Dr Winston O'Boogie
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Dr Winston O'Boogie
Senior Member
I think Gut's "divided gov't" point is accurate. A divided executive/house/senate is a good way to prevent either of these two from doing much damage.
I think Gut's "divided gov't" point is accurate. A divided executive/house/senate is a good way to prevent either of these two from doing much damage.
posted by HereticOne of those things where it'll be interesting to see if those eroding fanbases leads to some other candidate/party getting momentum or if it just leads to general apathy and an all-time low in voting.
I agree with all that, however many people will still turn out to vote viewing it as "their duty" and most of them don't even consider a 3rd party candidate, even if they are better aligned with their views.
The only 3rd party candidate in recent times to get any real traction was Ross Perot. I think he got nearly 20% of the popular vote one year, but he accomplished that by buying prime time spots to speak directly to the voters.
The fact the Libertarian Party couldn't get ANY traction in 2016 or 2020 proves that party is going nowhere without a significant change in leadership and strategy.
Ditto for No Labels. Although Manchin or Kennedy may do better than the Libertarians due to name recognition, but No Labels still isn't in the game having not picked a candidate. And if Biden and Trump decide not to debate - which looks like a real possibility - that's even less opportunity for a 3rd party (which the DNC and RNC have colluded to keep 3rd parties off the stage, anyway).
The real problem might be the Dems and Repubs control basically all the major media, and I think that's been key to maintaining the 2-party status quo.
posted by Dr Winston O'BoogieI think Gut's "divided gov't" point is accurate. A divided executive/house/senate is a good way to prevent either of these two from doing much damage.
The other problem is people keep voting for the shitty incumbents in the House and Senate despite horrendous approval ratings solely so "their team" can keep control.
You refuse to vote for the other party then fine, but for goodness sakes vote in the primary and get rid of the deadbeats. And in many districts it's not even competitive with the election effectively taking place in the primary.
posted by Dr Winston O'BoogieI think Gut's "divided gov't" point is accurate. A divided executive/house/senate is a good way to prevent either of these two from doing much damage.
Gridlock is always the way to go.
posted by like_thatGridlock is always the way to go.
I'm hoping for a restoration of the full SALT deductions, so I'm for about anything EXCEPT Republicans controlling all 3.
posted by like_thatWell, we need to wait for Ptown's take on this one. For years he has told us that Biden's health is in perfect condition and it was a figment of our imagination that Biden's cognitive abilities were sinking exponentially.
If he confirms that this is no longer the case with Biden's health, then we can start talking about a replacement.
Adding this article for context on how quickly age no longer became a factor for presidential candidates (take note of the age of McCain at this time and Biden's age now): https://www.politico.com/story/2008/05/mccains-age-is-a-legitimate-issue-010529
Agreed. Ptown has called us names for years for saying he has dementia. We need to wait for his analysis.
posted by like_thatGridlock is always the way to go.
It helps, but most of the damage is coming from the administrative state and a massive immovable bureaucracy. With an 'R' in the WH, it helps greatly in keeping agencies off the backs of the people and business.
posted by like_thatGridlock is always the way to go.
It's not ideal, but it's better than an elderly man with memory problems or a cult of personality narcissist making impactful choices.
Old does not equal dementia.
Good see this board are still experts in dementia and practicing doctors on the subject.
One can say someone is too old to be President and not think they have dementia.
I know that blows some people's mind on here.
posted by like_thatGridlock is always the way to go.
Gridlock does nothing to solve the debt, immigration, defense budget, or any other issue you seem to care about.
posted by ptown_trojans_1Gridlock does nothing to solve the debt, immigration, defense budget, or any other issue you seem to care about.
Doesn't solve those things, I agree.
But it also doesn't keep piling on more and more. Sometimes stasis has to be relied on.
You don't have to be a doctor to be well educated about medical problems. You don't have to be able to order CTs or MRIs or schedule appointments with other specialists from big university hospitals.
But you CAN look at the images, have them explained to you, be told and shown the differences between plaques and tangles, poor over leading books on the subject, go to support groups with others that have to deal with the same thing, learn how to pick people up from the floor, witness the incremental decline and lapses of speech, the staring off, the slack jaw, the incontinence, changes in personality and how to prepare for sundowning, etc. Right up to the point where somebody no longer knows who her daughter is.
