It is easy to dismiss Project 2025 because it suddenly became viral. 

But, was being reported before the debate and even last year when the report was released.

The fact it comes from former Trump people at Heritage is what gives it validity. 

The report came about from the fact Trump was surprised he won in 2016 and his ramp up to take office in 2017 was slow. The report is a blueprint for his administration to hit the ground running. This is boldy stated in the report.

It's authors are people that were in the first administration and expect to be in mid to high levels in the new one. 

Think tanks like Heritage are where former government folks go in-between administrations. The Center for American Progress, New America and Carnegie are the ones on the left. Heritage, American enterprise institution and Lexington institution are examples for ones on the right. People shuffle in and out of these. So, it is expected these guys will be in the next Trump administration as that is the machine works.

Trump can say he is distancing from it, but his new administration will need qualified people...and those people will be in think tanks like Heritage. 

I also think reading some parts of it, some on here would be in favor of some of it. Some parts will require Congressional approval, but others may not especially with recent rulings. 

Possible honeymoon phase bump for Kamala, the next few weeks of polls should be interesting.  I expect Trump's camp to ramp up the ads and hits on KH significantly. 

#NEW @EmersonPolling/@thehill Swing State Polls:

PENNSYLVANIA
Trump 48% (+2)
Harris 46%
.
MICHIGAN
Trump 46% (+1)
Harris 45%
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WISCONSIN
Trump 47%
Harris 47%
.
GEORGIA
Trump 48% (+2)
Harris 46%
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ARIZONA
Trump 49% (+5)
Harris 44%

4,095 RV, 7/22-23https://t.co/Frmublr9CT pic.twitter.com/XP7gCG2hdt

— Political Polls (@Politics_Polls) July 25, 2024

I think Wisconsin will be safely Dem, almost no matter what. 

But the Dems really should rethink their openly public strategy of ditching the working class altogether. Otherwise they will eventually only be left with California and New York. 

posted by CenterBHSFan

This is mostly what I think. The wall they ran into was that they didn't have a stable of people with high name recognition with good (doesn't have to be great) accomplishments. They have focused all of their energy in orange man bad! for 8yrs that they didn't put any energy into grooming anybody to be at the ready. So now they have painted themselves into a corner and only have Kamala. 

Ok, so what they should be doing is have their stenographers pointing out all of her strong points and focusing on how to play up her good points, in whatever way they can to give their voters something to vote for.

But they aren't. They are focusing on P2025. And to be fair, it's working. Ptown is carrying it as we've already seen. The problem that lies beneath is that it's really early to be doing that. It will be a spent dick come the end of September.

Well, if we're being real, since Trump did just nearly get killed and that led to an immediate "Welp, guess that sewed up the election for him!" response AND the Ds did just replace their candidate, I think they kind of had to bring out P2025 as a way to blunt any additional support the last few weeks may have given him.

And, to continue being real, since we are talking about Donald Trump, I'd guess the Ds also figure that since we still have 3+ months before the election, the odds are way in favor of him saying, doing or allegedly saying/doing (ie: where validity gets "trumped" by simple plausibility) multiple more things they can try to nail him on. I mean, I woke up today and saw on teh Twitter that one of his nephews claimed that, in talking about disabled people, said that at least some of them should just die because expenses or whatnot. True or not? Who knows! But it will get people buzzing for, I don't know, 6 hours or so!

Historically the "experts" have always said there's no evidence the VP moves the needle, really at all.

People made a big deal about it this cycle because of the likelihood Biden wouldn't make it another 4 years, and the probability Trump won't.  

Choosing Vance let's Trump's base know his policies will continue if he doesn't finish, and someone they can rally behind as a potential POTUS in 2028.  I seriously, seriously doubt many people were saying "well, I'm not voting for Trump, but now that he picked [Tulsi] I'm all in!".

posted by ptown_trojans_1

Trump can say he is distancing from it, but his new administration will need qualified people...and those people will be in think tanks like Heritage.

Sooooo more gaslighting where ignore what Trump says, THIS is what he really means or is going to happen?

You're like a cat with a laser pointer. 

posted by gut

Sooooo more gaslighting where ignore what Trump says, THIS is what he really means or is going to happen?

You're like a cat with a laser pointer. 

So you do not think these are the people that will surround the President to influence his decisions or run the agencies? 

Isn't your whole theory that the President himself doesn't have much power, it is more the people around him? 

posted by gut

Sooooo more gaslighting where ignore what Trump says, THIS is what he really means or is going to happen?

You're like a cat with a laser pointer. 

The fascination with Project 2025 is an expert level course in propaganda. 

Maybe trump shouldn’t have said in 2022 that the heritage foundation would create the framework for his next administration? If it’s propaganda it is their own propaganda. 

posted by gut

Sooooo more gaslighting where ignore what Trump says, THIS is what he really means or is going to happen?

