either/or thing.  There are a lot of tragic things that go on in the world.  One can care about multiple issues.  As a society, there is something particularly egregious about mass murder of little children in a school.  It doesn’t mean people don’t care about drug deaths.  

posted by Dr Winston O'Boogie

It’s not an either/or thing.  There are a lot of tragic things that go on in the world.  One can care about multiple issues.  As a society, there is something particularly egregious about mass murder of little children in a school.  It doesn’t mean people don’t care about drug deaths.  

You can care about multiple issues, but their voting patterns and what they stand for seem to disagree. It seems odd that only “high profile” news stories is all that matters. 

posted by Dr Winston O'Boogie

It’s not an either/or thing.  There are a lot of tragic things that go on in the world.  One can care about multiple issues.  As a society, there is something particularly egregious about mass murder of little children in a school.  It doesn’t mean people don’t care about drug deaths.  

Those imprisoned make this distinction.  If you are in prison for doing bad things to little children you are not going to do well.  

People who see politicians running to the microphone for what we all see as political exploitation in these cases find it particularly loathsome as well.

Drug users choose to put a substance in their body.  Unless its suicide by gun the bullet entering the body is involuntary so you can see why people are indifferent with voluntary actions.

Just a grain of salt drug abuse weakens people, firearms empower people.  Something to keep in mind when discerning the motives of a politician. 

posted by Dr Winston O'Boogie

It’s not an either/or thing.  There are a lot of tragic things that go on in the world.  One can care about multiple issues.

Yes it is.  That's the reality in a world of finite resources.

One can care about multiple issues, but one would likely choose to focus resources where it can make the most difference.

This is not about loss of life.  Be honest.  It's about the shock and horror and trauma of the event.  An emotional, rather than logical, response.

posted by gut

Yes it is.  That's the reality in a world of finite resources.

One can care about multiple issues, but one would likely choose to focus resources where it can make the most difference.

This is not about loss of life.  Be honest.  It's about the shock and horror and trauma of the event.  An emotional, rather than logical, response.

I disagree that it’s either/or.  It is about the shock and horror too - you’re right about that.  It’s why 9/11 is still remembered vividly.  I understand my child’s chances of being the victim of a school shooter is remote compared to other things.  However the randomness and unpredictability of it make it vivid to us as a society.  I would call it the principle of the matter.

Kids are being killed and you are bringing up drug addicts dying as some reason why we shouldn’t do anything. 

posted by geeblock

Kids are being killed and you are bringing up drug addicts dying as some reason why we shouldn’t do anything. 

Do you think more kids die in a year from school shootings or drug overdoses?  You do know that kids die that aren’t drug addicts, correct? So why don’t you care about them? 

Regardless of everything else, this police department hired and was run by a bunch of fucks.

The hero mom also says law enforcement warned her against telling her story publicly with a threat of jail time for violating her probation. Speaking to the media is ‘obstruction of justice’ they said. A judge shortened her probation instead, because of her heroic actions. https://t.co/wKBeiliuuC

— Brendan Keefe (@BrendanKeefe) June 4, 2022

posted by geeblock

Kids are being killed and you are bringing up drug addicts dying as some reason why we shouldn’t do anything. 

That’s 1/2 a step better than ptowns BS “you must be ok with kids being mowed down”, so congratulations on that I guess.

posted by Dr Winston O'Boogie

However the randomness and unpredictability of it make it vivid to us as a society.  I would call it the principle of the matter.

Accidents happen.  A shooting is not an "accident", but it is equally random.  But, again, there are many causes of death of children that are random, and many are controllable to varying degrees yet get little attention.  So why the extreme focus on gun deaths? I'd suggest it's not the shock or vividness but the politics.

Taking guns or banning guns would likely take decades to have an impact, if at all, and that requires a very dubious assumption that these wackos don't get guns illegally on the black market.  I think you should ask yourself why Democrats aren't pounding the table to harden schools and keep the shooters from getting access in the first place.  Again, the most practical solution is a long way from gun control and mental health because those are key Democrat agendas.

posted by geeblock

Kids are being killed and you are bringing up drug addicts dying as some reason why we shouldn’t do anything. 

For like the 50th time, no one is saying not to do anything.  In fact, the "banning guns are useless crowd" have offered more solutions than you and others.  But all you hear is "banning guns won't do anything" and then your brain shuts down.  Frankly, that's the sort of attitude and discourse that got Trump elected.