One doesn't need to be an artist to know art.
And it's interesting because we were all told that all we had to do was "just talk to them". Interesting that that was the antidote when it suited you, Ptown. But when it doesn't suit you, one has to be a doctor.
You're full of shit.
posted by ptown_trojans_1Gridlock does nothing to solve the debt, immigration, defense budget, or any other issue you seem to care about.
I will take an up or down vote on any one of those issues in singularity. Problem is other shit gets attached that is worse. Then politicians run to the cameras and say you don't care about what you say you care about. Until that changes as said gridlock is always the way to go.
posted by ptown_trojans_1
Old does not equal dementia.
Good see this board are still experts in dementia and practicing doctors on the subject.
One can say someone is too old to be President and not think they have dementia.
I know that blows some people's mind on here.
Quite genius of Biden to play the demented old man to avoid cupability.
posted by ptown_trojans_1Gridlock does nothing to solve the debt, immigration, defense budget, or any other issue you seem to care about.
The alternative hasn’t resolved any of that either.
posted by CenterBHSFanYou don't have to be a doctor to be well educated about medical problems. You don't have to be able to order CTs or MRIs or schedule appointments with other specialists from big university hospitals.
But you CAN look at the images, have them explained to you, be told and shown the differences between plaques and tangles, poor over leading books on the subject, go to support groups with others that have to deal with the same thing, learn how to pick people up from the floor, witness the incremental decline and lapses of speech, the staring off, the slack jaw, the incontinence, changes in personality and how to prepare for sundowning, etc. Right up to the point where somebody no longer knows who her daughter is.
One doesn't need to be an artist to know art.
And it's interesting because we were all told that all we had to do was "just talk to them". Interesting that that was the antidote when it suited you, Ptown. But when it doesn't suit you, one has to be a doctor.
You're full of shit.
If one of ptowns friends or coworkers are showing signs of a heat stroke, hopefully his other colleagues/friends are around to do something. We all know he won’t do anything without a doctor around.
Reminder that Ptown is the same guy that will trust anonymous sources and unverified reports if it suits his narrative, yet we need violate HIPAA in order to declare that there is something wrong with Biden.
posted by ptown_trojans_1
Old does not equal dementia.
Good see this board are still experts in dementia and practicing doctors on the subject.
One can say someone is too old to be President and not think they have dementia.
I know that blows some people's mind on here.
And there it is.
Have you never had a close relative with dementia or Alzheimer’s?
All of us that have understand the difference between someone just being old and someone who is severely compromised by the disease.
Did you not read the report?
posted by ptown_trojans_1
Old does not equal dementia
You are correct, however, what is not in serious debate is that beyond a certain age, one's mental faculties decline. I know it first-hand and I'm quite a bit younger than Mr. Biden. The POTUS should be someone at the top of their mental game.
He forgot when his son died. That's a long-term, prominent event.
But just old age. Joe is fine, according to Dr. Ptown.
posted by jmogHave you never had a close relative with dementia or Alzheimer’s??
He probably has. But it's a lot easier to ignore that to pretend Joe just has the occasional memory lapse.
Ptown may be a "moderate", but he's a MAGA-level defender of the Dems.
While I would agree that regular people lacking in medical training might not be qualified to use their observations (or anecdotal evidence) to say an old person's memory lapses are a sign of dementia/Alzheimer's, I would say that, especially when talking about a leader's capacity to rule, the eye test just might be more important than it would be in determining whether Trump or Biden would be the best Wal-Mart greeter.
And when one of the two front-runners to be our next president (who happens to be our current president) is an 80+ year old man who seems to struggle with naming current world leaders as opposed to deceased former ones and kinda, sorta has an oops about when his own kid died, that's an issue. As is it when his projected opponent, who would be his current age in four years, confuses Nikki Haley with Nancy Pelosi, thinks Jeb Bush was the architect of the former military action against Iraq and feels the key to us beating the Brits in the Revolutionary War involved controlling airports.
