posted by justincredible

Also, I haven't followed close enough to know. Are these books being banned from being sold in the state? Or just being banned from libraries? And if they are being banned from libraries, is it all libraries or just school libraries?

If a parent wanted to expose their kids to these books, do they have that ability? 

Me thinks you know the answer to all of these. 

posted by justincredible

Can you provide a list of the "banned" books that do not contain graphic sexual depictions? 

Can you refute the claims being made in this tweet in reference to the stack of books pictured in the article? Is he wrong in his characterization of these books? I honestly don't know, and you seem to have knowledge on the subject so I'm hoping you can clear it up for me.

The photo on the article you're quoting features a book with explicit illustrations of sex acts, a book about incest, one a sex story about two 10 year old boys, one about a man raping and isolating a 12 year old girl, one about a teen girl who seduces a man who kidnaps her... https://t.co/5nmzaXAWTU

— Chad Felix Greene (@chadfelixg) April 30, 2023

I just looked up those 5 books that Chelsea Clinton posted as helpful to kids. One I already knew about, Lolita. The others:

Jesus Christ...

How ANY adult believes that kids should have access to these books is absolutely sickening. Fucking sickening.

posted by CenterBHSFan

Matt Taibbi - the journalist that was central to the Twitter files - is still going strong releasing information exposing the collusion between government agencies and the Biden administration. Since this all started the government and its media propaganda outreach machine has threatened him with imprisonment, sent IRS agents to his house and has done everything under its power to discredit him. If this keeps up it is only a matter of time before he will be forced to flee this country and live in a foreign embassy.

There are times when you wouldn't know this is the United States of America, and they seem to be occurring more often of late.

Interesting thread.

"Conservatives are banning books from school libraries!"

"No we're not. We just want don't want graphic porn in there. Like this one."

"How dare you send me this unsolicited pic of a blow job readily available to a 14-year-old in their school." pic.twitter.com/knpxkIzN6L

— Greg Price (@greg_price11) May 1, 2023

posted by justincredible

Interesting thread

I don’t know which lists are accurate and which are not so idk. But I have seen lists with books being banned such as Night by eli weisel (sp), diary of Anne frank, books about Roberto Clemente and Jackie Robinson, Dr Seuss books to name a few. I will try to verify some lists this week. 

posted by geeblock

I don’t know which lists are accurate and which are not so idk. But I have seen lists with books being banned such as Night by eli weisel (sp), diary of Anne frank, books about Roberto Clemente and Jackie Robinson, Dr Seuss books to name a few. I will try to verify some lists this week. 

I’ll help you out a bit. Libs banned the Dr. Seuss books (maybe also, but did). And the Anne Frank book is not the original in the cases I saw, but a graphic adaptation that includes sexualized thibgs. Also, wasn’t your whole argument before that just because one school or teacher does something doesn’t mean it is happening all over? (Even though you were wrong about the gender stuff).

https://apnews.com/article/dr-seuss-books-racist-images-d8ed18335c03319d72f443594c174513

posted by iclfan2

I’ll help you out a bit. Libs banned the Dr. Seuss books (maybe also, but did). And the Anne Frank book is not the original in the cases I saw, but a graphic adaptation that includes sexualized thibgs. Also, wasn’t your whole argument before that just because one school or teacher does something doesn’t mean it is happening all over? (Even though you were wrong about the gender stuff).

https://apnews.com/article/dr-seuss-books-racist-images-d8ed18335c03319d72f443594c174513

Yes we have actually discussed that dr suess book here before. As I said I am against anyone banning books. And you are also correct these books you are talking about and making a fuss about are very rare in schools if ever even checked out by a high school student. You are also correct that is is a very small minority that most people don’t agree with making all the noise getting books banned. I have found several lists already from school districts where moms for liberty is trying to banned or has banned much longer lists of books than what is portrayed by the graphics tweet shown 

This list was from Arkansas and I pulled from a news article. 

https://arktimes.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/03/Moms-for-Liberty-Books.pdf

posted by geeblock

Yes we have actually discussed that dr suess book here before. As I said I am against anyone banning books. And you are also correct these books you are talking about and making a fuss about are very rare in schools if ever even checked out by a high school student. You are also correct that is is a very small minority that most people don’t agree with making all the noise getting books banned. I have found several lists already from school districts where moms for liberty is trying to banned or has banned much longer lists of books than what is portrayed by the graphics tweet shown 

This list was from Arkansas and I pulled from a news article. 

https://arktimes.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/03/Moms-for-Liberty-Books.pdf

You can be against book banning, I think that's a pretty common principle. 