You're like a cat with a laser pointer. 

So when he said he never heard of it your believe that? 

Trump: I’ve never seen the document 

Trump:in many cases the points are fine points 

Trump: many of the points I don’t agree with but also I don’t know anything about the document. 

This makes no sense 

DEI - right wing propaganda nothing to see here

Project 2025 - fact

posted by majorspark

DEI - right wing propaganda nothing to see here

Project 2025 - fact

Isn't that the way of politics? One team's nothing-burger is the other team's boogeyman and vice versa.

posted by Heretic

Isn't that the way of politics? One team's nothing-burger is the other team's boogeyman and vice versa.

Yes.  But since I have never mentioned DEI on this site and left that burger for others to fight over, the comment has merit.  Those who feel the post is directed at them are likely correct.

posted by majorspark

DEI - right wing propaganda nothing to see here

Project 2025 - fact

I did post the actual link to the Project with authors and everything....

posted by Trueblue23

The fascination with Project 2025 is an expert level course in propaganda. 

I posted the link to the project, authors and all. You can read it for yourself

LOL Kamala reads prepared remarks on the war in Gaza and then leaves without taking questions.  Probably a good move - "the speech threads the needle, don't mess it up riffing or responding off-the-cuff to questions".

I thought the content was very good, but wow that delivery.  She could barely look away from the prompter.  That's public speaking 101 - looking down to read almost every word indicates you either don't believe what you're saying, or aren't in command of the topic.  At best, just unprepared to deliver those remarks.

Ptown has outed himself.

As for Kamala there is a reason she is not the popular choice of her party.  The power brokers have to give her a go.

Well, Van Jones has declared that 20,000 black men will protect Kamala Harris. I guess from Trump's mean words. 

I say that if Hillary Clinton can take it, so can Kamala. Women who have reached that point of power have every ability to weather mean names or heavy criticism. 

posted by CenterBHSFan

20,000 black men 

Diversity?

posted by majorspark

Ptown has outed himself.

As for Kamala there is a reason she is not the popular choice of her party.  The power brokers have to give her a go.

What for posting the primary source for Project 2025 and explaining how people rotate in and out of think tanks? 

I do find it funny no one has actually commented on the details of the project...

I do think some on here would be big fans of portions of it. I even like some portions of it. 

posted by ptown_trojans_1

What for posting the primary source for Project 2025 and explaining how people rotate in and out of think tanks? 

I do find it funny no one has actually commented on the details of the project...

I do think some on here would be big fans of portions of it. I even like some portions of it. 

I have only read parts of it myself. With what I have read, I've got to say, I'm  mostly indifferent. 

Who all partook in cobbling it together doesn't fill me with fear or dread. It doesn't make me like them or dislike them. I've seen better Christmas wish lists.

That very well has the ability to change my viewpoint if your predictions come true. But as long as it isn't happening *right now", I'm not concerned.

I'm more afraid of spiders, who should all die in a fire. They are currently an existential threat to my well-being in real life.

posted by ptown_trojans_1

 I even like some portions of it. 

So its a moderate ideology.

posted by CenterBHSFan

I have only read parts of it myself. With what I have read, I've got to say, I'm  mostly indifferent. 

Who all partook in cobbling it together doesn't fill me with fear or dread. It doesn't make me like them or dislike them. I've seen better Christmas wish lists.

That very well has the ability to change my viewpoint if your predictions come true. But as long as it isn't happening *right now", I'm not concerned.

I'm more afraid of spiders, who should all die in a fire. They are currently an existential threat to my well-being in real life.

Similarly scotus appointees said they had no plans to go after roe vs wade during confirmation correct?  Every bill or law starts as an idea. You don’t necessarily disagree with these ideas so of course you don’t care. I’m sure if project 2025 said free health care, free head start, or some idea the dems had that you disagreed with you would similarly post negatively about it. 

posted by geeblock

Similarly scotus appointees said they had no plans to go after roe vs wade during confirmation correct?  Every bill or law starts as an idea. You don’t necessarily disagree with these ideas so of course you don’t care. I’m sure if project 2025 said free health care or some idea the dems had that you disagreed with you would similarly post negatively about it. 

SCOTUS didn't "go after" Roe v Wade. The case made its way to them. And rather than legislate from the bench, they sent it back to the states. I don't have an argument against that. 

Present to me and argument where they should not have kicked it to the states.

Present to me and argument as to why SCOTUS should legislate from the bench.

Congress makes laws. And as I've told you before, the Dems wasted decades of majorities and super majorities because campaign promises gather donations whereas laws do not.

As for Med4All, the Dems won't even hold a simple floor vote. They wouldn't even do it when they had leverage.