New Competitive Balance Proposal

• coyotes22

  

  Summa;1007512 wrote:And you skank (very fitting screen name btw) are a Massillon supporter and have zero credibility on this issue since Massillon is statewide open enrollment, has had too many big time starters from outside of Massillon on their teams over the years for me to even count, and has been in trouble with the OHSAA for recruiting in the past. Also, the school that built a big time college indoor football facility for what purpose, the purpose of recruiting, I mean, "attracting" outside of the district kids to come play football for Massillon. Massillon schools better seriously start to worry a lot more about academics than their football team. Out of 20 high schools in the Canton area (Stark County) that play football, Massillon ranked a lowly 17th on the 2010 OGT barely ahead of McKinley and Alliance with Timken bringing up the rear. While about 90% of those "cheating" private schools ranked from the top 1% to the top 25% on the OGT in 2010. They must be recruiting smart athletes.

  Actually, its even bigger than pro football team practice facilities.
  
  And do you know the purpose? Or are you assuming?
• skank

  

  Mooney44Cards;1007567 wrote:So, lets make this clear again......what are the private schools doing that the public schools cannot do?

  
  
  Renting their own homes to out of state athletes.
• Summa

  coyotes22;1007571 wrote:#1- If Massillon is such a ****ty school, why would ANY good athletes come here?
  
  #2- If we do get, as you say. "tons of stud football players from outside of Massillon for years upon years",wouldnt we be playing for a championship or at least the region, every year?

  1. Because they think it is ticket to a BCS scholarship. Massillon is in the dumper academically, that is not a real secret.
  
  2. The private schools you accuse of getting studs from outside of their area are not playing in the state championship every year either. I.e. Massillon has had many more BCS DI recruits than Iggy over the last ten years. Iggy has great coach and smarter kids.
• sherm03

  

  skank;1007582 wrote:Renting their own homes to out of state athletes.

  That was a dumb move by Faust. He should have just gotten a "booster" to give the kid money for an apartment instead.
• coyotes22

  

  Summa;1007585 wrote:1. Because they think it is ticket to a BCS scholarship. Massillon is in the dumper academically, that is not real secret.
  
  2. The private schools you accuse of getting studs from outside of their area are not playing in the state championship every year either. I.e. Massillon has had many more BCS DI recruits than Iggy over the last ten years. Iggy has great coach and smarter kids.

  I didnt accuse anyone, of anything, ask anyone in this thread!!!! I never have. Ask sherm. I could give a ratsass about the pub vs priv thing. I wish Massillon would play the Iggy's, St. Ed Mooney, Ursuline whoever's every year.
  
  I was just asking a question.
• Summa

  skank;1007582 wrote:Renting their own homes to out of state athletes.

  Nope, that would be Massillon once again. Throw in giving the kids daddies nice jobs along with a house.
• coyotes22

  

  O goody, I feel like im back in time. Am I reading JJ's and BAC?!?!?! Could it be?!?!?!? :rolleyes:
• skank

  

  Summa;1007585 wrote:1. Because they think it is ticket to a BCS scholarship. Massillon is in the dumper academically, that is not a real secret.
  
  2. The private schools you accuse of getting studs from outside of their area are not playing in the state championship every year either. I.e. Massillon has had many more BCS DI recruits than Iggy over the last ten years. Iggy has great coach and smarter kids.

  
  
  Name the DI recruits, because I would challenge you on the fact that Massillon has had more.
• skank

  

  sherm03;1007586 wrote:That was a dumb move by Faust. He should have just gotten a "booster" to give the kid money for an apartment instead.

  
  
  But he didn't now, did he?
• skank

  

  Summa;1007588 wrote:Nope, that would be Massillon once again. Throw in giving the kids daddies nice jobs along with a house.

  
  
  I wonder what became of the family that Gerry 'the evictor' Faust booted out on their cans?
• skank

  

  queencitybuckeye;1005598 wrote:At least that approach would be honest, when what they've currently wanted to date has not been a level field, but one tilted in their direction.

  
  
  Which is the same thing you and the boys are fighting not to have to give up.
• skank

  

  Summa;1007585 wrote:1. Because they think it is ticket to a BCS scholarship. Massillon is in the dumper academically, that is not a real secret.
  
  2. The private schools you accuse of getting studs from outside of their area are not playing in the state championship every year either. I.e. Massillon has had many more BCS DI recruits than Iggy over the last ten years. Iggy has great coach and smarter kids.

  
  
  Thanks for telling us what, "they think". Dude, you've come on here and have been nothing but a blowhard, you don't even have 20 posts to date, and you're questioning MY credibility?
• coyotes22

  

  Summa;1007585 wrote:1. Because they think it is ticket to a BCS scholarship. Massillon is in the dumper academically, that is not a real secret.
  
  2. The private schools you accuse of getting studs from outside of their area are not playing in the state championship every year either. I.e. Massillon has had many more BCS DI recruits than Iggy over the last ten years. Iggy has great coach and smarter kids.