Also, a lot of kids are dying from fentanyl that aren't drug "addicts", just experimental.  In many cases, they don't even know what they're taking is laced with fentanyl.  Unless you live in a cave, you might also know fentanyl is so powerful that second-hand exposure can be fatal

posted by Dr Winston O'Boogie

I would call it the principle of the matter.

posted by gut

Accidents happen.  A shooting is not an "accident", but it is equally random.  But, again, there are many causes of death of children that are random, and many are controllable to varying degrees yet get little attention.  So why the extreme focus on gun deaths? I'd suggest it's not the shock or vividness but the politics.

Taking guns or banning guns would likely take decades to have an impact, if at all, and that requires a very dubious assumption that these wackos don't get guns illegally on the black market.  I think you should ask yourself why Democrats aren't pounding the table to harden schools and keep the shooters from getting access in the first place.  Again, the most practical solution is a long way from gun control and mental health because those are key Democrat agendas.

A guy coming into a classroom and murdering a bunch of little kids is horrifying regardless of someone’s politics.  Both parties of these idiots use this stuff.

posted by gut

For like the 50th time, no one is saying not to do anything.  In fact, the "banning guns are useless crowd" have offered more solutions than you and others.  But all you hear is "banning guns won't do anything" and then your brain shuts down.  Frankly, that's the sort of attitude and discourse that got Trump elected.

Also, a lot of kids are dying from fentanyl that aren't drug "addicts", just experimental.  In many cases, they don't even know what they're taking is laced with fentanyl.  Unless you live in a cave, you might also know fentanyl is so powerful that second-hand exposure can be fatal

He somehow works in education and is clueless. 

But literally u are saying don’t do anything. Like wtf does drug addicts dying have to do with school shootings. Jmog u keep saying that no one is allowed to say u don’t care but literally people in this thread are saying there is a threshold of shootings that is just part of life and we haven’t met a number they aren’t comfortable with. 

posted by gut

For like the 50th time, no one is saying not to do anything.  In fact, the "banning guns are useless crowd" have offered more solutions than you and others.  But all you hear is "banning guns won't do anything" and then your brain shuts down.  Frankly, that's the sort of attitude and discourse that got Trump elected.

Also, a lot of kids are dying from fentanyl that aren't drug "addicts", just experimental.  In many cases, they don't even know what they're taking is laced with fentanyl.  Unless you live in a cave, you might also know fentanyl is so powerful that second-hand exposure can be fatal

This is like the biggest who the fuck cares whataboutism there is.. why not keep bringing up fast food or any other what about. It’s a lot of words to just say you are against gun control and  call it a day 

It’s literally ok to just say u are against gun control without listing the 99 other ways people die 

Most of the people in this thread have given the answer of improved school security.  For some reason you don't want that. 

posted by geeblock

But literally u are saying don’t do anything. Like wtf does drug addicts dying have to do with school shootings. Jmog u keep saying that no one is allowed to say u don’t care but literally people in this thread are saying there is a threshold of shootings that is just part of life and we haven’t met a number they aren’t comfortable with. 

Care to point out where someone gave a threshold of acceptable child deaths in this thread?

If not just more BS hyperbole.

Someone give one law that will prevent these type of planned school shootings in the USA, and all of us will back it. 

Banning AR’s wouldn’t even do it as there are a 100 hunting rifles that fire higher caliber bullets, at the same rate of fire, as an AR.

3 day waiting periods won’t as 99% of these are planned out attacks and they had the weapons for weeks/months before the shootings.

So stop with the bullshit hyperbole that those of us that like the 2A just want kids to die…and give an actual workable solution.

posted by geeblock

 It’s a lot of words to just say you are against gun control and  call it a day 

You're using a lot of words to say you're clueless and have no solutions.  And, LOL, way to validate my point about how you read gun control isn't a solution and then your brain shuts off. 

And I've said more than a few times I don't oppose gun control, I oppose ineffective and useless solutions.  I don't even own a gun, and have only fired one literally once in my life.  But I'm also not a lemming.

If the arguments are too nuanced and complex for you to process, then perhaps you should just tap out and stop embarrassing yourself.  Even the dodgeball teacher is dunking on you.

posted by jmog

So stop with the bullshit hyperbole that those of us that like the 2A just want kids to die…and give an actual workable solution.

I don't even consider myself pro-2A.  But I'm a practical realist.  Just like I am pro-life, but feel anti-abortion laws aren't effective or equitable. 

What I want and what makes sense are not always aligned.  But "sense" is absent from the Democrat's emotionally-driven platform.