But as has been said before, there is a difference between that and making sure that a book's content is age appropriate and not readily available for child consumption.  Yet, here you are, repeatedly denying that there is a difference.

Well, the DemMedia machine has already started their work on RFKjr. 

ABC has started to censor him already, because he's challenging big pharma covid policy controlled info releases, removing whole sections of his words from their platform.

NBC has started their smear campaign, calling him "fringe". He's polling at around 20%. That's pretty good, considering that he's being censored and smeared already, yet still polling at that number.

It's also interesting that youtube is still putting up these markers that are meant to cast doubt on any idea that conflicts with what the government tells you.

posted by CenterBHSFan

You can be against book banning, I think that's a pretty common principle. 

But as has been said before, there is a difference between that and making sure that a book's content is age appropriate and not readily available for child consumption.  Yet, here you are, repeatedly denying that there is a difference.

Just so I know we’re on the same page we are talking about high school right? 

posted by geeblock

Just so I know we’re on the same page we are talking about high school right? 

Any public education K-12 shouldn't be using taxpayer money to pay/provide such sexually exploitive material. Truthfully, private education shouldn't be providing it, either.

If you, as an "educator" can't differentiate between the definition of intercourse and a pictorial showing an adult giving a strap on a blow job, then that is a belief system that you and others like you have to own.  I'm not jealous.

In other news, government regulators have seized another bank, First Republic (the 2nd largest collapse in history) and sold it to JPMorgan.

I'm not liking this trend of failing banks and not sure how it's all going to end. But right now it's hard to definitively say that JPMorgan won't end up owning all of them.

posted by CenterBHSFan

Any public education K-12 shouldn't be using taxpayer money to pay/provide such sexually exploitive material. Truthfully, private education shouldn't be providing it, either.

If you, as an "educator" can't differentiate between the definition of intercourse and a pictorial showing an adult giving a strap on a blow job, then that is a belief system that you and others like you have to own.  I'm not jealous.

That’s a lot of words. We are talking about high school in these conversations Correct? I have no idea what has you triggered or what blowjob you are talking about. It was really a simple question 

posted by geeblock

That’s a lot of words. We are talking about high school in these conversations Correct? I have no idea what has you triggered or what blowjob you are talking about. It was really a simple question 

Don’t be obtuse, it has literally been shown on this thread.

Simple yes or no question.

Should sexually explicit books, depicting with pictures oral sex on both hetero and homosexual encounters, be available for any child (17 or under) to check out of a library at a public school?

That’s a pretty simple question, can you answer it with a yes or a no?

posted by geeblock

That’s a lot of words. We are talking about high school in these conversations Correct? I have no idea what has you triggered or what blowjob you are talking about. It was really a simple question 

So you didn't read any previous posts, but going to take a stance on them.

Got it! 

posted by jmog

Don’t be obtuse, it has literally been shown on this thread.

Simple yes or no question.

Should sexually explicit books, depicting with pictures oral sex on both hetero and homosexual encounters, be available for any child (17 or under) to check out of a library at a public school?

That’s a pretty simple question, can you answer it with a yes or a no?

I would say no. And I said that already. We then moved on to the many other books that this has lead to being banned. As far as that picture, they don’t say what the book is, if It was in a library or where.. I read the whole thread. People asked and there was no response. This whole thing is a nothingburger of things that don’t happen. Kids can go in their search bar on their phone and hit blowjob. They aren’t going to the school library for it. But like I said earlier it is leading to other books like “the haindmaids tale” for example. And when I bring it up you keep screaming about this obscene picture. It’s inflammatory I get it but like I said 5 times they are using it to over reach. 

posted by CenterBHSFan

So you didn't read any previous posts, but going to take a stance on them.