But, hey! That's our country; where ancient fucks stay in office until they're dead (Feinstein), even if they occasionally lapse into comas while talking (McConnell), because we're too stupid to actually nominate/vote based on actual merit and instead keep these olds in power because they're the incumbent and that apparently means they deserve their place as long as they want it and can't be challenged within their own party because that breaks some super-important unwritten rule. It'd be nice if we, as a people, had the intellect to realize that since those assholes never will agree to personal term limits, we could enforce term limits on them via the ballot box, but nah, let's have a big-time election between two addled, cranky old bastards and give the winner the controls to the country for the next four years! What can go wrong?!?
posted by HereticWhile I would agree that regular people lacking in medical training might not be qualified to use their observations (or anecdotal evidence) to say an old person's memory lapses are a sign of dementia/Alzheimer's, I would say that, especially when talking about a leader's capacity to rule, the eye test just might be more important than it would be in determining whether Trump or Biden would be the best Wal-Mart greeter.
And when one of the two front-runners to be our next president (who happens to be our current president) is an 80+ year old man who seems to struggle with naming current world leaders as opposed to deceased former ones and kinda, sorta has an oops about when his own kid died, that's an issue. As is it when his projected opponent, who would be his current age in four years, confuses Nikki Haley with Nancy Pelosi, thinks Jeb Bush was the architect of the former military action against Iraq and feels the key to us beating the Brits in the Revolutionary War involved controlling airports.
But, hey! That's our country; where ancient fucks stay in office until they're dead (Feinstein), even if they occasionally lapse into comas while talking (McConnell), because we're too stupid to actually nominate/vote based on actual merit and instead keep these olds in power because they're the incumbent and that apparently means they deserve their place as long as they want it and can't be challenged within their own party because that breaks some super-important unwritten rule. It'd be nice if we, as a people, had the intellect to realize that since those assholes never will agree to personal term limits, we could enforce term limits on them via the ballot box, but nah, let's have a big-time election between two addled, cranky old bastards and give the winner the controls to the country for the next four years! What can go wrong?!?
Well stated
posted by HereticWhile I would agree that regular people lacking in medical training might not be qualified to use their observations (or anecdotal evidence) to say an old person's memory lapses are a sign of dementia/Alzheimer's, I would say that, especially when talking about a leader's capacity to rule, the eye test just might be more important than it would be in determining whether Trump or Biden would be the best Wal-Mart greeter.
And when one of the two front-runners to be our next president (who happens to be our current president) is an 80+ year old man who seems to struggle with naming current world leaders as opposed to deceased former ones and kinda, sorta has an oops about when his own kid died, that's an issue. As is it when his projected opponent, who would be his current age in four years, confuses Nikki Haley with Nancy Pelosi, thinks Jeb Bush was the architect of the former military action against Iraq and feels the key to us beating the Brits in the Revolutionary War involved controlling airports.
But, hey! That's our country; where ancient fucks stay in office until they're dead (Feinstein), even if they occasionally lapse into comas while talking (McConnell), because we're too stupid to actually nominate/vote based on actual merit and instead keep these olds in power because they're the incumbent and that apparently means they deserve their place as long as they want it and can't be challenged within their own party because that breaks some super-important unwritten rule. It'd be nice if we, as a people, had the intellect to realize that since those assholes never will agree to personal term limits, we could enforce term limits on them via the ballot box, but nah, let's have a big-time election between two addled, cranky old bastards and give the winner the controls to the country for the next four years! What can go wrong?!?
Well, it's all about being a team member. We all know that QO is a Republican team player. Likewise, we all know that Ptown is a team player.
Politics aside, QO doesn't deny that he is a team player. He's pretty batamt with it and doesn't appear to care what others think about it.
Om the other hand, Ptown will call names, insinuate stupidity, wiggle and jiggle and even contradict his own self to avoid admitting that he's just as all-in as QO is, just in a different direction.
posted by geeblockhttps://www.huffpost.com/entry/joe-biden-mitt-romney-age_n_65c664c5e4b093b2e7838fd0
The huffpo. Romney is an expert when needed and an idiot when not.