A couple of the paragraphs included therein are zeroing in directly. Of course, not that anything is going to be done about it, with the two sets of justice we now have.
posted by geeblockIm not going to argue with you. If you think a group of people who owned slaves and knew it was wrong wrote piece of legislation that saw all races as equal and applied to all people thats up to you.
On the 200th anniversary of the ratification of the US Constitution, Thurgood Marshall, the first African American to sit on the Supreme Court, said that the Constitution was "defective from the start." He pointed out that the framers had left out a majority of Americans when they wrote the phrase, "We the People." While some members of the Constitutional Convention voiced "eloquent objections" to slavery, Marshall said they "consented to a document which laid a foundation for the tragic events which were to follow."
The word "slave" does not appear in the Constitution. The framers consciously avoided the word, recognizing that it would sully the document. Nevertheless, slavery received important protections in the Constitution. The notorious three-fifths clause—which counted three-fifths of a state’s slave population in apportioning representation—gave the South extra representation in the House of Representatives and extra votes in the Electoral College. Thomas Jefferson would have lost the election of 1800 if not for the Three-fifths Compromise. The Constitution also prohibited Congress from outlawing the Atlantic slave trade for twenty years. A fugitive slave clause required the return of runaway slaves to their owners. The Constitution gave the federal government the power to put down domestic rebellions, including slave insurrections.
The framers of the Constitution believed that concessions on slavery were the price for the support of southern delegates for a strong central government. They were convinced that if the Constitution restricted the slave trade, South Carolina and Georgia would refuse to join the Union. But by sidestepping the slavery issue, the framers left the seeds for future conflict. After the convention approved the great compromise, Madison wrote: "It seems now to be pretty well understood that the real difference of interests lies not between the large and small but between the northern and southern states. The institution of slavery and its consequences form the line of discrimination."
People recognizing that was the division that was going to fester for decades up to and directly leading to the civil war is not the same as saying the document is racist.
There is a difference, again, in the sins of the authors and the document itself.
Key example, David in the Bible was an adulterer and a murderer, he also wrote the book of Psalms. Does that mean the Bible supports murder?
Of course not, that would be a logical fallacy just like saying that “well, some of the delegates that had a hand in the Constitution were racist, that means the document was” is asinine.
The founding documents said ALL MEN (and of course men being of mankind/humans). Sure, as a people/country we took nearly 200 years to accomplish that goal of all men (1787 to 1960s) but that’s on us as a country and a people, not on the document itself.
So again, point to the words in the document that spell out race, not to the authors.
posted by geeblockYou think the black kid likes to be called Monkey?
Wasn't this kid white? Or did you just assume he was black because someone called him monkey? Seems kind of a racist assumption to me.
All I can say is, if Trump had done what Biden is alleged to have done, with the evidence alleged (which is far more "tangible" than Russia Russia Russia).....TDS would definitely have been fatal in thousands of cases.
posted by gutWasn't this kid white? Or did you just assume he was black because someone called him monkey? Seems kind of a racist assumption to me.
No the kid who was at home is black
posted by gutAll I can say is, if Trump had done what Biden is alleged to have done, with the evidence alleged (which is far more "tangible" than Russia Russia Russia).....TDS would definitely have been fatal in thousands of cases.
Yep
posted by geeblockNo the kid who was at home is black
pics or it didn't happen! lol
posted by geeblockNo the kid who was at home is black
Lol pretty obvious by the mother talking. Why didn’t she answer the door tho?
posted by gutAll I can say is, if Trump had done what Biden is alleged to have done, with the evidence alleged (which is far more "tangible" than Russia Russia Russia).....TDS would definitely have been fatal in thousands of cases.
A few things going on.
1.) From here on out, the big cities are going to rule our national and state elections. Dems realized that they don't even have to campaign now, they are going to hump that strategy to from here on out.
2.) *All the people in the heavily populated areas were going to vote blue no matter who anyway. "muh orange man bad!" was just an easy excuse to not feel bad about it.
* I think there was a minor section of people who truly did believe everything that the media told them about muh Russiagate! and probably still hesitant to admit that they were duped.
Unfortunately, they will fall for it again because the media is already smearing EVERYBODY else to help ensure Biden gets re-elected.
posted by justincredible
BREAKING: James Comer and Chuck Grassley allege that the FBI is in possession of a documents showing that Joe Biden as VP committed bribery with a foreign national in exchange for policy decisions. pic.twitter.com/LsxovvPkk0
— Greg Price (@greg_price11) May 3, 2023
Even if this is true, nothing can or will be done about it. Biden is allowed to be the most corrupt President of our times because he is part of the "in group". If Biden is ever impeached because of things that actually did happen (the opposite of Trump who was impeached on things that did not happen), I will be shocked.
Also, Merrick Garland LOL! This guy, who the dems have been bemoaning for years now, is incrementally being exposed for what he really is.
posted by CenterBHSFan* I think there was a minor section of people who truly did believe everything that the media told them about muh Russiagate! and probably still hesitant to admit that they were duped.