Got it! 

I read the entire thread. Then I said that it was leading to many other books being banned. I gave examples and a list. And yet you keep repeating this inflammatory picture with zero context. I will repeat. If it was just this book or the few others with sexual material cool. However several lists I looked at from board meetings around the country vary from 4-24 pages. I posted one. We can discuss it or not but pleass stop saying I am for porn in school or that kids are getting porn at school. 

I’ll finish with this on the topic. I couldn’t care less if they ban 100 books. Kids don’t really check out books from the library anyway. It is a huge argument about something that rarely happens. But like I said people don’t want other’s controlling what they do. They don’t want the govt in their medical decisions or in their schools. I will always be about less laws. Same with the gender reassignment stuff, it is extremely rare and it has turned into literally the whole party platform. It’s weird, all of it. Hyper focused on stuff that doesn’t really happen and it will continue to cost elections. How about worry about inflation or housing or homeless or veterans or something. 

posted by geeblock

I would say no. And I said that already. We then moved on to the many other books that this has lead to being banned. As far as that picture, they don’t say what the book is, if It was in a library or where.. I read the whole thread. People asked and there was no response. This whole thing is a nothingburger of things that don’t happen. Kids can go in their search bar on their phone and hit blowjob. They aren’t going to the school library for it. But like I said earlier it is leading to other books like “the haindmaids tale” for example. And when I bring it up you keep screaming about this obscene picture. It’s inflammatory I get it but like I said 5 times they are using it to over reach. 

Now, look up the book Gender Queer, which is in many elementary school libraries.

Is that ok or not, yes or no?

And saying “well they can just look it up on their phone anyway” is a bullshit argument about whether it should be in schools, you know it, we all know it.

posted by geeblock

I’ll finish with this on the topic. I couldn’t care less if they ban 100 books. Kids don’t really check out books from the library anyway. It is a huge argument about something that rarely happens. But like I said people don’t want other’s controlling what they do. They don’t want the govt in their medical decisions or in their schools. I will always be about less laws. Same with the gender reassignment stuff, it is extremely rare and it has turned into literally the whole party platform. It’s weird, all of it. Hyper focused on stuff that doesn’t really happen and it will continue to cost elections. How about worry about inflation or housing or homeless or veterans or something. 

Yes, people “hyper focus” on making things that are evil are removed from kids.  Ideas like chemically castrating kids, letting kids get sexually explicit material at school, etc. they are all evil, any normal human being would fight to keep those ideas and possibilities away from children.

And it isn’t just fringe or one off or small problems, you were wrong about CRT being in schools and are wrong about this being almost never a problem.

Hope that helps.

posted by jmog

Now, look up the book Gender Queer, which is in many elementary school libraries.

Is that ok or not, yes or no?

And saying “well they can just look it up on their phone anyway” is a bullshit argument about whether it should be in schools, you know it, we all know it.

I would be fine with that book being removed from high schools, i would need something more concrete before i would ever believe it was in an elementary school. I notice you keep ignoring the other books i mentioned. 

posted by jmog

Yes, people “hyper focus” on making things that are evil are removed from kids.  Ideas like chemically castrating kids, letting kids get sexually explicit material at school, etc. they are all evil, any normal human being would fight to keep those ideas and possibilities away from children.

And it isn’t just fringe or one off or small problems, you were wrong about CRT being in schools and are wrong about this being almost never a problem.

Hope that helps.

I dont have kids but how about you make medical decisions for your kids and the content they read and let others do the same sounds like the best idea.  

posted by geeblock

I dont have kids but how about you make medical decisions for your kids and the content they read and let others do the same sounds like the best idea.  

By that idiotic logic we should let parents decide if their kids are allowed to bring guns to school, or let parents decide if kids can drive cars. 

posted by geeblock

I dont have kids but how about you make medical decisions for your kids and the content they read and let others do the same sounds like the best idea.  

Sorry, but chemically castrating kids, mutilating kids genitals, and letting kids read explicit porn is absolutely evil. And anyone, parent or “teacher with no kids” that believes it should be allowed is evil as well.