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OHSAA New Proposal for Multiplier

  • Al Bundy
    http://www.dispatch.com/content/stories/sports/2013/03/22/22-high-school-athletics-competitive-balance.html
  • Crimson streak
    I actually like the idea
  • Crimson streak
    So Massillon would be super d-1 then ;)
  • Al Bundy
    Crimson streak;1411871 wrote:So Massillon would be super d-1 then ;)
    If I am understanding the rule correctly, we would just have to get the kids from our combine addresses within the Massillon school district to avoid having them count as multipliers.
  • skank
    Al Bundy;1411882 wrote:If I am understanding the rule correctly, we would just have to get the kids from our combine addresses within the Massillon school district to avoid having them count as multipliers.


    I like the idea....Rally I do....Tactic like this have worked for parochials for years, why not try it now? It worked for the Williams kid at Ignatius....Living in an apartment, "near the HS", during football season.
  • Al Bundy
    skank;1411914 wrote:I like the idea....Rally I do....Tactic like this have worked for parochials for years, why not try it now? It worked for the Williams kid at Ignatius....Living in an apartment, "near the HS", during football season.
    If that is true, it illustrates the difference between a program like Iggy and our Massillon Tigers. We would never have a kid live in an apartment. We make sure that everyone we bring in has a house.
  • sherm03
    That proposal is very similar to what I've been saying on here all along. The only thing the article doesn't address, what defines a private school's boundary? Is it defined by the public district that the school sits in? Is it defined by the areas of the feeder schools?
  • skank
    skank;1411914 wrote:I like the idea....Rally I do....Tactic like this have worked for parochials for years, why not try it now? It worked for the Williams kid at Ignatius....Living in an apartment, "near the HS", during football season.


    True, but then again, the paroch's have so many, they couldn't realistically buy homes for them all.
  • Classyposter58
    Great idea! Talk about a fix, however how do you define districts? Youngstown Cardinal Mooney still is Youngstown, thus won't be punished for kids from the city? The problem isn't private schools in D1, it's the smaller ones where they absolutely dominate. I mean seeing my high school in 2008 go to the D4 Final Four and play Kettering Alter, who had 120 kids on their football team is unreal. They're supposed to be in D4? Heck Chris Borland the following season was B1G Frosh of the Year
  • queencitybuckeye
    Crimson streak;1411871 wrote:So Massillon would be super d-1 then ;)
    There's actually an exception for teams showing no success in a sport.
  • Sonofanump
    So teams will not know what division that they are in until two to three weeks into the season since the schools will need to submit rosters of the players and no need to do that until cuts (esp basketball & base/softball) are made.
  • Al Bundy
    Sonofanump;1412305 wrote:So teams will not know what division that they are in until two to three weeks into the season since the schools will need to submit rosters of the players and no need to do that until cuts (esp basketball & base/softball) are made.
    I would imagine that they would do it in the spring for football, like they do now. Take all of the boys and just apply multiplier to those outside of the district.
  • sherm03
    Classyposter58;1412200 wrote:Great idea! Talk about a fix, however how do you define districts? Youngstown Cardinal Mooney still is Youngstown, thus won't be punished for kids from the city? The problem isn't private schools in D1, it's the smaller ones where they absolutely dominate. I mean seeing my high school in 2008 go to the D4 Final Four and play Kettering Alter, who had 120 kids on their football team is unreal. They're supposed to be in D4? Heck Chris Borland the following season was B1G Frosh of the Year
    That's why I've always maintained that in the smaller divisions this isn't a private/public debate, it's more of a urban/rural debate. But punishing a team just because they come from an area of the state that is populated doesn't make sense...especially since the schools from those more populated areas also have to compete with around 20 other schools for students while the kids in the rural areas go to the only school in the area.
  • Sonofanump
    Al Bundy;1412352 wrote:I would imagine that they would do it in the spring for football, like they do now. Take all of the boys and just apply multiplier to those outside of the district.
    Like with a time machine they will find out the rosters in the last week of August, then go back in time and set the divisions in May?
  • sherm03
    Sonofanump;1412366 wrote:Like with a time machine they will find out the rosters in the last week of August, then go back in time and set the divisions in May?
    Are there schools that cut kids? I'm being serious. I've never known of a high school to cut kids from their football team. But maybe that's just the schools around Youngstown.
  • Al Bundy
    Sonofanump;1412366 wrote:Like with a time machine they will find out the rosters in the last week of August, then go back in time and set the divisions in May?
    The specified date doesn't have to be that late. They can require that rosters be submitted whenever they want.
  • skank
    queencitybuckeye;1412282 wrote:There's actually an exception for teams showing no success in a sport.


    Your math shows that one of the smallest D1 schools in the state playing for 5 and winning 4 regional titles in the last 12 years is not successful? Hmm. so much for that private education.

    What I like about this proposal is that we will finally see, in print, the kinds of numbers the parochials are dealing with. Unless of course they expand their practices of renting apartments near their High Schools.
  • Al Bundy
    skank;1412393 wrote:Your math shows that one of the smallest D1 schools in the state playing for 5 and winning 4 regional titles in the last 12 years is not successful? Hmm. so much for that private education.
    You tell him skank. We were very close to being winners a few times. We are very proud of our moral victories here in Massillon.
  • ernest_t_bass
    I like Indiana's rule. I don't know it exactly, but it's something along the line of, "You make it to state tourney (final 4) 2 straight years, you move up a division for 2 straight years." Or something like that.
  • Al Bundy
    ernest_t_bass;1412440 wrote:I like Indiana's rule. I don't know it exactly, but it's something along the line of, "You make it to state tourney (final 4) 2 straight years, you move up a division for 2 straight years." Or something like that.
    That would hurt us at Massillon. We make the final four often, we just can't win any big games.
  • skank
    Al Bundy;1412432 wrote:You tell him skank. We were very close to being winners a few times. We are very proud of our moral victories here in Massillon.


    Hey, what else can ya do? Our coach doesn't own a home that he can rent for 5 months every year, or have 7 counties he can pick and choose from.

    As I said before, we'll see now where these kids come from.
  • skank
    Al Bundy;1412447 wrote:That would hurt us at Massillon. We make the final four often, we just can't win any big games.


    Relax there fellow Tiger, as I stated earlier, we'll figure something out. I'm thinking they'll look at parochial school procedures concerning recr....er, transfers. All will be well.
  • Al Bundy
    skank;1412448 wrote:Hey, what else can ya do? Our coach doesn't own a home that he can rent for 5 months every year, or have 7 counties he can pick and choose from.

    As I said before, we'll see now where these kids come from.

    Here is a list of the kids that came in for a tryout at our combine. Our coach has many counties to choose from this year.
    http://insider.espn.go.com/blog/ncfrecruiting/midwest/post/_/id/9597/ohio-sparq-all-combine-team
  • queencitybuckeye
    skank;1412393 wrote:Your math shows that one of the smallest D1 schools in the state playing for 5 and winning 4 regional titles in the last 12 years is not successful? Hmm. so much for that private education.

    What I like about this proposal is that we will finally see, in print, the kinds of numbers the parochials are dealing with. Unless of course they expand their practices of renting apartments near their High Schools.
    How pathetic has a once-storied program become when their fans brag about week 13 appearances?
  • Sonofanump
    sherm03;1412369 wrote:Are there schools that cut kids? I'm being serious. I've never known of a high school to cut kids from their football team. But maybe that's just the schools around Youngstown.
    Even if no cuts are made in football, how do they know how many kids will be on the team for the year and what kids will open-enroll for the school district.