  You know how I know, you are just jealous of and hate Massillon? Look at highlighted words ^^^^^^
  
  You contradict yourself. We have so many BCS DI recruits, yet we are dumber than a box of rocks? Big time DI schools, dont take kids that are dumb
  
  I.E. see Erick Howard.
• Al Bundy

  coyotes22;1007641 wrote:You know how I know, you are just jealous of and hate Massillon? Look at highlighted words ^^^^^^
  
  You contradict yourself. We have so many BCS DI recruits, yet we are dumber than a box of rocks? Big time DI schools, dont take kids that are dumb
  
  I.E. see Erick Howard.

  That simply is a false statement. The academic requirements for athletes are less than non-athletes at the big time schools.
• coyotes22

  

  Al Bundy;1007656 wrote:That simply is a false statement. The academic requirements for athletes are less than non-athletes at the big time schools.

  So Howard just turned down all the DI offers? :rolleyes:
• skank

  

  The only D Howard will see is cell block D.
• sherm03

  

  skank;1007636 wrote:Which is the same thing you and the boys are fighting not to have to give up.

  This is where you are completely off base.
  
  I cannot speak for anyone else, but I would have absolutely no problem with a multiplier being put in place. However, if we are out for "fairness," that multiplier needs to affect open enrollment schools the same way it affects private schools. Which is why I've proposed a number of times what I feel to be a "fair" solution in distinguishing feeder schools for each high school and counting kids from outside of those schools as 2 or 1.5 and those from the feeder schools as 1.
  
  But you only choose what you want to read. And you ignore stuff like that. And you instead just keep posting rumors about Faust and this family that he evicted to rent out a house to some football player. Keep on preaching skank. It is pretty damn entertaining.
• Al Bundy

  coyotes22;1007667 wrote:So Howard just turned down all the DI offers? :rolleyes:

  http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=4781264
• coyotes22

  

  blah,,,, thats 2 years old!!!
• sherm03

  

  coyotes22;1007587 wrote:I didnt accuse anyone, of anything, ask anyone in this thread!!!! I never have. Ask sherm. I could give a ratsass about the pub vs priv thing. I wish Massillon would play the Iggy's, St. Ed Mooney, Ursuline whoever's every year.
  
  I was just asking a question.

  I can attest to this.
• Bigdogg

  sherm03;1007709 wrote:This is where you are completely off base.
  
  I cannot speak for anyone else, but I would have absolutely no problem with a multiplier being put in place. However, if we are out for "fairness," that multiplier needs to affect open enrollment schools the same way it affects private schools. Which is why I've proposed a number of times what I feel to be a "fair" solution in distinguishing feeder schools for each high school and counting kids from outside of those schools as 2 or 1.5 and those from the feeder schools as 1.
  
  But you only choose what you want to read. And you ignore stuff like that. And you instead just keep posting rumors about Faust and this family that he evicted to rent out a house to some football player. Keep on preaching skank. It is pretty damn entertaining.

  I think your idea has a flaw because not all open enrollment areas should be treated the same. Ft Recovery and all of its feeder schools are very different than a school located in Columbus even though both may be "statewide open enrollment" The same is true for a private school located in a rural area. That's why I suggested using the census to define urban areas.
• Bigdogg

  Summa;1007561 wrote:You must be really busy at work in whatever public school district you are the AD or coach. Why would I start a tired thread on a issue that is going nowhere anytime soon. You can pretty much take that to the bank.

  So you don't like what I am saying and now you are going to personally attack me? I appreciate your concern for my work habits but since I am not a public employee and I am my own boss, why don't you mind your own business? If you have nothing else to post but insults go someplace else.
• sherm03

  

  Bigdogg;1008723 wrote:I think your idea has a flaw because not all open enrollment areas should be treated the same. Ft Recovery and all of its feeder schools are very different than a school located in Columbus even though both may be "statewide open enrollment" The same is true for a private school located in a rural area. That's why I suggested using the census to define urban areas.

  The point of my idea is if there is an open enrollment school that has a lot of kids that come in from out of the area, it should affect their total. If there is a small private school in a rural area, they are probably only getting kids from the private feeder grade school. It would actually benefit those schools because they would not be penalized just because they fall into either the open enrollment or private classification. My whole gripe is that I don't think schools should be penalized JUST because they are private, or JUST because they are open enrollment. What matters to me is where your students are coming from. If you are only getting kids from your feeder school(s), you should not be forced to move up at all. But if you are an open enrollment school and you have a lot of kids coming from outside your school district, that should not count any less than a private school.
  
  I do think though there would be some issues with feeder schools that are "on the border." For example, in Youngstown, St. Christine 8th graders usually split up between Mooney, Ursuline, and Canfield. It would be tough to designate that school as a specific high schools feeder school.
• Bigdogg

  To the people on here that want to turn this into a pissing match about Massillon or any of the privates take it somewhere else please. I was hoping to discuss how the system could be fixed.
  
  I really don't see any way to make changes at the D-1 level other than creating an smaller open division and let everyone "recruit" the best students they can get, a sort of Katie bar the door approach. Any school with 700 plus students should be able to overcome any obstetricals placed in front of them. They say that everything from the college level comes down to the high school level. As you can see with all of the issues the NCAA has had with "additional benefits", sport agents, and down right payoffs, there is no way in hell to control boosters or friends of the program.
• fish82

  

  skank;1007506 wrote:Or, we could call it, cheaters and.... ....Publics.

  Nah. Winners & Whiners is more apropos.