Honestly, I don't think most of them care. It's the same with a lot of Fox viewers. People want rage porn, and that's what the cable news gives them.
I shake my head at a lot of people who think the leftwing media is somehow better, and I think it's just because all of them basically parroting NYT that it SEEMS like confirmation via consensus. Easy perception to have, but no they aren't really journalists any more and they aren't really independent.
I won't dispute that Fox/Breitbart are the media arm of the RNC. But the others, particularly NYT/WaPo/CNN/MSNBC are the media arm of the DNC.
I've known colleagues who would flip their shit over someone reading Breitbart that don't bat an eye over Politico or Buzzfeed. Next to alcohol, politics is the biggest factor in turning smart people stupid.
posted by CenterBHSFanAlso, Merrick Garland LOL! This guy, who the dems have been bemoaning for years now, is incrementally being exposed for what he really is.
I didn't really follow or research him, but it seemed like he was really a moderate, albeit left-of-center. Even Fox largely portrayed him that way.
Maybe the better question, as with Barr, is the DOJ just a complete shitshow? I haven't followed Garland that closely to have an opinion. But I think Barr was definitely treated pretty unfairly for, basically, not breaking the law to get Trump.
posted by gutI didn't really follow or research him, but it seemed like he was really a moderate, albeit left-of-center. Even Fox largely portrayed him that way.
Maybe the better question, as with Barr, is the DOJ just a complete shitshow? I haven't followed Garland that closely to have an opinion. But I think Barr was definitely treated pretty unfairly for, basically, not breaking the law to get Trump.
I'm going to go out on a limb here and state that all those alphabet entities are a shit show. They are corrupt to their core and I don't know how in the world they can be salvaged at this point.
posted by jmogPeople recognizing that was the division that was going to fester for decades up to and directly leading to the civil war is not the same as saying the document is racist.
There is a difference, again, in the sins of the authors and the document itself.
Key example, David in the Bible was an adulterer and a murderer, he also wrote the book of Psalms. Does that mean the Bible supports murder?
Of course not, that would be a logical fallacy just like saying that “well, some of the delegates that had a hand in the Constitution were racist, that means the document was” is asinine.
The founding documents said ALL MEN (and of course men being of mankind/humans). Sure, as a people/country we took nearly 200 years to accomplish that goal of all men (1787 to 1960s) but that’s on us as a country and a people, not on the document itself.
So again, point to the words in the document that spell out race, not to the authors.
I don’t think the word men or male is used either from my memory. I just think it was understood the document covered only males
But yes sentencing a generation of people to 20 more years of slavery when the rest of the world is acknowledging slavery is wrong and most of the members know it’s wrong, just because some people will lose money is in fact racist.
posted by CenterBHSFanAlso, Merrick Garland LOL! This guy, who the dems have been bemoaning for years now, is incrementally being exposed for what he really is.
This is why who cares about McConnell. He stopped this clown from getting power. He wins.
posted by iclfan2This is why who cares about McConnell. He stopped this clown from getting power. He wins.
Yeah. I guess I can give you that, even if I don't like acknowledging it lol!
He's still one of the worst, imo
It's really too bad that the Dems are hindering "our democracy!" by refusing to have primary debates, because things are getting interesting!
https://twitter.com/Politics_Polls/status/1653597349984325633?s=20
posted by geeblockI don’t think the word men or male is used either from my memory. I just think it was understood the document covered only males
But yes sentencing a generation of people to 20 more years of slavery when the rest of the world is acknowledging slavery is wrong and most of the members know it’s wrong, just because some people will lose money is in fact racist.
1. I said founding documents said men, which is correct in tbe DoI.
2. Men means mankind not only males, most people understand this even if you don’t.
3. Again, the fact that people didn’t fix the slavery problem for 60 years doesn’t make the document racist. You are just being obtuse with no actual text from the document to back up your stance. Show me one reference to race in the Constitution to prove your point. Just one.
posted by CenterBHSFanIt's really too bad that the Dems are hindering "our democracy!" by refusing to have primary debates, because things are getting interesting!
Wait... Dems are not having primary debates? Are you serious?
posted by ernest_t_bassWait... Dems are not having primary debates? Are you serious?
Nope, they cancelled them. I am sure they are trying to find a way to get rid of the debates against the RNC primary winner too.
I would be shocked if Joe Biden participated in any debate leading up the the election. Unless, of course, he can have the questions handed to him on notecards beforehand.
posted by jmogNope, they cancelled them. I am sure they are trying to find a way to get rid of the debates against the RNC primary winner too.
I think there are also rumblings that Trump isn't going to debate.
On the other hand, you've had the Libertarians trying to muscle their way into the debates for years.
Honestly, the debate are largely useless and most superficial. Still, it's the only real substance millions of voters get even if it'sbasically just a mash-up of 30-second sound bites.
I still think the Clinton/FBI/Media Russia Hoax will never be topped; but this involves the then-VP, and the now-Prez, so yes, let's get straight to it.